Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

tbone is probably town

Now care to explain why ns is still in your "scum block" after grey cleared him?

[shos]

I think it's time to massclaim, honestly. There are a ton of claims out on the table already.

this.

[T-Bone]

Shos showing off his confirmbias once again. I was beginning to miss it. I mean I explained why I blocked Rhinox but completely gloss over it so you can call me scum some more.

[shos]

these pages are just pointless arguments. not going to start responding to everything. I'll read till the end and comment then.

[shos]

Vote Count 3.4

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (3): GreyICE, Wisdom, notscience
GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone

Not Voting (4): Cephrir, Iecerint, TierShift, xRECKONERx

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-51	0
GreyICE	-48	0
Iecerint	-50	0
notscience	-55	0
shos	-57	0
T-Bone	-48	0
TierShift	-50	0
Wisdom	-1,000,049	-1,000,000
xRECKONERx	+999,942	1,000,000

ok, whoever controls the points and/or votes needs to talk

[shos]

I blocked Rhinox last night because I was afraid my reads were way off this game. I'm not 100% Grey is scum either and I use absolute language to try and reassure myself my read is correct. I'm not a very confident town player. I'm pretty good at pretending to be town and looking town, but not so good at actually being town. It doesn't help when you, when Shos, when greyice has an insult at me every third post. We're in a fucking game and you're threatening to blacklist me if I flip town. What in the actual fuck? Players can't have a bad game? yeah I fucked up a bit this game, shit happens. But every time I try to fucking reach out to you a few posts later you go back to shooting me down so I don't know what exactly you expect of me at this point. If you want to lynch me for real that's fine, but you're actively trying to lose the game for the town by dismissing me because you can't even consider that you are wrong. So yes, you are playing bad.

this post is fucking bullshit and AtE.

"I was afraid sooooo I went completely proscum with my night action" lol

To me, this is how it looks like. You claimed roleblocked, a 99% scum role in my experience(actually 100 - I never saw a town one). You claimed two night actions, both are completely illogical; one blocks a claimed mailman, and the other - a person who was widely townread(or at least, 0% to be lynched), who coincidentally died that ngiht. After you KNEW supposedly that there is a tracker in the game, you were afraid to have been tracked, so you claimed to have targetted the person who you truly targetted, in case you were. BUT, you didn't block him - you killed him. it's really that easy. it's much MUCH wierder to believe that you suddenly realize you were off, so you blocked someone who you did NOT scumread, and then come day you went BACK to your previous thoughts.

[shos]

Now Iec, why the hell do you think T-Bone is town?

I don't. Where are you getting that?

I think T-Bone is the least likely player in this game to be scum.

The actual fuck, Iecerint.

The actual fuck

Honestly, with catches like these, how can anyone think Grey is scum

[Wisdom]

After you KNEW supposedly that there is a tracker in the game, you were afraid to have been tracked, so you claimed to have targetted the person who you truly targetted, in case you were. BUT, you didn't block him - you killed him. it's really that easy

yeah because scum would totally have tbone, the most suspected person, carry out the kill

[Wisdom]

shos you are scum, im a fool to have believed otherwise. This aint a town tunnel.

[shos]

Iece is riding the fence so hard he's starting to bleed.

This is painfully true, actually. starting a bus right here, it seems

I feel like Shos is sticking by his obviously bad read on purpose because he is scum.

of course

Ceph gets a lot of secondary and tertiary scumreads and that's sometimes the sign of scum.

I don't even know about NotSci and Reck.

Ceph votes are worrying me because he is VLA; but also, nobody seems to have anything scummy to point out about him, and everyone who says he is scum have bigger fish, supposedly. This can be scum trying to keep a way to attack town later or just scum bussing lightly or distancing; so ceph can be both scum or town. either way he's NOT today's lynch, no fucking way.

I think it's fitting that Boner doesn't have a read on Reck and NS. fencesitting and avoiding taking a stance on your buddies is something I do all the time as scum, and this fits perfectly with my current theory of {NS,Tbone}+someone of {reck, Iec}.

[Wisdom]

either way he's NOT today's lynch, no fucking way.

yeah because he's your fucking buddy.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: ceph

im lynching nobody else.

[shos]

That's 700 posts ago, prior to T-Bone blocking Rhinox and Cabd flipping town.

T-Bone being scum basically requires Cephrir scum from my perspective, so the chance of him being scum is pretty low as it excluded lots of other potential pairings.

Walk me through this, how does T-Bone scum require cephrir scum?

My thinking yesterday was that if T-Bone was scum, he was scum who had cleared Cephrir and Eddie/Wisdom. I didn't think that happened (e.g., PoE gets to be a thing), so I decided that T-Bone was town.

Hence, if T-Bone is scum, I think he actually cleared a scumbuddy. Of them, I think Cephrir is more likely.

Cabd flipping town and T-Bone continuing to use his roleblock poorly (plus making an error about his actual N1 target) is consistent with T-Bone being scum (the former just because it means I reevaluate stuff).

Though, he erred on the roleblock part rather than the tracker part IIRC, so that isn't quite as solid as I would like it to be. But maybe still solid because he fabricated the RESULT rather than the TARGET in such a case.

Do you realize he cleared them of making the N1 kill, only? it's not a cop. it's a track.

but what do you mean when you say that him having erred on the RB and not Track? I didn't follow the line of thought

[shos]

Cabd flipping town and T-Bone continuing to use his roleblock poorly (plus making an error about his actual N1 target) is consistent with T-Bone being scum (the former just because it means I reevaluate stuff).

Re: using the roleblock poorly, I think T-Bone felt he couldn't lie about his target today due to his knowledge of the presence of the amnesiac tracker.

Re: the corollary "Why wouldn't scum just lie about the silly target?"

this is exactly what I said above ^^^. I'm liking this guy right now.

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.6

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (2): GreyICE, notscience
GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone
Cephrir (1): Wisdom

Not Voting (4): Cephrir, Iecerint, TierShift, xRECKONERx

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-	0
GreyICE	-	0
Iecerint	-	0
notscience	-	0
shos	-	0
T-Bone	-	0
TierShift	-	0
Wisdom	-	-1,000,000
xRECKONERx	-	1,000,000

[shos]

I don't say cleared as an absolute, I say kind of clear because of the dichotomy of none nightactioned scum doing night kills. This point is rendered moot if scum has a strongman or ninja though, for example. I only know what I did and what maybe the result of those actions were. Heck, maybe I was roleblocked on night 1. I don't think I'd receive notification of it.

I definitely agree that your reporting of the N1 content was consistent with you being town. That's why I thought you were town yesterday.

The issue becomes that if you're scum, then you did whatever you did for a reason.

so work with me here a sec.
if you were scum and got a track result. you have two options:
1 - you don't share it - and nothing happens until tracker dies/claims.
2 - you claim it. it does NOT clear anyone truly, and you get the cred for having told the town about it.

this is fully wifom imo.
I don't think he is fully fabricating it; if he is, then in a massclaim he kinda ties himself to a buddy, and that's a dangerous decision to take so early in the game as start of D2.

if you were town and got a track result. you have two options:
1 - you don't share it - nobody knows anything about it, but you know that there's a tracker in the game. if one claim appears of that - you can confirm. if the target claims something that negates it - you can counterclaim. worst thing that happens - you die before sharing - not that big of a deal since it's not truly clearing anyone, and odds are that others can confirm existence of said tracker too, later in the game.
2 - you share it. scum now know there's a tracker, and they need to be careful; they also search for who that is. town and scum know that X has/has no ability, but you don't know shit about it.



so the way I see it, if town, you would want to NOT claim that result, and if scum, you WOULD want that.
now, it may be true that Tbone has just misused his powers and info and is actually town. but when I combine the above with the claim, timing of the claim, content of the claim and night actions, and general play in this game - I'm really sold on T-bone being scum.

if you have any counterarguments, I welcome them. I have 2.5 hours here now.

[shos]

Btw, talking about claims,

MOD: what is a "Loud" doctor?

[Wisdom]

Loud

[shos]

tbone is probably town

Now care to explain why ns is still in your "scum block" after grey cleared him?

I didn't yet read everything. NS is not to be touched now, yes.

After you KNEW supposedly that there is a tracker in the game, you were afraid to have been tracked, so you claimed to have targetted the person who you truly targetted, in case you were. BUT, you didn't block him - you killed him. it's really that easy

yeah because scum would totally have tbone, the most suspected person, carry out the kill

hmm.
Well, I might be confbiasing as Tbone said, but I can find you a dozen explanations for this, lol. as Tbone has repeated many times, him being lynched today is super likely. scum are probably not stupid and understood this, and decided to bus him today for towncred. this is what *I* would do; I mean honestly, I cannot imagine anyone else being lynched today over Tbone - and I'm not talking reads here, I'm talking about how the town currently is likely to go.

So, considering that, sending him to make the kill makes sense. There are lots of other possibilities, btw - but I think what I said is most likely.

shos you are scum, im a fool to have believed otherwise. This aint a town tunnel.

uh. what made you change your mind? intrigue me.
Also intrigue me about why Tbone is probtown? them 180s...

either way he's NOT today's lynch, no fucking way.

yeah because he's your fucking buddy.

have you read the game prior to your replacement? iirc, ceph tunneled the fuck out of me gamestart.

VOTE: ceph

im lynching nobody else.

is there any way I'm successful in redirecting a Wisdom tunnel?

Loud

thanks.

[shos]

can we use the info of who Rhinox targetted..?

[Wisdom]

So, considering that, sending him to make the kill makes sense. There are lots of other possibilities, btw - but I think what I said is most likely.

No, what you said makes no sense. Scum don't send their most suspicious to carry out the kill. Bussing is irrelevant, what's important is the kill to succeed.

[shos]

why would it not succeed? will he roleblock himself? lol

[Wisdom]

Your tunnel on Tbone (and ns, but you are forced to drop that now) is way too fucking shallow. You are better than this.

[Wisdom]

why would it not succeed? will he roleblock himself? lol

The town can have its own roleblocker, or a jailkeeper, or anything.

Also: You are arguing that scum want to bus Tbone - then why the fuck does Tbone care about getting tracked to Rhinox? Since scum would WANT that, in your twisted logic?

[Wisdom]

You are forcing conclusions that make no sense left and right.