Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[ActionDan]

I'm going to be gambling this weekend so my activity is about to fall off a cliff. Just fyi

[ChannelDelibird]

Not going to vote yet because I'm a bit tired to be sure that it's the right play - will revisit quickly tomorrow and maybe talk to team-mates - but I think, if we trust mastin*, she's the play here rather than me. Accepting the caveat that scum may already or could very imminently narrow down either of our signs and render a lot of this a bit moot ... though protection wouldn't save me/TTH if scum really wanted us dead, a doctor who doesn't have to worry about matching sign could target one of us and, if scum really want me/TTH dead, they'd have to use up both Unmakes to force it through, which would give us another Night with only one nightkill (and another Night without an Alquin death). As long as we actually use both lynches this time, that would be a really welcome advantage.

*definitely an active question, I'm going back and forth

[Bulbazak]

I've been prodded. Sorry been a little busy. I'll get to this Sunday, I swear.

[Aronis]

Prod dodge!

[Shadoweh]

Or Aronis didn't use an action.

Or Aronis didn't use an action.

Then CDB should have gotten notice your target went nowhere as that is the site meta yet I believe CDB claimed no result.

This isn't how actions work in this game, and you should know this just by reading how Trace works. There's only notification if you receive a result, otherwise you receive nothing. I imagine if CDB looks at his role it's worded the same way.

I thought the boon would be a double-action, I'm disappointed. This is p cool too I guess. If it were a double-action I would have said Mastin. As is though, doctor is a guessing game and the scum have little reason not to submit multiple kills if they want to off CDB. It's probably a better idea for CDB's ridiculiously good role to have a proper chance to work. Also, Mastin is bulletproof anyways <_<

##Boon: Channeldelibirdy

Man, my secret plan backfired so much. I shipped a scummer here to get a secret hydra partner and all she'll say is that I'm bad for playing mafia. ;_;

[Shadoweh]

and, if scum really want me/TTH dead, they'd have to use up both Unmakes to force it through, which would give us another Night with only one nightkill

Reminder that scum have three Unmakes still, they're just restricted to targetting only two different people with them total.

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh, yeah. Balls. OK then.

Boon: ChannelDelibird

[ChannelDelibird]

Unless your role states otherwise, I will not distinguish between "no result", "roleblocked", and "did not match sign" for why a particular ability returns no result.

Can confirm that my role does not state otherwise.

[Titus]

VLA this weekend
DnD tonight, Client meeting and bimonthy Board Game meeting tomorrow.

CDB boonhammer sucks but I won't use my way or the highway as I think CDB is town.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 108 (Minor Day 2, VC 10)

Boon:

Target player automatically matches Sign for all abilities this Major Night.

(5)

ChannelDelibird:

singersigner, Oversoul, TellTaleHeart, Shadoweh, ChannelDelibird [L-4]
(2)

mastin2:

Titus, Cheetory6
(1)

TellTaleHeart:

Untrod Tripod
(1)

Oversoul:

Gammagooey

(8)

No Boon Vote:

Bulbazak, Deasvail, Formerfish, ActionDan, vezokpiraka, Espeonage, Aronis, mastin2

(Titus, singersigner, Oversoul, Cheetory6, TellTaleHeart, Untrod Tripod, Gammagooey, Shadoweh, ChannelDelibird)

With 17 players alive it's 9 to Boon. Minor Day One ends on Monday, May 4th at 8:00 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-04 20:00:00)

mastin2 is V/LA until May 4th.

[Gammagooey]

hey TTH can you say why you're town reading cdb so I can probably be less paranoid about him

cause the after he thought he was lynched stuff was very good but really that's the only reason i'm not still trying to kill him

[singersigner]

How much don't scum want CDB to have the boon right now.

[singersigner]

OK. Titus has been bothering me for a while now, and it seems like people have been skirting around commenting on her. I finally went to ISO her from when I replaced. Here's some scumTitus porn for everyone:

@Titus...what's the difference between this:

Two days until lynch 1 deadline.

If you're going to make a push on singer now is the time Gamma. I would prefer a singer lynch atm.

and this:

I guess I'll have to address it if no other wagons have formed by the time I get back later, singer ... do you have a particular post or two that best sum it up?

I did read your Shadoweh case btw, thought it was relatively unexciting despite my feelings on that slot.

My interpretation: Please make a better Shadoweh case so we can mislynch her.

Because those two comments seem to imply the same interpretation that you're only attributing to CDB's comment and not yours.

Also, since you never got around to doing this yesterday, could you indulge me with actually following up with this:

@Singer, I'll read your post more when I'm not pissed at you but no I don't see how you find someone reaching out to you as scummy especially when known town asked for that.

Also, also, why do you hate me on the AD wagon (like what about it do you hate) but vote him in the same post?

Also, also, also, could you comment on how you were so aware of Alquin's existence but not Viktor's? You specifically noted how his PM was in the first post...along with Viktor's. I'm also not sure how you knew about the risk of a higher KPN that you talk about twice, if you didn't explicitly read Viktor's role PM, as that was the only public way of knowing about it...

[Titus]

@Singer,

The difference there, is that I'm already persuaded before Gamma and trying to work with him. Nothing about his case on you was weak at all. Yet, you try to get someone to push harder on a case that you admit is weak. Rather than actually scumhunting the case to check logic or find the errors in it, you want CDB to post more content. It's easy as scum to sit in the shadows and take pot shots.

The context in the post was confusing. Of course I'm aware of the Vicktor role. Yet, you were speculating about me being partners with Victor. It's a meaningless statement akin to saying I'm scum. Yet, you were trying to devine some partnership from it. So yes, the question of "Who is Victor" is absolutely appropriate. I'm sure there's a few reasons why to read one PM and not the other, even if we supposed your fallacy. But how do you reach the conclusion that a) I

have not read

Vicktor's PM and that I'm scum? You should ask your buddies who are providing meta how likely it is for me to be scum and not be aware of

all

the ins an outs of the game. That's the only way scum!Titus wins. Hell, that's the only way intelligent scum win. So if you actually believe that I did not read Victor's role PM you should be clearing me, but you are not. (It should be clear that I

have read

that PM and that's not a reason to clear me at all but I'm only bringing it up to show a fallacy on Singer's part, namely what

she

should have concluded). When Gamma said that you're context was "baseless", that was actually being polite. I would have gone with choice words that I'm sure would do nothing more than piss people off rather than being productive.

Also, you absolutely are wrong about townblocks being anti-town in general. Townblocks serve a purpose to shut off mislynches. If there's a group of people all townreading each other, it forces scum to either a) discredit (as you have with me and Mastina) or b) buddy them or c) pray for rapid death of the townblock. I find it no coincidence that Mastina's pushed sequentially right after that.

Now, are you done wasting time since I'm so throughly discredited no one in their right mind would bane me? What's the point of attacking me

now?

No one is putting forth baning me, and I'm falling out of townblocks. It rather sounds like a chainsaw defense of the CDB boon wagon.

We have a claimed doctor and a claimed investigator. Rule 1 of mafia setups.

Follow the cop

should not be a recipe for a town victory. Follow the cop has only been possible once, but the cop was a serial killer that was untouchable by the scumteam (I'm still pissed on that one). The more logical action (considering the depths this setup got reviewed), is that scum have a roleblocker. Booning CDB ensures that he's either dead or roleblocked. So what's the point in booning him? So you are right that I'm very against Booning CDB. Most people should be. Yet, the analysis is looking at the fact it's

possible

that CDB gets an investigation. I highly doubt it.

Now, if you'll excuse me from your pedantic exercises, I have something more productive to do. Like wash my car in the rain, change my new guitar strings or pretty much anything else.

[Titus]

*baning= booning me (obvious in context but bleh)

[Espeonage]

Hi, Been out of it with irl stuff. Got a super busy schedule. I will catch up though.

[DeasVail]

I've read up and there's not much I want to say except people want to lynch me, woooo, and I'm pretty ok with a boon of CDB.

Boon: CDB

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More read stuff.

I've read through Gamma quickly and have pretty much lost the will I had earlier to lynch him. Still possible scum in my mind, but at least a level or two above what he was before.

Pretty sure Mastin is town, and same with Oversoul.

Ok I think I'm wrong on Shadoweh too. That's fun!

Singer is someone I don't want to lynch soon, so what I think of her alignment right now isn't incredibly important. It's probably town, but I remember being concerned about her posting at the end of the first major day.

Now TTH is someone I may still think is scum. I haven't been able to (and won't be able to) have a thorough check of this, but does it actually say anywhere that the unlockable VT knows they're the unlockable VT? Or is there some other way that TTH would not be clearly town? I ask because I'm suspicious about there only being one kill last night. Scum probably would have seen me as a high priority night kill during the first minor night, so I would consider it reasonably likely that they would prep detects on me. Obviously however, I would have been a much lower priority nightkill during the major night to the point where scum may even have considered it beneficial to not kill me. There are other potential explanations for there only being one successful unmake, and for that reason plus me having become public enemy number 3 or so, I don't expect anything to be done about this now, but I worry about TTH.

Titus I still think is town.

UT is actually entering my scumlist for reasons in addition to what others have expressed. My reasons for not wanting to lynch him have likely been disproven though I'm not completely sure, so I'm happy to have this read on hold until the next cycle thing.

Vezok is town pretty sure.

[Cheetory6]

Ok I think I'm wrong on Shadoweh too. That's fun!

Why.

I've read up and there's not much I want to say except people want to lynch me, woooo, and I'm pretty ok with a boon of CDB.

Why are you okay with a boon on CDB if in your last post you said that "you weren't going to touch him right now" in terms of your read on him? How can you be casually okay with booning someone you have no read on?

Duplicate. One member of Annihilation may use the same Active ability twice each Major Night. This ability is Locked, and cannot be used until the Lock is removed.

If scum has this, then the unlockable VT would likely have to have this as well. Otherwise, scumTTH would have to guess that there would be something that would conftown her on minorD2, would have to have gotten lucky that we didn't choose to unlock the ability and get CC-ed and then guess that the ability would be hidden to the VT who would get unlocked.
I find it hard to believe all of that would just prettily fall into the hands of scum.

[Oversoul]

DV you're being a little ego centric. But TTH thinking you're a high priority kill makes sense for her detect if she is a watcher.

[Titus]

Why would TTH think DV is a high priority kill given the amount of suspicion DV is under?

CDB is at boon minus 3. Quickly losing hope for the smart play.

[singersigner]

@Singer,

The difference there, is that I'm already persuaded before Gamma and trying to work with him. Nothing about his case on you was weak at all. Yet, you try to get someone to push harder on a case that you admit is weak. Rather than actually scumhunting the case to check logic or find the errors in it, you want CDB to post more content. It's easy as scum to sit in the shadows and take pot shots.

Fair enough. Gamma did already make a pretty big play for me being scum at that point, though, so my interpretation was that you didn't think there was enough support. What exactly did you find strong about his case on me?

The context in the post was confusing. Of course I'm aware of the Vicktor role. Yet, you were speculating about me being partners with Victor. It's a meaningless statement akin to saying I'm scum. Yet, you were trying to devine some partnership from it. So yes, the question of "Who is Victor" is absolutely appropriate. I'm sure there's a few reasons why to read one PM and not the other, even if we supposed your fallacy. But how do you reach the conclusion that a) I

have not read

Vicktor's PM and that I'm scum? You should ask your buddies who are providing meta how likely it is for me to be scum and not be aware of

all

the ins an outs of the game. That's the only way scum!Titus wins. Hell, that's the only way intelligent scum win. So if you actually believe that I did not read Victor's role PM you should be clearing me, but you are not. (It should be clear that I

have read

that PM and that's not a reason to clear me at all but I'm only bringing it up to show a fallacy on Singer's part, namely what

she

should have concluded). When Gamma said that you're context was "baseless", that was actually being polite. I would have gone with choice words that I'm sure would do nothing more than piss people off rather than being productive.

Let me make this very clear: I didn't actually come to the conclusion that you didn't read his role PM. The exact opposite, actually. I came to the conclusion that you HAD to have read the PM, but the "who is viktor" commentary implied you hadn't, or were at least pretending not to. You asked who Viktor was after I very clearly said that we were speculating it was either you or someone in your townblock which couldn't possibly be speculated on until a scum flip, so I'm not sure where the confusion was on your part.

Spoiler: Here's the context!

I have to work tonight, too, which is unfortunate, but my team and I would just like to comment that we feel pretty strongly that Titus is scum now, and she's been protecting Victor in one of her "town block"...it would be really nice for other people to comment on mine and Cheetory's case against her!

@Gamma...meh, that's fine. I can confirm it or not after a flip.

She's scum so she's either Victor, or she's playing along with this whole town block thing to protect someone

, which we think is more likely because town blocks are incredibly silly and anti-town in general.

Who the hell is Victor?

Who the hell is Victor?

Victor

Viktor?

Also, lol...that's the one thing you have to say right now...lol...

@Singer, Yes, I'm not commenting on your comments regarding Viktor because

I don't even know what you're saying

. So rather than dodge my question, why not tell me who the hell he is so I can contribute?

Also, you absolutely are wrong about townblocks being anti-town in general. Townblocks serve a purpose to shut off mislynches. If there's a group of people all townreading each other, it forces scum to either a) discredit (as you have with me and Mastina) or b) buddy them or c) pray for rapid death of the townblock. I find it no coincidence that Mastina's pushed sequentially right after that.

Now, are you done wasting time since I'm so throughly discredited no one in their right mind would bane me? What's the point of attacking me

now?

No one is putting forth baning me, and I'm falling out of townblocks. It rather sounds like a chainsaw defense of the CDB boon wagon.

This sounds like scum who's lost control.

We have a claimed doctor and a claimed investigator. Rule 1 of mafia setups.

Follow the cop

should not be a recipe for a town victory. Follow the cop has only been possible once, but the cop was a serial killer that was untouchable by the scumteam (I'm still pissed on that one). The more logical action (considering the depths this setup got reviewed), is that scum have a roleblocker. Booning CDB ensures that he's either dead or roleblocked. So what's the point in booning him? So you are right that I'm very against Booning CDB. Most people should be. Yet, the analysis is looking at the fact it's

possible

that CDB gets an investigation. I highly doubt it.

How would booning the doctor be any better?? You're talking about booning the claimed doctor who would get a guaranteed protect on everyone but themselves because who knows the details about the bulletproof/scum roles in the game? Are you taking that risk because you have a strongman on your team? Like maybe it just comes down to which risk you're willing to take, and I'll concede to that. But calling it a sucky boon seems overkill if you're not willing to fight it.

Now, if you'll excuse me from your pedantic exercises, I have something more productive to do. Like wash my car in the rain, change my new guitar strings or pretty much anything else.[/quote]

[singersigner]

Crap, messed up the last part of my quote but basically everything is the same.

Why would TTH think DV is a high priority kill given the amount of suspicion DV is under?

CDB is at boon minus 3. Quickly losing hope for the smart play.

He wasn't under any suspicion at all by the time the Minor Night 1 actions were chosen/submitted.

[singersigner]

Spoiler: DV reads post

I've read up and there's not much I want to say except people want to lynch me, woooo, and I'm pretty ok with a boon of CDB.

Boon: CDB

--

More read stuff.

I've read through Gamma quickly and have pretty much lost the will I had earlier to lynch him. Still possible scum in my mind, but at least a level or two above what he was before.

Pretty sure Mastin is town, and same with Oversoul.

Ok I think I'm wrong on Shadoweh too. That's fun!

Singer is someone I don't want to lynch soon, so what I think of her alignment right now isn't incredibly important. It's probably town, but I remember being concerned about her posting at the end of the first major day.

Now TTH is someone I may still think is scum. I haven't been able to (and won't be able to) have a thorough check of this, but does it actually say anywhere that the unlockable VT knows they're the unlockable VT? Or is there some other way that TTH would not be clearly town? I ask because I'm suspicious about there only being one kill last night. Scum probably would have seen me as a high priority night kill during the first minor night, so I would consider it reasonably likely that they would prep detects on me. Obviously however, I would have been a much lower priority nightkill during the major night to the point where scum may even have considered it beneficial to not kill me. There are other potential explanations for there only being one successful unmake, and for that reason plus me having become public enemy number 3 or so, I don't expect anything to be done about this now, but I worry about TTH.

Titus I still think is town.

UT is actually entering my scumlist for reasons in addition to what others have expressed. My reasons for not wanting to lynch him have likely been disproven though I'm not completely sure, so I'm happy to have this read on hold until the next cycle thing.

Vezok is town pretty sure.

"More read stuff." There's not a whole lot of commitment to your reads. >_>

Why isn't my alignment important right now? What concerned you about my posting at the end of Major Day 1?
Cheetory already asked this but what are you wrong about with regards to Shadoweh?
Are you speculating on TTH's alignment based on the fact that you're not dead?
Why do you think Titus is town? Could you find time to comment on my recent posts about her when you're more caught up?

[Formerfish]

Boon: Mastina

[Titus]

No. Mastina's tunnel rivals yours.

The whole playing dumb theory is just spinning to avoid the truth. Which is more likely, I pretended to be dumb to get towncred for being stupid and utterly useless deliberately marginalizing myself or b) wanting to know who Victor was in your theory?

Booning Mastina guarantees she stays alive. If she us a doctor/BP, it guarantees she will be around until Day 4 at least. So even if Mastina is blocked, we tangibly get something.