We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Oranje Crush]

Ivy why are you so dense? You believe Boon's claim and he cleared me, but you put me on the primary lynch choices? You make it really hard to take you seriously sometimes. Here I am the excited n00b to play with people I've heard legends about and then they turn out to be completely stubborn and unwilling to do something so simple as update prior assumptions. Sometimes I want to kiss you and sometimes I want to just and sometimes I want to smack you, and it sort of just seems random what I'm going to feel like when I read your posts.

I've

never

seen the slot as scummy, but at this point I believe every single player in the game except me has, and that seems like either really bad reading on my part or really bad play on the OC group's part. I'm going to assume I just missed the read:

VOTE: Oranje Crush

This is a bizarre/shitty pivot.

[Oranje Crush]

Also have we had a devour kill any of the nights that Brantz was out of the game?

brb checking that.

[Oranje Crush]

No, we haven't.

Brantz-SK would make a lot of sense b/c that power would be a lot more balanced as SK (relative to group-scum) and a lot more useful (relative to town)

Would also explain the lack of strong associatives, since SK plays pretty close to town)

[Oranje Crush]

Who does Boon not have mafia-innos on. I think {that group}+Brantz is what we're left with for scum.

[ChriVi]

UNVOTE:

Meh

[Drixx]

Ivy why are you so dense? You believe Boon's claim and he cleared me, but you put me on the primary lynch choices? You make it really hard to take you seriously sometimes. Here I am the excited n00b to play with people I've heard legends about and then they turn out to be completely stubborn and unwilling to do something so simple as update prior assumptions. Sometimes I want to kiss you and sometimes I want to just and sometimes I want to smack you, and it sort of just seems random what I'm going to feel like when I read your posts.

I've

never

seen the slot as scummy, but at this point I believe every single player in the game except me has, and that seems like either really bad reading on my part or really bad play on the OC group's part. I'm going to assume I just missed the read:

VOTE: Oranje Crush

This is a bizarre/shitty pivot.

You're right... that should have just been two posts. I'd much rather lynch Boon than you since I actually can make sense of a case for him being scum, even more so if I factor in prior experience with him.

I could kinda buy BRantz as SK but then I'm left wondering whether or not a 3/3/2/1 setup can be worked into two different 13-player games that are actually balanced. Since the Werewolves turned out to be a faction and not an SK, then me having unlimited BP is weak evidence in favor of a 3/2/8 setup possibly being balanced. I would assume both BP roles came from that game though because 8 town to 5 anti-town seems like a recipe for a really fast town loss.

Anyone particularly good at setup spec who can sort what we've got in a way that makes sense? That's the one place where I keep ending up with a mess on my whiteboard, as I'm not really sure what goes with what (aside from that me and the WW faction and the WW skeptic cop had to be in the same game, but that's 4-5 slots at most that I can group with any certainty).

[Oranje Crush]

9:3:1 and 9:2:2 is a possibility.

[Oranje Crush]

also BRO head is V/LA through next Sunday.

[Drixx]

The problem is that we saw two kill flavors yesterday and didn't kill scum. Given that we have killed two scum each from three different teams, we either have 3/3/2 or 3/2/2/1 in play right? I think the reason I was discounting SK is that where I come from the SK is compelled to kill as a general rule. From what I understand here, compulsive requirement on the SK is the exception instead of the rule, yeah? So Devour could be possibly be an SK who waited a really long time to start killing?

The timing of Devour showing up when it did (after the Werewolves lost two members) seems to me to make sense as a final Werewolf perhaps going berserk or something. Just kind of fits with the whole werewolf mythos, but that's a reach for making assumptions about setup spec.

[BRantz]

@BC: Why are we giving boon a pass today?

@OC: I understand you have to argue that I am more likely to be "scum" since people are creating a dichotomy where one of us is, and the other isn't, and for whatever reason there isn't a chance we both aren't, but your argument is that the devour nk hasn't happened on days I wasn't here and that is it? Really?

@Plot: Always think for yourself, never just let people tell you what to do, especially as town.

@ChriVi: Who do you think should be lynched today and why?

[Drixx]

Well ... a 3-shot ability to escape being lynch kind of makes sense for an SK in a large game. Not so sure it does in a smaller game where the town would presumably be decimated and end-gamed before the SK had to use all 3.

[ChriVi]

To be honest BRantz, I'm really being slung back on forth on who to lynch.

It should be OC, you, or Boon / Drixx honestly. Maybe BBmolla but meh.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 8.02

Oranje Crush (3)

- Plotinus, BBmolla, Drixx

Plotinus (1)

- Oranje Crush

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

Boonskiies

Not Voting (3)

: Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BRantz, ChriVi

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-14 23:05:07).

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Who does Boon not have mafia-innos on. I think {that group}+Brantz is what we're left with for scum.

Of those alive? us and maybe Plotinus.

Although that's only for MAFIA scum, not anything else.

No, we haven't.

Brantz-SK would make a lot of sense b/c that power would be a lot more balanced as SK (relative to group-scum) and a lot more useful (relative to town)

Would also explain the lack of strong associatives, since SK plays pretty close to town)

So how does BRantz-SK make a kill while he's removed from the game?

The timing of Devour showing up when it did (after the Werewolves lost two members) seems to me to make sense as a final Werewolf perhaps going berserk or something. Just kind of fits with the whole werewolf mythos, but that's a reach for making assumptions about setup spec.

This is why I suspected that it was a strongman kill. However, unless the last WW was so stupid as to not kill last night, that theory is debunked since no one except for whoever is the nuked kill is going to die.

@BC: Why are we giving boon a pass today?

If you want boon to keep investigating people, he gets a pass.

If not, then he's one of the lynches for today.

To be honest BRantz, I'm really being slung back on forth on who to lynch.

It should be OC, you, or Boon / Drixx honestly. Maybe BBmolla but meh.

I'm still kinda leaning toward Boon, with OC as my second option if we aren't going to lynch him.

Vote: Boonskiies

-Ivy

[Drixx]

If we have a lynch to spare, then it should be me or Boon. I think Boon is scum, but if I'm wrong and he's legit, then his results being confirmed {Excepting the Godfather edge case; Isn't Godfather frowned upon around here?} will be exceptionally helpful. Lynching me will show you all I was honest but won't confirm Boon. Lynching OC won't help with Boon either. I think I'm going to go with my theory. It still feels right.

VOTE: Boonskiies

[BBmolla]

But

Kuribo

[Drixx]

I <3 Kuribo but logically there is reason to question Boonskiies, and of all the lynch options, his death has the most upside if he's not scum. Feel free to make an argument for a better choice.

[BBmolla]

Argument: kuribo

[ChriVi]

Wait, Drixx... Wasn't boon hard defending you and saying you're town? And now you want him lynched?

Cool

VOTE: Boonskiies

[Drixx]

Wait, Drixx... Wasn't boon hard defending you and saying you're town? And now you want him lynched?

Cool

VOTE: Boonskiies

He did so after I made the case against him a couple twilights back. He claimed to have investigated me and gotten an innocent. That was what prompted Titus to further stretch disbelief by positing me as a godfather.

[BBmolla]

Wait, Drixx... Wasn't boon hard defending you and saying you're town? And now you want him lynched?

Cool

VOTE: Boonskiies

Why does this make you vote boon

[BRantz]

VOTE: Boonskiies

I think this is the best lynch for information today.

L-1

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

{Excepting the Godfather edge case; Isn't Godfather frowned upon around here?}

I wouldn't know. Maybe?

Argument: kuribo

While I suppose kuribo may be raging at us (or if not raging just being mad in general) for thinking about lynching boon, but boon has a few question marks with...not a lot of positives. FMPOV, if we want to go with the person with the least positive traits, boon's the person to go to, with OC as second, and then one of drixx or Plotinus.

I mean, I could just be forgetting something, but I feel like boon's only real level of contribution was around the time he claimed to be a skeptic cop and a couple times around when his investigations showed up as clears, and that was just to hard-defend, so.

Wait, Drixx... Wasn't boon hard defending you and saying you're town? And now you want him lynched?

Cool

VOTE: Boonskiies

Why does this make you vote boon

Actually, yeah, please answer that, ChriVi.

Out to my birthday dinner! (because I worked yesterday, which is my ACTUAL birthday)

-Ivy

[BBmolla]

We're gonna lose

Hope you fucks are right cause I don't want to face a confirmed town kuribo that we ignored

[ChriVi]

Voting someone despite them hard-defending you at this point in the game? Scum wouldn't do that. Makes me trust Drixx.

And I don't agree with kuribo that defending Drixx makes Boon town. Plus his gameplay is shit.