White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[ika]

This is classic scum. FOS buddy (CES) vote town (Regfan)

yet you were calling the scum team me/ces/regfan?

so what is it BBT?

@annen: im can continue our little funsie later im one break and its my birthday so im gonna have fun.

maybe if your lucky i will come back drunk

[Aneninen]

Happy Birtday, Ika!
As a matter of fact, I'll be away for the rest of the day too.

[ika]

Ika, state why I'm scum.

Zach, don't be stupid. Once again, I tried my best to lynch who I thought was scum and, once again, nobody listened.

Just so I can gloat post game I'm calling the scum team now.

Ika/CES/Regfan.

CD was clearly a counter-wagon to stop CES from being lynched.

But whatever. I'll sit here while you guys mislynch town again and then maybe, once we're in LyLo, somebody will listen to me.

here BBT ill even quote you where you called us all ascum team.

so tell me how what your stating now is not a huge contridiction of stances of what you orgionaly thought?

VOTE: BBT

lets lynch scum guies

pedti: awwwww, i was gonn ahve fun dismantling the shitty argument your pushing on me. like you honestly sound very unconvinced in your push overall tbh

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

So, are you saying that I should think that it's NOT an alignment tell about Ika that he voted, unvoted and hammered a player he hadn't been talking about before?
Why do you think that Aeronaut wouldn't have posted anything useful later?

No, it was blindingly obvious that Aeronaut was getting lynched. Like I expressed at the time, I felt people were taking too long to fall in line rather than there being any grand opportunism. And Aeronaut hadn't posted anything useful up to that point and didn't seem to be caught up.

Also, it seems that whenever I post about Ika you grab a piece out of my case so as to explain me that I'm wrong. His hammer is not the only thing why I have a scumread on him.
But, I'm asking you once again: show me the town motivation behind Ika's posts.

I imagine you can write most of the things you pointed out about ika in most games ika plays. When I read his posts, his tone reads quite genuine and when he has talked to me, it's just generally felt like there was town motivation behind it (e.g. 946 and 953). So my main interest in your ikacase have been the bits where you've felt the scummiest.

P-edit: ika, BBT dropped the Regfanscumread a while ago like a hot potato.

[ika]

really?

meh, i need to come back when im drunk and post a bunch.

CES whats your read on regfan and why?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The fact that he went the whole weekend without really posting (it's half one in Sydney now) definitely troubles now. I'm sure he does some have RL issues but this seems like the time where he'd be most motivated to post if he's town and least motivated to post if he's scum (especially if his partners look legitimately scummy to him). With the way this Day is gone, the Tammynightkill also feels less obvious but I probably shouldn't assign that much too weight.

The possibility of Regfan being scum also makes me think worse of elk based on the way 'marble and I interacted with Regfan re: elk.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 3.09

Aneninen (3) - Ankamius, Antihero, Zachrulez
Ankamius (1) - theelkspeaks
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - BlueBloodedToffee
ika (1) - Aneninen

Not Voting (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Regfan

With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 11, 2015, at 12:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-11 12:00:00).

Moderator Comments

Antihero is V/LA until May 4.

[theelkspeaks]

Also, Anen didn't mention this but ika's whole "I'm not scum just look at my meta, I know my own meta and this isn't how I play as scum" is a super unreliable reason for ika to be town and makes him sound pretty scummy for insisting it.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Ika

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, Anen didn't mention this

Does that mean you agree with Aneninen's case?

Also, I asked you some questions:

Mostly on a whim, I thought it might be useful to see the progression of votes over time, and it turned out some interesting thoughts.

When? During the Night?

What do you think of Ank unvoting me near the end of Yesterday? What do you think of the Cheery Doglynch?

Bonus questions: do you think Ank's less scummy now? Did you think ika was scummy previously?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Zach, why is CES town?

so far my lynch pool is currently compiled of CES/regfan
i would do BBT for lolz but anyone else atm i have no intrest in

I wonder who's the buddy then.

Who do you think?

This is classic scum. FOS buddy (CES) vote town (Regfan)

yet you were calling the scum team me/ces/regfan?

so what is it BBT?

@annen: im can continue our little funsie later im one break and its my birthday so im gonna have fun.

maybe if your lucky i will come back drunk

Oh dear. You're very obviously not reading. Then again, I guess you don't need to whilst you're able to coast and nobody pays you any attention.

VOTE: ika

[Zachrulez]

Pretty much the whole process yesterday and feeling more sure of that read today. It would take a lot to convince me CES is scum.

Also feeling like Anen and Elk are both scum and trying to push an Ika counterwagon, and you're helping them.

[Zachrulez]

I think right now I'd lynch Anen, Elk or Regfan today, and not really interested in anyone else.

[ika]

well we have me and CES who can lynch annen

i really dont care and nobody seems to also care how opertunistic elk votes looks.

like im kinda at point of wanting to be lynched o i can take over ZZZX game and not wory about this shit cus if we swap now i have to basicly tell him my thought on shit cus hes not reading this

[theelkspeaks]

well we have me and CES who can lynch annen

i really dont care and nobody seems to also care how opertunistic elk votes looks.

like im kinda at point of wanting to be lynched o i can take over ZZZX game and not wory about this shit cus if we swap now i have to basicly tell him my thought on shit cus hes not reading this

Opportunistic? I was the second vote on you, right after you've posted several pages of scummy excuses since the last time I posted, AND I thought you were playing antitown at several points earlier in the game and had even voted you for it.

Opportunistic?

[ika]

well we have me and CES who can lynch annen

i really dont care and nobody seems to also care how opertunistic elk votes looks.

like im kinda at point of wanting to be lynched o i can take over ZZZX game and not wory about this shit cus if we swap now i have to basicly tell him my thought on shit cus hes not reading this

Opportunistic? I was the second vote on you, right after you've posted several pages of scummy excuses since the last time I posted, AND I thought you were playing antitown at several points earlier in the game and had even voted you for it.

Opportunistic?

antitown=/=scum though?

the fact you jsut showed up for me to vote me and nothing else?
the fact you have like no reads right now?
the fact that you litarly walts in plop a vote down and then come back to post this?

like how about a read list at least with reason or something cus i find it completley justified that your vote is opertunistic based on how you have been playing right now

[ika]

i wouldnt be surprise to even see 2 scums on my wagon atm.

[theelkspeaks]

I have no reads?

Have you been reading my posts?

It's pretty clear that I'm scumreading you/CES/Anka in varying order, and townreading BBT/Anen.

Zach is still in the middle, hard to decide how I feel about him.

[theelkspeaks]

Anti and regfan are also in my null bin, for completeness sake.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Elk, can you explain Anen town read?

I'm struggling to swallow the fact you don't have a read on Anti or Regfan either.

[ika]

Elk, can you explain Anen town read?

I'm struggling to swallow the fact you don't have a read on Anti or Regfan either.

i find it more irnoic you are voting with him

[ika]

I have no reads?

Have you been reading my posts?

It's pretty clear that I'm scumreading you/CES/Anka in varying order, and townreading BBT/Anen.

Zach is still in the middle, hard to decide how I feel about him.

now justify each read and how it will be affected when i flip town cus those are like the most shittiest reads i have ever heard

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I mean, do I like your wagon composition right now? No.

Do I want you lynched? Yes. Very badly.

[ika]

Yeah, I mean, do I like your wagon composition right now? No.

Do I want you lynched? Yes. Very badly.

so your voting my on policy i take it?

like a day before lylo and you want policy? thats rich

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not policy ika, not even close.

I have explained why I think you're scum.

[ika]

Not policy ika, not even close.

I have explained why I think you're scum.

yet if you hate my wagon company it shoudl give you pause and the fact it doesn is hilarious if you are town