Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

For Team Mafia 2015 Games and Information
Forum rules
User avatar
Magua
Magua
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Magua
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6109
Joined: January 18, 2009

Post Post #2925 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:17 am

Post by Magua »

Vote Count 3.10


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (3): GreyICE, notscience, TierShift
GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone
Cephrir (2): Wisdom, xRECKONERx

Not Voting (2): Cephrir, Iecerint

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:
(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)


NameChangeScore
Cephrir
-
0
GreyICE
-
0
Iecerint
-
0
notscience
-
0
shos
-
0
T-Bone
-
0
TierShift
-
0
Wisdom
-
-1,000,000
xRECKONERx
-
1,000,000

User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2926 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:18 am

Post by Wisdom »

shos wrote:it looks like you're building steam on townwagons and then leave to not be on a mislynch.

Yeah it's not like you've played with me a thousand times and you know how I play
User avatar
shos
shos
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
shos
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17862
Joined: November 28, 2011

Post Post #2927 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:19 am

Post by shos »

if I wanted people to not listen to you I just needed to lurk.


and I saw you play a billion times, yeah, this is not something I remember. you're always a town leader, never without ACTUAL REASONING like here, and you never back out and let the lynch through.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:

Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2928 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:20 am

Post by Iecerint »

Cabd flipping functionally VT means scum almost certainly have at least (probably exactly) one role that is analogously benign. This is another feature of how games are designed.

Yes, you can have ridiculously OP scumteams to enable stuff, but it's NOT in the site meta, especially not in 2015. It's so non-normative that reviewers have to advertise such set-ups as "swingy." This is Team Mafia, where the team that wins gets a banner and not-insignificant bragging rights. The game is not going to have a swingy design. This is NOT something that's going to be subverted in a game with this level of importance to the site.

Pedit: Wisdom, if you are town, don't say stuff like "omg no one listens to poor me" while the wagon you created gets attention. The wagon exists because people listen to you and give you attention. It reads like you are trying to avoid responsibility and it doesn't gloss town for me (because it's rule based on fear of negative outcomes rather than evidence for a certain outcome being true).

I am annoyed that you have distracted my readthrough with this silliness.
User avatar
TierShift
TierShift
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
TierShift
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 8384
Joined: November 5, 2013

Post Post #2929 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:20 am

Post by TierShift »

Iecerint wrote:If it weren't for meta from someone (TS) and the fact that you are Who/mollie, I would have significant reservations about your alignment.

I'm not that good at reading wisdom (read: he is one of the players on this site I can read worst) but I don't see him as scum here

I think that arguments that start with 'there are too many of this type of role' are fallacious in theme games, simple as that. T-bone or Grey necessarily being scum because of roles is ridiculous, especially considering both of them have quite weak 'investigative' roles.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2930 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:20 am

Post by Wisdom »

Ok, this is fucking stopping here.

Tier, Grey, ns, Tbone: Get the fuck off Tbone and Grey and lynch Ceph with me. I'll follow you on shos or Iecerint if I must.
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2931 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:21 am

Post by Iecerint »

Reck come post.
User avatar
shos
shos
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
shos
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17862
Joined: November 28, 2011

Post Post #2932 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:21 am

Post by shos »

Iecerint wrote:Cabd flipping functionally VT means scum almost certainly have at least (probably exactly) one role that is analogously benign. This is another feature of how games are designed.

that is just false. scum have less people. even a fully functional scumteam can be countered by 5 town PRs or less. no need for 10.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:

Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2933 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:22 am

Post by Wisdom »

Iecerint wrote:Cabd flipping functionally VT means scum almost certainly have at least (probably exactly) one role that is analogously benign. This is another feature of how games are designed.

No, it isn't. This is just a forced conclusion.
User avatar
shos
shos
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
shos
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17862
Joined: November 28, 2011

Post Post #2934 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:22 am

Post by shos »

shos wrote:without ACTUAL REASONING like here

WISDOM PLEAZ TELL ME WHY THE FUCK YOU THINK CEPH IS SCUM
In post 836, Lucky2u said:

Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
User avatar
shos
shos
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
shos
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17862
Joined: November 28, 2011

Post Post #2935 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:22 am

Post by shos »

shos wrote:
Iecerint wrote:Cabd flipping functionally VT means scum almost certainly have at least (probably exactly) one role that is analogously benign. This is another feature of how games are designed.

that is just false. scum have less people. even a fully functional scumteam can be countered by 5 town PRs or less. no need for 10.

Wisdom wrote:
Iecerint wrote:Cabd flipping functionally VT means scum almost certainly have at least (probably exactly) one role that is analogously benign. This is another feature of how games are designed.

No, it isn't. This is just a forced conclusion.

lol
In post 836, Lucky2u said:

Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2936 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:22 am

Post by Wisdom »

Iecerint wrote:The wagon exists because people listen to you and give you attention.

No, the wagon exists because shos and Grey are pushing it.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2937 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:24 am

Post by Wisdom »

shos wrote:
shos wrote:without ACTUAL REASONING like here

WISDOM PLEAZ TELL ME WHY THE FUCK YOU THINK CEPH IS SCUM



Because read the fucking game.
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2938 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:24 am

Post by Iecerint »

TierShift wrote:
Iecerint wrote:If it weren't for meta from someone (TS) and the fact that you are Who/mollie, I would have significant reservations about your alignment.

I'm not that good at reading wisdom (read: he is one of the players on this site I can read worst) but I don't see him as scum here

I think that arguments that start with 'there are too many of this type of role' are fallacious in theme games, simple as that. T-bone or Grey necessarily being scum because of roles is ridiculous, especially considering both of them have quite weak 'investigative' roles.

Grey and T-Bone being town as an isolated world is DEFINITELY possible, but I think it starts to become impossible when there is also a doctor and a town tracker in the game. It only starts being impossible when you take into account the full picture of what's in the game.

Town Roleblocker is not a weak role at all. That shit is OP. It's also kinda swingy in that it gets stronger and stronger as the game goes on, especially if one scum dies early.

Pedit: Wisdom, when I read D3, I wanted to lynch T-Bone upon catching up mainly on the grounds of what you had posted up to that point, so as far as I am personally concerned, it was your take on stuff at the start of the day that made me want to lynch T-Bone (cf., "if you can't see that this is scum, you should quit mafia," etc).
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2939 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:25 am

Post by Iecerint »

shos wrote:
shos wrote:without ACTUAL REASONING like here

WISDOM PLEAZ TELL ME WHY THE FUCK YOU THINK CEPH IS SCUM

Wisdom's argument for Cephrir being scum is that lots of people think he is scum, he has done nothing town, and he simultaneously receives no pressure.

It's not a bad case and is the best wagon that isn't GreyICE/T-Bone.
User avatar
shos
shos
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
shos
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17862
Joined: November 28, 2011

Post Post #2940 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:27 am

Post by shos »

I quit. going home.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:

Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2941 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:28 am

Post by Wisdom »

no man stay, iece needs help discrediting me
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2942 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:29 am

Post by Iecerint »

Wisdom, did you legitimately not understand why one of Grey/T-Bone had to be scum from my POV?

Specifically, did you understand it and feign/half-feign ignorance (e.g., if town, perhaps because you thought that I was scum)?
User avatar
shos
shos
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
shos
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17862
Joined: November 28, 2011

Post Post #2943 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:30 am

Post by shos »

you can help him, you're doing that perfectly.

/omw to the bus

[real bus from uni home...lol...]
In post 836, Lucky2u said:

Rule # 5h05: players should not attempt to use or manipulate the mod for any purpose.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2944 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:30 am

Post by Wisdom »

No and I still don't understand it because it's bullshit. All of those roles can be town roles. Nobody fucking cares about roles.
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2945 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:30 am

Post by Iecerint »

Wisdom wrote:no man stay, iece needs help discrediting me

Complaining about being ignored when no one is ignoring you is not doing you any favors if you are town. It is just rhetorical because everyone is aware that you have significant gravitas in this game. Don't do it.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2946 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:31 am

Post by Wisdom »

yeah nobody is ignoring me that's why there are two town votes on tbone and two on grey
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2947 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:32 am

Post by Iecerint »

Wisdom wrote:The tracker could be scum I guess

It seemed like you had a different perspective a few days ago.

This read like you agreed that one of those three should be scum, but it could be the tracker, which would allow Grey/T-Bone to be town.
User avatar
Wisdom
Wisdom
Of the One
User avatar
User avatar
Wisdom
Of the One
Of the One
Posts: 51319
Joined: September 20, 2012

Post Post #2948 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:32 am

Post by Wisdom »

Nobody is ignoring me that's why everyone continues ignoring the fact Ceph is scum
User avatar
Iecerint
Iecerint
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Iecerint
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 15766
Joined: May 13, 2009
Location: San Francisco

Post Post #2949 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 5:33 am

Post by Iecerint »

I am not voting anyone until I see what Cephrir posts.

I do not think I am going to make my position on T-Bone/Grey any clearer before that time, either.
Locked