Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

no he said "I need to pay more attention to what I'm saying"

but even so, I still don't understand why you expect scum to say. Was it really that hard to shrug it off as confusion?

[GreyICE]

I'm sure if you got Cephrir to L-1 there'd be a few people who would "reconsider" their vote. Then tomorrow they could always go "Oh yeah, I wanted T-Bone anyway" and run the fastbus over him.

But that's the point, I've been offering them the Ceph way all day and nobody's following. Well, Reck did, but nobody else. What does that mean?

You've been offering your own vote.

Wisdom, let me ask you something, with brutal honesty. Do you really think the scum view you as someone who leads the town? How many votes have your pushes garnered? Reckoner is sitting there and making fun of you, and he practically claimed scum godfather when he was begging me to investigate him. You think last night he was like "lets sheep Wisdom and push him on to town folks, he's a strong town leader, everyone follows him?" You think T-Bone is even reading your fucking posts?

I'm trying to work with you because you're my second strongest town read, and I'm about ready to chew a carpet. Does Cephrir's play today really make you think "oh yeah, he's definitely scum?"

[Cephrir]

no he said "I need to pay more attention to what I'm saying"

but even so, I still don't understand why you expect scum to say. Was it really that hard to shrug it off as confusion?

This sounds to me like something scum giving up would say :/

[Wisdom]

Uh, yeah. That's how it always happens when I'm wrong, scum keep me around to lead the town to mislynches. I'm active and loud enough that I'm ideal for that.

But anyhow the point isn't that. The point is you're saying that Tbone's buddies would switch to Ceph given the chance - yet they have not been doing it (other than Reck). I guess if Reck is one of the buddies, the other wouldn't want to follow on Ceph unless some townies did first though, yeah?

[Wisdom]

no he said "I need to pay more attention to what I'm saying"

but even so, I still don't understand why you expect scum to say. Was it really that hard to shrug it off as confusion?

This sounds to me like something scum giving up would say :/

But why would he give up?

[Cephrir]

Because ragequit? He's clearly an angsty player, look at any of his posts. And he's looked pretty fucked all day anyway.

[Wisdom]

I fail to see any reason to ragequit

[Cephrir]

He does have roughly one thing going for him -- since no one has claimed to have gotten a message about Rhinox, he may well have been roleblocked, and scum wouldn't be likely to block and kill the same guy. But Rhinox could have protected scum.

[GreyICE]

Uh, yeah. That's how it always happens when I'm wrong, scum keep me around to lead the town to mislynches. I'm active and loud enough that I'm ideal for that.

But anyhow the point isn't that. The point is you're saying that Tbone's buddies would switch to Ceph given the chance - yet they have not been doing it (other than Reck). I guess if Reck is one of the buddies, the other wouldn't want to follow on Ceph unless some townies did first though, yeah?

If we assume T-Bone's vote on Cephrir in spirit :

Wis I'll vote I eve or ceph when I get home but I eve is preferred for me at the moment because of things he's said this phase I don't like.

Then yeah, I think they'd wait for one or two townies to bite. Shos is pretty solidly on T-Bone, has been for days, they can't think it's there. I'm certainly not hopping to Cephrir, although people keep cajoling me to. If I had a solid bet, they're hoping NS is the chosen one. With confirmed town leading the way, they could probably sleaze their way on.

[Wisdom]

Okay. But I think if Reck is town, they would have two townies pushing Ceph so at least one of them would join instead of continuing bussing, yeah?

So Reck is scum with him.

[Wisdom]

Unless, of course, Ceph is also scum!

[Iecerint]

Grey, did you ever ask LLD about the T-Bone target N1?

It is mostly just curiosity at this point.

[Iecerint]

He does have roughly one thing going for him -- since no one has claimed to have gotten a message about Rhinox, he may well have been roleblocked, and scum wouldn't be likely to block and kill the same guy. But Rhinox could have protected scum.

I think it's likely that T-Bone claimed his target accurately (if scum, due to fear of being tracked).

Scum may have thought that Rhinox was the amnesiac tracker, which would motivate both killing and blocking.

[GreyICE]

I thought I explained that. LLD thought this role was going to be mostly useless, and let me pick the target. As she'd tell you, she could get Shos lynched without the help. She didn't give much stock in the results either. I was a little more enthusiastic, although I barely read the games outside of my own.

[Iecerint]

Right, you actually did do that somewhere, now that you mention it. Probably in the claim itself idr.

The reason I didn't notice it is that that question occurred to me when I was reading her iso, and the shos focus before and after stood out in light of what I remembered from your claim, which was mainly the targets.

When I read your actual claim the second time I focused on identifying with the frustrating circumstances rather than the specific language, so that's probably why I didn't re-pick up on it. Plus I was talking to Wisdom and friends, so it was more disjointed at that point.

[Wisdom]

we're here currently:

Cephrir - Miller Vote Switcher - When the Mod messes up the votecount
GreyICE - Night action cop - When the Mod doesn't replace players before the night ends
Iecerint - ??? - ???
notscience - Hated - ???
shos - ??? - ???
T-Bone - Roleblocker - When the Mod forgets a night action
TierShift - ??? - ???
Wisdom - Messenger - When the Mod just has to comment
xRECKONERx - Points Awarder - When The Mod Keeps Score


Bins - Conditional Cop - When the Mod Ties Alignment to Flavor
Cabd - Limited Vote Mover - When the Mod Doesn’t Replace Lurkers
Katsuki - 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker - When the Mod Forgets to Lock the Thread
Rhinox - Loud Doctor - When the Mod Plays Favorites

[Iecerint]

I am pretty ambivalent about massclaim.

I think it probably won't hurt anything if T-Bone is a scum roleblocker, and it probably won't affect the overall outcome, anyway, if he's town.

[notscience]

First off,

VOTE: Tiershift

Mastin's musings coming after I finish eating dinner.

Tiershift is our lynch today.

Also, is it massclaim time already?

[T-Bone]

Prod dodge, having a shit day.

I'd like to see iece and grey lynched tomorrow when you guys mislynch me. Just a plea from a soon-to-be confirmed townie.

[Wisdom]

Tiershift is our lynch today.

wat

[Cephrir]

That sure does sound like something mastin would say.

It might even be a good idea, but I don't even know man.

[notscience]

For fucks sake I just lost everything I was typing

[notscience]

mastin's musings-
TS is textbook active lurking- his posts do a good job of looking town but dont actually try to advance anytihng
Re 2281- Last game I was a town roleblocker. If you truly think these setups are similar, such that ceph could be a scum miller again, the messenger again, how come town cant have another roleblocker?
re 2404 Shut up. You know mastin is

at least

semi-competent as town. Tbone is town. Your read on reck could be right. But, Tiershift is NOT TOWN. grey is NOT TOWN and ceph is a more likely third than reck
Greyice's claim is bs
re 2451 And what motive does a scum roleblocker have to claim to have targetted the obvtown nightkill? Why? Exactly. Tbone is town

I explained yesterday how Tbone was safeclaiming by saying he blocked me because he knew from Reck I had no night action.

This situation requires, as a necessity, for reck to be scum. So, even if (thisi s a big if) you are right, the obvious thing to do is to lynch reck first. not tbone, tbone is town
@Wis- Iece is town, period. You are wrong about grey. You are not considering obvscum tier.

GreyICE claims to have proof that NS is town
NS votes him

I have been instructed to provide instructions for the locale shos is to go for this heinous accusation, and it is a locale that is really hot every time of the year and satanic. I have zero reason to attack this as scum, but every to attack it as town
mastin really wants to think shos is scum because hes just so bad but she doesnt think he is
2782 is the most obvious scum-motivated post mastin has seen in ages and it went by unnoticed
2837 is also covering all bases. Defends grey, if greyice flips scum it pins it on me instead of him
And mastin has been screaming here for days trying to get me to post this stuff but I was in maryland and not having time for this so uh here it is.

kdone

Anyways, tier is scum.
Why is tier scum?
Active lurking.
Defending greyice while trying to find a way to line up a lynch after greyice should he get lynched.

and we are lynching tier today.

[notscience]

I can buy shosscum actually, this staticness of reads is really awkward. Going to add that to my rereadlist.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, blocking rhinox is still a scumclaim and I do not understand why you are thinking otherwise. Currently speaking to my team about it.

Can you explain why you think bone is town?

Look at this post

Now look again

What do you see

here is what you see

He claims that "blocking rhinox is a scumclaim" but do you see a vote on tbone in this post? no. He goes off to "speak to his team" but in reality it just looks like hes waffling around not wanting to be on a mislynch if he doesnt have to be, while also leaving the opportunity open to leave tbone to push tomorrow

and he opens up the opportunity to vote hsos but

Also this was a post brought to you by notsci inc, here to highlight your active lurking scumfucks. Now back to Krista with cosmetics.

Plus I dont think theres anyone actually townreading him but noone seems to want to lynch him for some reason?

Also I have more to my role than I've claimed! But it doesnt conflict with Grey's claim.

[GreyICE]

Yep, that sounds like Mastin alright. Tried so hard, and come so far, and in three years hasn't changed a wink. NS, tell her to go read T-Bone's ISO. We are NOT lynching him "for his claim". We are lynching him because he's scum who has fucking given up on the game. He has actually literally tossed in the towel and stopped fucking playing after he botched his claim and she wants to lynch the guy on VLA. And she is NOT pulling another fucking Pine on me. Last time I told her that she shoved her fingers in her ears and DID THE WRONG FUCKING THING. Not. Again. Tell her she fucking owes me an actual scumlynch twice over, and I'm calling it.

I mean seriously, look at his fucking posts! Do you honestly think he thinks we'll give two figs about his "thoughts" tomorrow? Not one fucking chance.

Go off on Tiershift tomorrow for all I care, I'm going to be fucking dead so you can do what you want.