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[Plotinus]

Spoiler: Boonskiies

Bbmolla

: +225 +?397 =405 +?406 +1831 =3271
Boon likes Bbmolla

Bulba

: =3820 =6090 -6236 =?6332 =-?6352 =-?6354 -?=6355 v-6359 u-6360
Boon was neutral to Bulba through most of the game, then investigated him because he misremembered the reflexive jailkeeper thing, voted then immediately unvoted.

Drixx

: v394 -395 -398 u407 -v528 u701 -?+701 -1831 -1929 =3271 -6236 +6272 +6273 =?6332 +6341 +6351
Boon was negative to drixx for most of the game, then investigated Drixx and is now defending him.

Oranje

: =225 v-407 -=408 -=409 -410 u528 =3800 -3950 =3976 =3977 =3978 v4059 u4217 -6134 -6341 -6359 -6361
Boon has been negative towards Oranje throughout the whole game.

Green alive

:

Chrivi

: =6249
Boon has barely interacted with Chrivi.

Green dead

:

Copper

: v393 u394 =528 =1170 =2906 =3735 +=3960
Boon voted copper then immediately unvoted copper, and after that was neutral/postive towards copper.

Deathfisaro

: =402 -?532 =540 +4016 +4214 +4217 +4221 +4225 +5076 +5584 +5600 +5611 +5717 +5718 +5720 +6090 +6134
Boon was a little negative towards Death very early on, then claimed an innocent on death and defended him thereafter.

House

: v-701 -762 u=850
Boon voted house early on, then changed his mind.

Lihin

: v2954
Boon hopped on the Lihin wagon pretty opportunistically. (This was one of his few opportunistic votes).

Lucian

: -?397
Boon was a little negative to Lucian early on then ignored him.

Magua

: +?397
Boon was a little positive to Magua early on then ignored him.

Marquis

: -?397 -v1172 u1929
Boon was a little negative towards Marquis, then voted and later unvoted.

Titus

: =2953 =4010 =?4011 =?4012 =4209 =?4211 -4214 -v4217 -=4221 -=4225 u5315 =5717 =5718 =5720 =5781
Boon was consisently neutral to negative about Titus and voted her a few times.

Toon

: +1172 =?1429
Boon was positive towards Toon but didn't interact much with them.

Trouser

: =3950
Boon was neutral to Trousers.

Blue:
Elusive:

=397 =400 =5584 v5600
Boon was neutral to Elusive and then hopped on the wagon at the end. Boon never interacted with Peregrine at all.

Orange:
Vonflare

: -528 -?532 -v1008 =1010 u1172 -1831 v5315
Boon was negative towards vonflare the whole game and voted him a few times.

Vyse

: =1170 =1831
Boon was neutral towards Vyse and coahed him a little.

Red:
Narninian

: =3735 =3965
Boon was neutral towards Narninian and never interacted with Pirate.

His response in 1170 to Vyse about copper really sticks out in hindsight since we know that Copper was Green and Vyse was Orange, but if Boon were Orange then I cannot think of any sane reason for him to have made this post in public instead of in their private thread (I don't remember if they have daytalk or not but it's not that hard to save the thought in a text file for when a thread unlocks.) So while it looks bad in retrospect that he was coaching scum about copper it doesn't make sense for them to be on the same team, and from a tactics perspective I'm not sure it makes sense for different scum teams to being trying to work together so early on day 1.

1172 is weird too. He's voting Marquis because Marquis left Boonskiies off the list of people who should be policy-vigged for lurking. I mean, he was right that he belonged on that list and I just can't see the motivation here.

3735 is also really jumping out at me. Narninian was expressing surprise that copper/vyse died. Boon says "I'm surprised copper died too..." I'm totally reading this as "I'm not surprised that vyse died". This is also Boon's first interaction with Red and he only had a little bit of neutral interaction with Blue early on (~3300 posts ago). I'm inclined to read this as a slip.

tl;dr: Very little interaction with Red or Blue factions. Never voted against red. After reading through the ISO and making these notes, I was expecting his voting to look more opportunistic than it did. Take a look at the latest coloured votecounts in 6363: even though he's perpetually behind on the game, he doesn't just hop onto whichever wagon is largest. He's more likely to start a wagon instead. It looks more like he catches up, throws his vote into the wind based on (often incomplete) impressions of the last couple pages without regard for who everyone else is voting.

From 4016 onwards all of his posts are in defense of people he's cleared with his cop skill. I'm sure that he's not orange. I still like Drixx's case against him in 6204. I think there is a smallish chance he's blue and a largish chance he's red.

@Bbmolla regarding 6470 and 6473: Drixx's case was basically that Boon is really a mafia rolecop, so on night1 or whatever he rolecopped Death to find out what role he had, and then he crafted his fakeclaim based on that, and he roleclaimed out of nowhere when there was no pressure on him because he had to claim before Death did for his plan to work.

Admittedly this requires him to be more organised that we have evidence for but copper in 429 writes "@Boon You are not getting away with your VI routine this game as you use it when you are scum as well."

Vonflare said that his team got a rolecop in 5469 but he could have been trolling. But vonflare was orange and I think Boon was not orange because he was coaching Vyse in public and I couldn't figure out why he wouldn't do that in the orange private thread instead.

Ugh. Verdict: still not sure but probably mafia.

[Plotinus]

Spoiler: Brantz

Drixx

: v40 u94 -109 +506 -?=697 -?1568 -2058 -+3952 -4260 -v4267 -4870 -u=4904 =5063 =-?5118 =5238 =5587 -5700 +5712 +6059
RVS with Drixx, is mostly negative towards Drixx throughout the game but is civil towards him and is now townreading him largely due to

Boon

I think.

Oranje

: +206 =506 +782 -2859 +2955 =3952 =5457 -6059 -6232 -6284
Was positive towards

Oranje

in the beginning but has been scumreading him for a while.

BBmolla

: +260 +261 =274 =544 +782 =1035 =1568 +=3952 =5868 =6059
Has been positive towards

BBmolla

for most of the game, though I think he's neutral on him now.

Plotinus

: -311 -518 =782 -1568 =2436 =2449 -?4267 -4904 -vu5063 -v6059 =6198
Has consistently disliked my slot, but I think this is mostly my slot's fault (a mixture of me and my predecessor both playing badly)

Boon

: =527 =533 +782 -3952 +5587 +5703 +5704 +6059
Was negative towards

Boon

in the middle but has been townreading him since the innocent on

Deathfisaro

.

Bulba

: =1568 =3952 =5118 =5578 =5702 +6059 +6284
Neutral towards this slot through most of the game and now is townreading him.

Green living:

ChriVi

: -2058 -3952 =4267 +6059 =6232
Was negative towards this slot before they were confirmed town, now is positive neutral towards them albeit not really happy with the way they've been playing

Green dead:

Marquis

: -v177 -200 -260 -274 -280 -303 =311 =318 -=320 =323 =506 -?518 u+782 =972 +=1568 =2436

Copper

: +260 =506 +782 =972 +2058

Trouser

: +260 =318 =320 =323 +782 +1568 +2058 +3952 +4267 -5868 +6008 +6059 +6199 +6232

Deathfisaro

: =536 =544 +782 +1568 -3952 -v4260 =u4267 =5365 -5700 =5702 +5703 =5704 =5744 +6059

Lucian

: -782 -=972 -=1033 =1035 =1037 =1038 -=1040 =1155 -=1330 -1568 -2058 -2449 =3952 +=5118

Magua

: -972 -1040 -1330 +3952

Jackel

: =1040 -2058

Titus

: -=1040 =2060 -3952 -4260 -4267 +4904 +5279 =5578 =5700 -5868 =6059

Cerberus

: +2058 -3952 -5233 -5238 -5240 -5256

House

: -2859 +4260 =+4904 +5063 =5067 =5068 +5070 =5160

Lihin

: -2955 =3952

Toon

: =4267 =5065
Lazy to explain these one by one, but basically sometimes he pushes against green group people but there's also a reason that's clearly explained and generally they consult about it and come to some understanding.

Blue:

Peregrine

: v94 u177 -4922 -v5712

Elusive

: =206 +260 +?=782 +1568 =5063 =5118 -v5568
A little positive towards

Elusive

early on but overall negative towards blue and voted both of them.

Orange:

Vonflare

: -95 +?311 -?525 -v782 -1040 -1155 -1330 -u2058 -2859 v-3952 -4267 -v5256 -5279 =5384 -5457

Vyse

: -260 -?782 -=1040 -1568 -1821 -v2058 -2859 =4267 =5063
Has been consistently negative towards orange with only a little positive very early on.

Red:

Pirate

: =200 =513 =782 +=972 -2859

Narninian

: -2058 +?5365 =6009 =6059
Was neutral towards red, seemed to believe

Narninian

about his role and seemed happy with

Pirate

early on too.

Things that stood out:
2859 "I agree that we should shoot

pika

today. If he flips scum I think

Oranje

,

Vyse

or

Vonflare

. If he flips town lynch

ozgin

." Of these, 3 have flipped scum,

Oranje

is still unflipped, and

ozgin

makes sense here because he was the one claiming the guilty on

pika

. This feels prescient. In a good way.

tl;dr: I like how civil

Brantz

has been towards everybody. I see a lot of genuine scumhunting here. His pushes against players make a lot of sense. He is good at explaining why he thinks the things that he thinks. In spite of having a role that removes him for large portions of the game, he is always caught up and on point. He knows what's going on, has relevant opinions, and has been asset to this town. This is in sharp contrast to

Boon

.

Brantz is town

[Boonskiies]

OC is not mafia.

[Boonskiies]

Anyways, last post for the night, I think.

OC should not commute.
ChriVi should target me.

Boon should target one of OC, myself, or Plotinus.

This is a scum slip. I had targeted him before to a no result. His claim was reflexive jailkeeper. I made an ascetic theory earlier.

Also...

Titus mentioned that these were the people on Lil wagon that hadn't flipped, and was frightening.

Boonskiies

,

deathfisaro

, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth,

Narninian

,

Drixx

Mm...BC's name is brought up as unknown again...interesting.

I believe he's scum with an Ascetic modifier, which explains my No Result the other night.

VOTE: Bulbasaur

Now that OC is confirmed not mafia...


VOTE: Bulbasaur

[BRantz]

Anyways, last post for the night, I think.

OC should not commute.
ChriVi should target me.

Boon should target one of OC, myself, or Plotinus.

This is a scum slip. I had targeted him before to a no result. His claim was reflexive jailkeeper. I made an ascetic theory earlier.

Why is that a scum slip? I read that as BC thinking you would be able to investigate them since ChriVi would also be targeting them?

[Plotinus]

Is the reflexive jailkeep first come first serve or is there a specific order it goes in? If there's a specific order, then perhaps doctor will always be jailkept over cop, or visa versa, so if cops weren't able to work before (Because they were always getting jailkept) then it's unlikely they will succeed in the future. If it's first come first serve and ChriVi is the first to target Bulba, then there's the cop should work.

[Boonskiies]

well, i was given a No Result when I checked him a few nights ago, and he said he should be checked again. I don't know why, as an honest town reflexive jailkeeper, he would have said that. I believe he's ascetic.

[Boonskiies]

and scum.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Sooo I'm alive. That's nice.

Who do we lynch?

did ANYONE actually respond to my request to primarily read Plotinus' post on how he came to view me as town? Like I said originally, it gut-pings me as town because its a level of inspection into a player that I don't quite see having a point for plot-scum to call us town. Also because I feel like no one has really been looking at his posts, or at least I haven't noticed much in regards to opinions on plot beyond "He's in the lynchpool". If I missed anything more than that, please tell me.

I also need to heckle Venus about this because she doesn't have a glowing opinion of Plotinus, so...

I lied about commuting, I targeted narn.
He was a redirector, plain, and not a godfather.

So he likely wasn't lying about his redirects. I'd certainly believe his redirect from BB; after all, if Berlin is the nuke, which is a delayed kill, then an ability that puts the day faster is always helpful.

This is a scum slip. I had targeted him before to a no result. His claim was reflexive jailkeeper. I made an ascetic theory earlier.

...The sheer amount of obliviousness to make this statement is just immense.

If you want to lose your stupid points, boon, you can point out to the class where you're wrong.

the reflexive jailkeep first come first serve or is there a specific order it goes in?

Again, why would this be in a specific order? It would be first come, first serve, most likely.

well, i was given a No Result when I checked him a few nights ago, and he said he should be checked again. I don't know why, as an honest town reflexive jailkeeper, he would have said that. I believe he's ascetic.

I am going to challenge you to read my ISO (probably page 2 since it's probably 2-3 pages long), and I want you to search for "JK".

Please come back with contextual results. Otherwise shut up and get to researching.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

-Ivy

[BBmolla]

OC is not mafia.

k

i dont fucking know then.

[BBmolla]

OC SK and Bulba mafia?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

No to the latter, and at best OC is WW.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Like, wouldn't BRantz fit more as an SK than OC?

[BBmolla]

I don't think Brantz can be scum due to role.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I suppose I can kinda buy OC being some kind of non-town role with the amnesiac...kinda. But I really don't feel like two player-removal abilities like BRantz and OC have are both town. Maybe they are, and I'm speaking from a past context, but from where I stand, one or the other must be scum or at least non-town. And since at least 2 of the three teams have 3 players (unless devour was some kind of venge kill like elusive said, or something), I don't see where an SK fits in.

[Drixx]

Being able to commute forever seems way more game breaking than a limited shot self removal.

[BBmolla]

Agreed

[ChriVi]

VOTE: Plotinus

Boonskiies, his jailkeep is 1 time per night reflexive. Doctor either has priority over cop /or/ it's first come first serve. Either way I submit my night action almost immediately so...
Not a scum slip at all.

[Plotinus]

the reflexive jailkeep first come first serve or is there a specific order it goes in?

Again, why would this be in a specific order? It would be first come, first serve, most likely.

This is the thing that I was thinking of when I asked that question: Natural_Action_Resolution

Boonskiies, his jailkeep is 1 time per night reflexive. Doctor either has priority over cop /or/ it's first come first serve. Either way I submit my night action almost immediately so...
Not a scum slip at all.

that's what I was thinking. (If I were in ChriVi's situation I would probably have submitted my night action in the daytime or in twilight just to make sure I was first in)

Also, I noticed when rereading the past few pages that before Bulba mentioned that Boon should investigate Bulba, Oranje had also mentioned that Boon could reinvestigate Bulba.

[ChriVi]

Anyways, last post for the night, I think.

OC should not commute.
ChriVi should target me.

Boon should target one of OC, myself, or Plotinus.

This is a scum slip. I had targeted him before to a no result. His claim was reflexive jailkeeper. I made an ascetic theory earlier.

Also...

Titus mentioned that these were the people on Lil wagon that hadn't flipped, and was frightening.

Boonskiies

,

deathfisaro

, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth,

Narninian

,

Drixx

Mm...BC's name is brought up as unknown again...interesting.

I believe he's scum with an Ascetic modifier, which explains my No Result the other night.

VOTE: Bulbasaur

Now that OC is confirmed not mafia...


VOTE: Bulbasaur

I need BC. He's last lynch. Move your vote, please! <3

[ChriVi]

the reflexive jailkeep first come first serve or is there a specific order it goes in?

Again, why would this be in a specific order? It would be first come, first serve, most likely.

This is the thing that I was thinking of when I asked that question: Natural_Action_Resolution

Boonskiies, his jailkeep is 1 time per night reflexive. Doctor either has priority over cop /or/ it's first come first serve. Either way I submit my night action almost immediately so...
Not a scum slip at all.

that's what I was thinking. (If I were in ChriVi's situation I would probably have submitted my night action in the daytime or in twilight just to make sure I was first in)

Also, I noticed when rereading the past few pages that before Bulba mentioned that Boon should investigate Bulba, Oranje had also mentioned that Boon could reinvestigate Bulba.

I wish you weren't scum Plotinus cause it makes me happy that you look these things up.

BC, I've never seen a "first come first serve" way of resolving night actions.

[Oranje Crush]

VOTE: Plotinus
That's clever Chrivi, I'm assuming the mafia targeted you and failed due to the reflexive JK. This proves BC's not an as ascetic.

[Boonskiies]

I like how BC ignored my post. Nice. Scum is scum. I guess oc could still be werewolf.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Plotinus
That's clever Chrivi, I'm assuming the mafia targeted you and failed due to the reflexive JK. This proves BC's not an as ascetic.

How does it prove that?