Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

They could have been facing a tracker and a watcher, that's not resolved by a one shot strongman.

[Aronis]

Alright.

VOTE: Titus

[singersigner]

unvote
vote: Titus

[Titus]

@Singer,

I see you have no problem with people who have been lurking, as long as they do what you want.

@Aronis,

Why are Espy and I the best choices?

[Aronis]

@Singer,

I see you have no problem with people who have been lurking, as long as they do what you want.

@Aronis,

Why are Espy and I the best choices?

Because you're scum.

[Titus]

Why?

Also, why would you think Espy and I were scum together, despite Espy and I being at each other's throats most of the game? That just looks like reads of convience playing both sides so their happy.

We're both town btw.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 113 (Major Day 2, VC 1)

(4)

Untrod Tripod:

Gammagooey, Titus, ChannelDelibird, TellTaleHeart [L-5]
(3)

Titus:

Eseponage, Aronis, singersigner
(2)

Espeonage:

Oversoul, ActionDan

(Aronis)

(1)

DeasVail:

Cheetory6

(singersigner)

(1)

Bulbazak:

vezokpiraka
(0)

FormerFish:

(singersigner)

(6)

Not Voting:

mastin2, Shadoweh, DeasVail, Formerfish, Bulbazak, Untrod Tripod

(Gammagooey, Oversoul, Titus, Cheetory6, ChannelDelibird, singersigner, ActionDan, TellTaleHeart, Espeonage, vezokpiraka, Aronis)

With 17 players alive it's 9 to lynch. Major Day Two will end Tuesday, May 19th, at 2PM CST.

Major Day Two Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-19 13:00:00)

[Oversoul]

I don't get the Titus hate.

Gamma did you ever answer my TSO question about the wagon?

[Gammagooey]

I did but it wasn't particularly detailed because there aren't much details to give.

TSO coming back into the game the way he did looked really bad and I thought it was bad enough to overlook him looking town earlier in the game, especially with us having about 4 RL days to get two lynches done.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: UT

[vezokpiraka]

VOTE: UT

No. UT is town. Come help me lynch scum mastermind bulbazak.

[Titus]

Why do you think he's a scum "mastermind"?

[Oversoul]

Can we get a prod on Formerfish and Mastin, please?
Maybe even a replacement for Mastin?

[Oversoul]

I would like that explained too, Vezok.

I have a town read on your slot, but I don't really see a substantial case in your iso for why Bulba is scum.
I had a lot of issues with UT's play and now that everyone has seemingly come to their senses they want to lynch him? I should analyze the people who said no to the UT wagon earlier (yesterday) and compare it to the people on it now.

Townbloc:
Vezok
Gamma
Cheetory
TTH
CDB


Almost townbloc:
Singer
Titus

Everything else can die and I would be a very happy man.

[Titus]

Why is Vezok a townread Oversoul? His recent play isn't making me feel good.

[Oversoul]

His read on Bulba from his iso seems to be organically made in so far as the suspicion has mounted over the course of several days. Trace on TTH was pretty town too.

[Titus]

I cannot even understand his Bulba read. The trace on TTH is pretty scummy. It blocks TTH, obvtown likely to trace, fromgetting a result, even if true. If anything it looks like scum protecting fellow scum to me. How do you get tracing TTH as town?

[Oversoul]

Tracing doesn't prevent Detecting. It blocks other traces. TTH was a highly scumread player at the time, so tracing her is town motivated.

I think his Bulba read stems from Bulba's interactions. Still not entirely sure. But the common strand of suspecting Bulba is clearly present in Vezok's posts.

[ActionDan]

TTH was a highly scumread player at the time, so tracing her is town motivated.

You mean after she become ~confirmed town?

[vezokpiraka]

I cannot even understand his Bulba read. The trace on TTH is pretty scummy. It blocks TTH, obvtown likely to trace, fromgetting a result, even if true. If anything it looks like scum protecting fellow scum to me. How do you get tracing TTH as town?

From my view there was a still a chance tth was scum. A small one though it existed. I traced tth because I thought that if he detected as a vanilla he was clearly scum. No I confirmed one of my reads as town.

If you think this is more likely to come from scum than from town you are way too paranoid.

[Titus]

It's not overly paranoid to look at an action and then see which side it will benefit more and then judge alignment accordingly. There's a

chance

everyone is scum but me. That doesn't excuse detecting obvtown. If TTH got a guilty, he would be nearly unquestionable and that person should be lynched. Tracing TTH makes much more sense as a defensive scum manuever than an overly paranoid town. You effectively blocked the "copping" of someone.

[vezokpiraka]

It's not overly paranoid to look at an action and then see which side it will benefit more and then judge alignment accordingly. There's a

chance

everyone is scum but me. That doesn't excuse detecting obvtown. If TTH got a guilty, he would be nearly unquestionable and that person should be lynched. Tracing TTH makes much more sense as a defensive scum manuever than an overly paranoid town. You effectively blocked the "copping" of someone.

If you think a trace is equal to a cop than I want to know who did you trace night 1 and 2 and what results did you get, because a cop is more valuable than nearly any other action.

[Untrod Tripod]

Shut the fuck up with this townbLoc nonsense

That shit is not useful or townmotivated

[Untrod Tripod]

I cannot even understand his Bulba read. The trace on TTH is pretty scummy. It blocks TTH, obvtown likely to trace, fromgetting a result, even if true. If anything it looks like scum protecting fellow scum to me. How do you get tracing TTH as town?

Yes to this

So much yes

[ChannelDelibird]

I haven't yet gone delving into the many pages of this thread yet - wanna say I'll get some of that done tonight to distract myself from election results - but I have been talking a bit with my team-mates and they agree with me that UT is a good lynch.

Fenchurch says that his play here reminds her of him in Wicked Mafia, where he was scum (Osseus pseudotripodis) to Fences' town (Ampersand) and spent a lot of time trying to discredit their read on his slot. What he's doing to me and, in particular, Gamma here sounds the same. Neither Patrick nor I think that his suspicion on Gamma sounds at all genuine - I honestly think it's the most suspicious thing that UT's done in this game - and Patrick says that UT seems to have clocked that he can't really back it up and has just started giving unhelpful snarky answers and hoping that nobody presses it.