Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

if scum had a messenger role, they could make it look damn convincing

nope, they couldn't. It says it's a message.

[xRECKONERx]

This is a sore topic for me specifically because in 999 Mafia, I was a Friendly Neighbor, and when I "confirmed" myself to other people, it showed up as the mod saying "You received a message" then saying I'm town.

So yes I see very specific ways in which scum could impersonate an investigative role or hell even Friendly Neighbor.

p.edit: WISDOM. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT ISN'T FROM THE MOD. 'YOU GOT A MESSAGE' IS NOT SAYING IT IS NOT FROM THE MOD.

[Wisdom]

Pedit @Wisdom: Just because he is wrong about whether your role could be used for fuckery doesn't make him scum. I'm thinking about it, but [grumbling noises].

are you fucking kidding me

[Wisdom]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

[Cephrir]

Basically, my concerns:

-I'm not sure Reck is more likely to flip scum than shos/iec/tiershift.
-If he does flip town, we might do something stupid tomorrow, like lynching me, or something possibly dumb, like lynching t-bone

[xRECKONERx]

like this same argument happened in reverse in that game

the post:
Subject: Micro 381 - 999 Mafia (Nonary Game Complete)

And it doesn't fucking confirm you, it makes the mod say "hey you got a message" and then the message says you're town but that's not confirmed or unconfirmed

you already admitted to that earlier, stop playing it up to be something it isn't

lol

I am a fucking friendly neighbor, the purpose of that role is to confirm yourself to someone else. If the mod decides to be a douche and not actually confirm me I can't help that but that's what a friendly neighbor fucking does.

Don't try to fucking play games with me because of semantics.

(As an aside, I strongly suspect that the moderator intended for it to confirm me, then upon Akane actually asking if it confirmed me via mod, decided it'd be too broken in this setup to actually modconfirm me so he said no. I don't think I've ever seen a variation of a FN that DOESN'T confirm itself via mod, and I think maybe Pie misunderstood the role and did a bit of quick fixing to balance it out a bit.)

[Wisdom]

p.edit: WISDOM. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT ISN'T FROM THE MOD. 'YOU GOT A MESSAGE' IS NOT SAYING IT IS NOT FROM THE MOD.

It is. And the mod himself agrees.

[xRECKONERx]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

Yes, because you and shos both have specifically said "oh the more I think about it the more his role makes more sense as scum bc of fuckery"

but I didn't see you saying that about Cabd's vote moving shit

I didn't see you saying that about Cephrir's vote swap bullshit

[Cephrir]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.

[xRECKONERx]

p.edit: WISDOM. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT ISN'T FROM THE MOD. 'YOU GOT A MESSAGE' IS NOT SAYING IT IS NOT FROM THE MOD.

It is. And the mod himself agrees.

No, it's not. Objectively, it's not, and there's fucking precedent for this in other games, so the mod can lick my asshole if you're telling the truth.

[xRECKONERx]

I sent the mod a PM asking for clarification, explicitly. Let's see!

[Cephrir]

I don't think getting mod/shos input will hurt here. You could potentially ask as well, Wisdom.

[Wisdom]

Basically, my concerns:

-I'm not sure Reck is more likely to flip scum than shos/iec/tiershift.

Definitely.

-If he does flip town, we might do something stupid tomorrow, like lynching me, or something possibly dumb, like lynching t-bone

We won't hastily lynch anyone. I promise you that. At least if I'm alive.

[xRECKONERx]

Nah no way I'm more likely to flip scum (hint: it's because I'm town)

the ra-ra-ra behind my lynch has no substance to it, still

[xRECKONERx]

My behavior and thought patterns are genuine and town.

[Wisdom]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

Yes, because you and shos both have specifically said "oh the more I think about it the more his role makes more sense as scum bc of fuckery"

but I didn't see you saying that about Cabd's vote moving shit

I didn't see you saying that about Cephrir's vote swap bullshit

Ceph's vote swap is harmless, it does nothing.

Cabd's role I could see as scum I guess.

You have no point here. You are not scum because you have a misleading role. I do not scumhunt off roles. Your role just happens to match scum more than town and therefore agrees with you being scum.

[Wisdom]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.

Its not about the argument being bad, it's about his motivation.

[Wisdom]

p.edit: WISDOM. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT ISN'T FROM THE MOD. 'YOU GOT A MESSAGE' IS NOT SAYING IT IS NOT FROM THE MOD.

It is. And the mod himself agrees.

No, it's not. Objectively, it's not, and there's fucking precedent for this in other games, so the mod can lick my asshole if you're telling the truth.

Objectively it is. There is no way you can interpret "you received a message" as anything other than "you received a message from another player". If the mod wants to send you a message, he would just do it. It is crystal clear.

[Wisdom]

I don't think getting mod/shos input will hurt here. You could potentially ask as well, Wisdom.

Ask what? My role PM states it is noted as not being from the mod. That tells me all I need to know.

But even if it didn't, it's a no brainer that "you received a message" means "you received a message". Even preschoolers would get this.

[xRECKONERx]

Objectively it is. There is no way you can interpret "you received a message" as anything other than "you received a message from another player". If the mod wants to send you a message, he would just do it. It is crystal clear.

Are you purposefully ignoring shit to just try and push me as scum? I JUST LINKED A GAME to show how Friendly Neighbor sometimes shows up as receiving a message, and the existence of that variant of FN

alone

means just receiving a message is not fucking crystal clear.

Ceph's vote swap is harmless, it does nothing.

The points, they also do nothing.

Here's where you say, "They mislead/confuse town!" and I say, "So does Ceph's role!"

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Why am I scum, Wisdom?

[Wisdom]

My behavior and thought patterns are genuine and town.

you wish

[xRECKONERx]

WHY AM I SCUM

[Wisdom]

Why am I scum, Wisdom?

Because of everything I've said and won't repeat. I don't make cases.

[xRECKONERx]

You haven't said fucking jack shit.

[xRECKONERx]

shos hasn't said jack shit about why I'm scum, either. He has barely even mentioned me all game.

CHOO CHOOOO