We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[BBmolla]

I think that's ridiculous but okay

[ChriVi]

I think that's ridiculous but okay

You should hammer

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

He doesn't think boon's scum, remember?

[ChriVi]

He doesn't think boon's scum, remember?

I'm aware.

[BBmolla]

I think that's ridiculous but okay

You should hammer

pass

[BBmolla]

I think that's ridiculous but okay

You should hammer

pass

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Should I be concerned about the speed of this wagon, or should I wait until we do get boon's flip?

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 8.03

Boonskiies (4)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Drixx, ChriVi, BRantz

Oranje Crush (2)

- Plotinus, BBmolla

Plotinus (1)

- Oranje Crush

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- Boonskiies

Not Voting (0)

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-14 23:05:07).

[Drixx]

Should I be concerned about the speed of this wagon, or should I wait until we do get boon's flip?

You made a convincing case. The only conftown is on the wagon. I'm on the wagon and Boonskiies "cleared" me. Whose vote are you concerned about?

[Plotinus]

Intent to hammer.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Well, yesterday two votes piled on after me pretty quickly after I voted OC, and today boon jumped straight to L-1 in the span of a couple posts after I vote him. I feel like I should be nervous about that even if we're at 8 players left. I mean, if boon isn't scum and the nuked kill goes through, that puts us down to 6, and potentially without ChriVi as well. And if we're the ones getting nuked today ChriVi will absolutely die tonight unless scum isn't in their scumreads (Though I think they'll probably die anyways to avoid there being the "obvious" choice). At the absolute, ideal best we're looking at a 7-person Day 9 (only boon is lynched, no one's nuked, no one dies at night), and at worse it's going to be a 4-player Kingmaker (Boon lynched+1 other is nuked, two town die tonight).

[BRantz]

I mean this has been a quick wagon, but the game had somewhat stalled for a while previous to the wagon which makes me think it is okay. Your scenario becomes true no matter who we lynch today (if they aren't scum) BC. So I don't think the wagon speed matters as much?

[Plotinus]

Best case scenario: boon was the last scum, his innocents on oranje and driix were true, and he's hoping bulba will be mislynched. In this scenario devour was a twice after the last werewolf dies thing.

decent scenario: boon is town and his death leaves us with 3 conftowns (driix, oranje, chivri) which is more than can die in one night assuming only nuke from orbit and devoured are left which seems likely. one or two of those die during the night but we still have some left for the next day, perhaps enough that the last scum will be obvious.

another good scenario: boon was scum, there's one more left, less conftowns die during the night than otherwise would have, we figure things out together the next day.




I seem to remember that at some point, somebody mentioned that they lose stand offs -- it might have been oranje talking about his infinite commute that if it was just him and a mafia left then oranje would lose? I don't remember who it was, it might not have been oranje, I've tried searching a bunch of people's ISOs and text searching the thread for all the words i could think of and i didn't find it, but does anyone else remember anything like that which would imply the mods had thought about kingmaker situations and tried to avoid it?

i text searched for: kingmaker, stand off, stand-off, standoffs, lose, feel better

(the last one because i remember somebody else saying "oh that makes me feel better about your role" in response.)

[BBmolla]

With the probable existence of an SK I wouldn't call them confirmed town except Chrivi.

[BBmolla]

Boonskiies where the flyign fuck are you dude

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Please tell me he's not trying to lurk out today.

I mean this has been a quick wagon, but the game had somewhat stalled for a while previous to the wagon which makes me think it is okay. Your scenario becomes true no matter who we lynch today (if they aren't scum) BC. So I don't think the wagon speed matters as much?

Maybe not, but it still has me worried.

[Plotinus]

@BBmolla: oh. because he's a mafia/not mafia cop. not an innocent/guilty cop. that's true.

how likely do you think it is that devour is a beyond the grave thing? i saw someone mention it earlier. maybe it's wishful thinking. Bulba speculated in 6515 that it could be a venge thing like elusive said, but elusive said her kill would be blown away when she was pretending to be vengeful (i think she was lying. we never saw a blown away kill.)

anyway it's almost bedtime so still intent to hammer but not going to do it tonight.

[Drixx]

Elusive was most likely trying to put in an explanation to explain further kills with there being more werewolves than just her slot. I think that was an obvious lie in hindsight.

[Plotinus]

i also think she was lying.

Drixx do you think devour is the last werewolf became superpowered, or a backup werewolf that didn't get activated until the last werewolf died (i saw a setup on the wiki that had a backup doctor so that's why i'm wondering about backup scum), or something else?

[Drixx]

"Backup scum" would be alignment change and that's firmly into bastard territory. My best guess at the moment is that devour is either a limited shot enrage that gave the last werewolf some strongman kills when the others were dead or it's an SK who waited until the 2nd werewolf died to start killing in hopes that it would appear to be some kind of werewolf flavor and said SK could make it to the end.

[Plotinus]

That makes more sense. I guess the scenario I was thinking of would have them knowing from the start that they were backup but admittedly I didn't think it through very hard. I think the first might be more likely because Toon Fighter was devoured and she was doc protected.

[ChriVi]

That makes more sense. I guess the scenario I was thinking of would have them knowing from the start that they were backup but admittedly I didn't think it through very hard. I think the first might be more likely because Toon Fighter was devoured and she was doc protected.

Hammer hun.

[BBmolla]

Please tell me he's not trying to lurk out today.

I literally have classes with him, I don't know why the fuck he isn't posting.

[BBmolla]

Previously it's because we've been crazy busy with a show

But shows over, get in here dude

[ChriVi]

Please tell me he's not trying to lurk out today.

I literally have classes with him, I don't know why the fuck he isn't posting.

Previously it's because we've been crazy busy with a show

But shows over, get in here dude

If you know he has time and he's still not in here

Then how far fetched is it to say he's lurking the game out and hoping we'll move onto someone else?