8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Metal Sonic]

your is a pure omgus so late in the game.

Did you take 3 of my long posts and summarized them into "you are omgus"?

That's another

misrep

to the counter!

And, I voted you first. You voted me second. So, technically you're the one with the omgus.

[Metal Sonic]

metal if you were town you would know i am town just by looking at my posts. your failing here is a fucking allarming thing (in addition to other classic scum-tells)

Speak that to yourself. I raised that point before you.

sadly i read you and i see you are scum. and you say I am scum. so we are in a disagreement here. and frankly the only time u called me scum as town you were wrong anyway

So are you calling me wrong? Or are you calling me scum? Can you make up your mind?

Or even if I flip town it won't make you look scummy anyway?

Sorry bro, it doesn't work that way.

I am calling you scum and saying in the 1/100 chance ur town that you are wrong so you can look at your own bs you are saying. but frankly the way you are misreping my posts it appears you are scum.

THEY SAID THE SAME ABOUT GREYICE

AND THEN THEY FAILED

[Metal Sonic]

You know what? I'm not going to encourage you.

You are scum and you are scared to die. You are not thinking for town to win.

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Ooba, I'll talk to you, bounce ideas off me if you have to.

[ZZZX]

i agree about zar, generally one of the people who are town read by all 's read is welcome.

i explained my reasoning.

pedit: you voted me when i said why I will vote you off. so nope.

your posts were pure misrep that came after i said i heavily suspect you. get your fucking facts straight.

p-edit: i was wrong about grey, yea. but in the end grey clearly showed he didnt suspect me as much, i knew he might flip town but both wge's venge and my team were paranoid of him. so things had to be done. but i played with you enough to know you.

[ZZZX]

also me wanted to live as town is not true? fuck your misrep i am done with you.

cus town would love to get mislynched so much #scarcasm4dumbpeople.

[Zar]

He actully responded more than I thought he would.

He said his D1 posts read genuine if you put them in context and none of what you said applies. He also said he moved onto Nacho because that's what the team told him to do.

I don't understand how ABR's entire recollection of his posts "reading genuine" involves not considering GreyICE's kept bringing up that SilverWolf had excused herself of this game out of "RL making it hard to replace into this game" while actively posting elsewhere, when he had already mentioned knowing SW wasn't comfortable playing scum. To me it feels like ignoring something that could have helped stringing her up in Day one if he had factored his experience with her and what he had spotted. Or why if he was convicted by his early pushes on SW he he somehow found a way of townreading the slot based on a single scum game by Kagami.

It also explain why/how your slot was somehow townreading both Ooba and Sotty in 1952 when he asks them both whether they would rather be mislynched to protect their Nacho townread, sicne he had been expressing suspicion on the slot before the replacement and had Ooba/Seraphim among his suspects for reasons stated several times before that comment.

[ooba]

Ooba, I'll talk to you, bounce ideas off me if you have to.

Tangential - but let's talk about Titus VCA.

I know my alignment and wgeurts has already flipped.

This is nowhere close to the accuracy shown in the town games where Titus did a VCA.

These are the notes Titus had.

1.4 - MS is a counterwagon to 2 wagons that were on scum.
1.9 - Dueling scum wagons. If no bussing is assumed, then scum would be in Ooba, Mollie, Zar
Between 1.12 and 1.13, ZZZX tipped the lynch to Hoopla over Kagami.
Hoopla wagon has 1 flipped scum on it. Others haven't flipped.
2.12 & 2.13 - Mollie is counterwagon to Kagami; ZZZX switched to Kagami from Mollie
2.18 - Mollie, Ooba, and Grey all voting for Sotty
2.19 - GI votes Nacho, followed by wgeurts and ZZZX
Mollie comes on, Kagami hammers Nacho

Zar is Town due to Sotty votes, Grey would have to be bussing frequently to be scum, and Mollie has generally good votes.

Again, her lynch pool after this is Ooba, ZZZX, and wgeurts.

I want to work with GI here.

VOTE: wgeurts

[Zar]

Firstly, during my absence, shos left multiple messages in the team pt and it seems he was pretty worried! Quite a number of them was to tell me to take my vote off Zar. After the read-through, mollie *finally* wants ooba's blood after me yelling for his head for like 100 years. Somewhere along the line she is going to proudly say "I caught ooba!" while forgetting that I was all for it the whole time. Well, after he flips scum, I'm conftown then, so hopefully it will all work out.

UNVOTE: Zar
VOTE: Ooba

Can you go over what shos said that compelled you to unvote me and why did you accept his read on me so eagerly at that point, given that he's been townreading me for a while and you seemed to suspect me for not addressing your concerns?

[Metal Sonic]

Ooba, I'll talk to you, bounce ideas off me if you have to.

Tangential - but let's talk about Titus VCA.

I know my alignment and wgeurts has already flipped.

This is nowhere close to the accuracy shown in the town games where Titus did a VCA.

These are the notes Titus had.

1.4 - MS is a counterwagon to 2 wagons that were on scum.
1.9 - Dueling scum wagons. If no bussing is assumed, then scum would be in Ooba, Mollie, Zar
Between 1.12 and 1.13, ZZZX tipped the lynch to Hoopla over Kagami.
Hoopla wagon has 1 flipped scum on it. Others haven't flipped.
2.12 & 2.13 - Mollie is counterwagon to Kagami; ZZZX switched to Kagami from Mollie
2.18 - Mollie, Ooba, and Grey all voting for Sotty
2.19 - GI votes Nacho, followed by wgeurts and ZZZX
Mollie comes on, Kagami hammers Nacho

Zar is Town due to Sotty votes, Grey would have to be bussing frequently to be scum, and Mollie has generally good votes.

Again, her lynch pool after this is Ooba, ZZZX, and wgeurts.

I want to work with GI here.

VOTE: wgeurts

Granted. This is a high tier game, I expected at the worst 1 scum at the bottom, and 1 at the top (was Zar previously). But, I know my alignment (and I'm pretty dang delighted that I'm #1, if you noticed), Zar is probtown according to many (so that agrees with the VCA again!), and my lynchpool is currently {you, alchey, zzzx}. Yeah, everyone's should be similar sans themselves. Making the assumption that Zar and Mollie are town, and clearing myself, the VCA itself has 4 right reads and 1 wrong read. That's pretty fantastic.

If you want me to be honest here, I'm going by reputation. Titus's reputation is at stake if this messes up, which is not the case, since Mollie/Zar/Grey are 3/3 everybody-agrees-town in the top block. If Alchemist is town, and I know I'm town, then that confirms that Titus's VCA is spot-on again. The only other possibility here is that the VCA maker is scum. REGARDLESS, ZZZX ends up scum, and clearly he is unhappy abut being the bottom 2.

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I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.


I've asked Alchemist to request a new fresh D7 VCA from Titus, he promised 72 hours but it seems that it isn't coming. That's fine, cause she's busy. But yeah, we need an update, with the 2 recent flips.

[ZZZX]

I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.

yet you followed it like a cultist following thier holy grail...

[Metal Sonic]

I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.

yet you followed it like a cultist following thier holy grail...

I deny. You are a liar.

[ZZZX]

If you want me to be honest here, I'm going by reputation. Titus's reputation is at stake if this messes up, which is not the case, since Mollie/Zar/Grey are 3/3 everybody-agrees-town in the top block. If Alchemist is town, and I know I'm town, then that confirms that Titus's VCA is spot-on again. The only other possibility here is that the VCA maker is scum. REGARDLESS, ZZZX ends up scum, and clearly he is unhappy abut being the bottom 2.

frankly if alch is town taht should confirm ooba as scum for you if you were town yet you are trying to gain ooba at your side, hmm?

[ZZZX]

I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.

yet you followed it like a cultist following thier holy grail...

I deny. You are a liar.

I double deny. every single time you were told off you were going "but titus vca" "but titus so gud"
"omg titussss"

im pretty sure nearly everyone in the game can confirm that.

[ZZZX]

and no i wont go thro ur iso again to quote it, read you iso 1k posts ur self and see how long it takes.

[Metal Sonic]

If you want me to be honest here, I'm going by reputation. Titus's reputation is at stake if this messes up, which is not the case, since Mollie/Zar/Grey are 3/3 everybody-agrees-town in the top block. If Alchemist is town, and I know I'm town, then that confirms that Titus's VCA is spot-on again. The only other possibility here is that the VCA maker is scum. REGARDLESS, ZZZX ends up scum, and clearly he is unhappy abut being the bottom 2.

frankly if alch is town taht should confirm ooba as scum for you if you were town yet you are trying to gain ooba at your side, hmm?

frankly its not impossible that ooba is town and alch is scum

frankly it is more fun to talk to ooba than to you

[Metal Sonic]

I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.

yet you followed it like a cultist following thier holy grail...

I deny. You are a liar.

I double deny. every single time you were told off you were going "but titus vca" "but titus so gud"
"omg titussss"

im pretty sure nearly everyone in the game can confirm that.

I triply deny. That was only for a few posts after the VCA.

Anyway, I said this.

but lets pretend the whole VCA thing never happened cause it is only a small part to the game. I should be obvtown and you agree

You are misrepping me as if it is a good point in your "case"

[ZZZX]

You are misrepping me as if it is a good point in your "case"

you said that then 100 posts later u started using it,

[ZZZX]

and it was one of hte reasons u said ur lynching wge for so...

quadra ldeny

[Metal Sonic]

You are misrepping me as if it is a good point in your "case"

you said that then 100 posts later u started using it,

prove it


anyway wge was scummy as fuck and you also said that he "hit a tight spot in your scumdar". dont be a hypocrite. It was one of the reasons but its not the only reason so why are you mad??

[Metal Sonic]

@Zar I see your post. I'm collating in my team pt. It's... messy.

[ZZZX]

anyway wge was scummy as fuck and you also said that he "hit a tight spot in your scumdar". dont be a hypocrite. It was one of the reasons but its not the only reason so why are you mad??

you have said here it is one of the reasons. so why are you asking me to prove it... ?
and yea he did post a few posts that hit my scumdar. but i believed in wge and knew he was town till the end.

anyone im done for now. ill do some cs, study then sleep or smthing.

[Alchemist21]

He actully responded more than I thought he would.

He said his D1 posts read genuine if you put them in context and none of what you said applies. He also said he moved onto Nacho because that's what the team told him to do.

I don't understand how ABR's entire recollection of his posts "reading genuine" involves not considering GreyICE's kept bringing up that SilverWolf had excused herself of this game out of "RL making it hard to replace into this game" while actively posting elsewhere, when he had already mentioned knowing SW wasn't comfortable playing scum. To me it feels like ignoring something that could have helped stringing her up in Day one if he had factored his experience with her and what he had spotted. Or why if he was convicted by his early pushes on SW he he somehow found a way of townreading the slot based on a single scum game by Kagami.

It also explain why/how your slot was somehow townreading both Ooba and Sotty in 1952 when he asks them both whether they would rather be mislynched to protect their Nacho townread, sicne he had been expressing suspicion on the slot before the replacement and had Ooba/Seraphim among his suspects for reasons stated several times before that comment.

Well all Town players probably think their posts read genuine because they're genuinely Town. "Would you rather be mislynched...?" was probably a rhetorical question. For whatever reason, ABR was scumreading Nacho and trying to get him lynched. That part's not difficult for me to understand because ABR likes to focus on scum and get them lynched (which is why he even wrote a guide with that title).

[Alchemist21]

@Sonic, what's your read on Zar right now?

[Metal Sonic]

Firstly, during my absence, shos left multiple messages in the team pt and it seems he was pretty worried! Quite a number of them was to tell me to take my vote off Zar. After the read-through, mollie *finally* wants ooba's blood after me yelling for his head for like 100 years. Somewhere along the line she is going to proudly say "I caught ooba!" while forgetting that I was all for it the whole time. Well, after he flips scum, I'm conftown then, so hopefully it will all work out.

UNVOTE: Zar
VOTE: Ooba

Can you go over what shos said that compelled you to unvote me and why did you accept his read on me so eagerly at that point, given that he's been townreading me for a while and you seemed to suspect me for not addressing your concerns?

My original vote on you was a pressure vote, because I felt that you were ignoring ooba and I wanted to see more from you; especially when my tinfoil theory was you+Ooba. Then, I took a 3 day break from mafia, so my vote was on you during that period of time. I didn't check into my team pt either, which caused shos to be in a flurry especially when I did something that he specifically told me not to do. He gave brief but numerous convincing points with regard to his townread on you, and highlighted his conviction. I accepted it.

One of his strongest reasons was your play in Hilariously Unbalanced 2 mafia as compared to here -- its worlds apart. You don't follow your scum meta AT ALL. Another reason was your hammer and the reasoning that you had made for Kagami-scum, it gave you a lot of town points for him. Your case on Alchemist matched what shos was thinking, and it convinced shos that Alchemist was possible scum. We had a... little debate about that.

There were more points, but I think these are the unique ones that other players have not mentioned.

P-edit Townreading Zar at the moment, because of mutual agreement between mollie/greyice/shos/ooba/(lolzzzx)


@zzzx That was before Titus VCA was "wrong" on wgeurts. So it was still mostly okay to use it at the time until it was wrong on wgeurts. You don't see me mentioning the VCA after that do you? Only you keep bringing it up. prove me wrong. anyway i'm not even scumreading you based on Titus VCA. grey venged you are scum and you are doing the same to me.

well im sorry i didn't believe in wge, neither did the rest of the people (Zar, Grey, Ooba, wgeurts) on the 4 people wagon. deny they are town to me then.

[Metal Sonic]

Oh, and I missed one more point that shos thought Empire's ISO was fantabulous. I have to agree, Empire was extremely town, but everyone's townread on your slot dropped because you took a while to catch up in the game... about a week?