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Post Post #3850 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:04 pm

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shos wrote:VOTE: iecerint

Idont buy that claim as tiwn AT ALL


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Am I to infer that when you mentioned my "shitty tracker claim" (it sounds like you think it's shitty mainly because you think the other power roles are town, though you think T-Bone is scum with me, so it doesn't make much sense, but OK!), but "lolling at tbone and reck," you meant that you thought that Reck and TBone were scum, rather than benignly amusing? Because I inferred contrast there. (That's why I asked you about it! But you didn't answer, so I still don't know!)

Am I to infer that when you complained that TS was town because the wagon was too fast, you actually meant that he was scum?
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Post Post #3851 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:05 pm

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GreyICE is voting for shos mmm let me see.
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Post Post #3852 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:06 pm

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Oh, it's just from the Rhinox stuff still...

Grey needs to catch up.
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Post Post #3853 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:10 pm

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Shos's recent posts are really stretching to find me scum while still finding T-Bone scum IMO.

His proposed 3-man (well, 4-man) scumteam is the worst for including a player he just implicitly (or explicitlyl? idr) was town (TS) and Reck, whom he favorably "lol'd" at as it was juxtaposed by explicit condemnation of my claim (along with his other scumread, T-Bone, though it's not clear why T-Bone did anything even disproportionately amusing).

I think it may have happened because he is not actually thinking very hard about who is scum and is instead approaching the thread with an agenda. This jives well with my general impression from his posting during this game.
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Post Post #3854 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:24 pm

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Fuck it.

VOTE: T-Bone

I am fine with losing to GreyICE. T-Bone has said he won't cooperate with Cephrir's plan. Bins makes it even more likely that T-Bone is scum. T-Bone scum can totally nullify Grey and me (kill grey, block me, since killing me won't stop the track).

The main town thing T-Bone has done this game is his D2 claim, and tbh he didn't really need to claim D2, anyway, so I'm not sure why it was so town. I probably really wanted my track to have gone to town.

I am completely aware that I am voting for T-Bone after making a series of posts about how shos is a terrible poster. I am basically not on board with the shos/T-Bone dichotomy that everyone seems devoted to.
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Post Post #3855 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:32 pm

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What the fuck

I havent been having lots of sex lol xD but yeah i was busy fighting with her

My theory is thatboth you and tbone are svum and your fakeclaims bith suck ass.

Tbones claim is roleblocker. He blocked a CLAIMRD NON-PR on N1 and DEAD GUY n2. He also claims to recieve a track reault.
You claim to have given him the track result *no reason*(why the fuck do you need to GUESS why you did that?) and given result to DEAD GUY onn2.

On top of the already existing scumreads on both of you I have a real easy time makong my calls here.

Choosing between reck ans TS will be done later.



Pedit: hmmm that bus. Interesting
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Post Post #3856 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:40 pm

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I am done being paranoid about Iec as of 3854.
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Post Post #3857 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:42 pm

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Tier, shos, T-Bone?
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Post Post #3858 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:50 pm

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Shos, if your concern is that I am not really a tracker and T-Bone and I fabricated it (seems pretty risky), the chance of my being able to give someone a track N2 is high, especially if T-Bone is dead, since I doubt there's another roleblocker. Like at worst I'll give it to scum and it will become 1/1 if they deny receiving it.

If I were scum with T-Bone in the Iec/T-Bone-fabrication scenario, I probably would have had him claim a result today, too, or I would have him claim to have blocked me. This is because as scum we would have consulted the wiki amnesiac definition and known that it standardly goes to the same person each night.
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Post Post #3859 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:55 pm

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Rolea may be truthful; alignments no way.

Cop+supertrCker+roleblocker+doc+other roles? Bah. I do not.

We havesome p useless roleclaims and some powerful. I think these are all split between sxum and town.

Town having doc+cop wprks perfectly with sxum roleblocker actually. You being scum supertracker is very possible but coming tothink of it tbone scum RB fits muvh better. So tboneis probably a better lynch then you for today.
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Post Post #3860 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 12:56 pm

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Theres no way a follow the cop would be possible in TEAM MAFIA.

VOTE: tbone
I should never have left that wagon
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Post Post #3861 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:01 pm

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Iecerint wrote:Shos, if your concern is that I am not really a tracker and T-Bone and I fabricated it (seems pretty risky), the chance of my being able to give someone a track N2 is high, especially if T-Bone is dead, since I doubt there's another roleblocker. Like at worst I'll give it to scum and it will become 1/1 if they deny receiving it.

If I were scum with T-Bone in the Iec/T-Bone-fabrication scenario, I probably would have had him claim a result today, too, or I would have him claim to have blocked me. This is because as scum we would have consulted the wiki amnesiac definition and known that it standardly goes to the same person each night.
1. Nit that risky actually. 2.but yiu CHOSE thedeadguy as your targets,bothof you 3. In orderto claim another reault you wipp need to favricate one. Ceph was safe since he claimedmiller. So instead you claim on rhibox. It all makes perfect sense - no far fetching. For him to block you he will need a reason. Not thay blocning rhinox is better...lol. And stabdard amnesiac goes to same person? Not random?


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Post Post #3862 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:01 pm

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T-Bone is almost certainly a legit roleblocker because Rhinox's protect didn't hit anyone N2. He also probably protected scum N1.

Pedit: If I were a scum tracker, I probably would have used my ability normatively N2, but maybe subverted it later to be fair. I also probably would've claimed a more nerfed version of it in the case where I had to fake not using it (e.g., I'd claim X-shot, or Odd-night).

I'm not really a "super tracker." It's stronger because I don't have to claim to get the result out, but it's weaker because scum can get the result. I also can't give it to the same person twice in a row, so I can't find 1 obvtown and spam them. Plus, obvtown die.
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Post Post #3863 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:03 pm

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Also, yeah, there would be no reason to claim the dead guy as a target if I could just claim odd-night or w/e, cf., your points about the sketchiness of targeting dead people.

Yeah, Wisdom's complaint about my role was that amnesiac normally doesn't pick the target. Ceph said he's played a game where my role was similarly called amnesiac, though.
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Post Post #3864 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:05 pm

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The riskiness of fabricating the role is that I have to "give" the result to scum or dead people every night, and that's asking to die before endgame and then be tied to everyone.

But you also subsequently said you didn't actually only think the roles were fabricated.
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Post Post #3865 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:14 pm

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Orrr you can use any if the dead or teammates as both ttack results receiver or the onr bejng tracjed etc etc

Can yiu target yiurself?
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Post Post #3866 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:17 pm

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shos wrote:Theres no way a follow the cop would be possible in TEAM MAFIA.

VOTE: tbone
I should never have left that wagon

What if I told you

Scum could have other workarounds, and are probably ~lying~ about them.

What if I also told you I think two of the scum haven't claimed.

Iecerint wrote:Also, yeah, there would be no reason to claim the dead guy as a target if I could just claim odd-night or w/e, cf., your points about the sketchiness of targeting dead people.

Yeah, Wisdom's complaint about my role was that amnesiac normally doesn't pick the target. Ceph said he's played a game where my role was similarly called amnesiac, though.

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Post Post #3867 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:35 pm

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shos wrote:Orrr you can use any if the dead or teammates as both ttack results receiver or the onr bejng tracjed etc etc

Can yiu target yiurself?

Do you really not understand why continuously "targeting" scumfriends and corpses is a bad strategy, or at least an extremely risky one?

Hint: As soon as I die and flip non-tracker, my entire scumteam is exposed.

I have been operating under the assumption that I cannot target myself, but the role PM actually just stipulates that I should target 2 players, then talks about what happens to the first and second target. In other words, it doesn't explicitly say "other players," but I inferred that I was excluded.

I have asked the Mod to confirm.
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Post Post #3868 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 4:32 pm

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Mala has weighed in to say that shos is scum.
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Post Post #3869 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 4:34 pm

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She also indicated that in Nexus's harry potter large game the amnesiac tracker could choose the target.
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Post Post #3870 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 7:23 pm

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Iecerint wrote:She also indicated that in Nexus's harry potter large game the amnesiac tracker could choose the target.

She provided this link to the completed game.
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Post Post #3871 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 9:11 pm

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Okay, well.

I'm when the mod forgets to send a role PM, a 1-shot self-inventor. Once in the game, I can invent and receive a 1-shot action.

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role, seeing that my role PM explicitly says my action will be 1-shot. Because of this, I have not yet invented and am looking to do so this night.

Self-inventing will count as me targetting myself so I can be confirmed targeting myself by Iece, if he's willing to track me.
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Post Post #3872 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 9:17 pm

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Iece, can you point me to your claim?

Shos, why are you okay with voting together with a big scumread?
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Post Post #3873 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 9:37 pm

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Iecerint wrote:You guys are extremely dumb.

As should be obvious to anyone who has read to any degree in this game,
I am the amnesiac tracker
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When The Mod Gives Results To The Wrong Player
. I am completely aware that T-Bone guessed this flavor almost verbatim during D2 and don't know what to make of it.

My flavor includes references to a song by The Lonely Island.

Similar to GreyICE's claim, my action includes language stipulating that abilities may alter the result that my second target receives. If I am roleblocked, the second target will not get anything. I cannot consecutively give results to the same player, but I may give results to the same player every other day.

N1 I tracked Cephrir and gave the result to T-Bone (my choice; not random). I tracked Cephrir because I thought the Katsuki wagon was ridiculously sleazy and Cephrir's vote looked the worst to me. Additionally, because he had claimed miller, I thought that a positive track would be relatively informative in his case (because miller would be less likely to have a night action I thought). I honestly don't remember why I chose T-Bone, but maybe because of his position on the Cabd wagon, as the Katsuki wagon sketchiness made me think Cabd was scum. At that point I had just arrived in Washington DC and I sent that to Magua as a stand-in result that I might edit, but I never edited it. I sent my choices to my team, too, and they thought it looked OK, so I didn't think too hard about changing it.

I thought the way he handled the action D2 was super town, which is why I was hardcore townreading T-Bone D2. It also feels good when you feel like you gave the result to town.

N2 I tracked Reckoner and gave the result to Rhinox. I tracked Reckoner because his relative apathy after 2 town lynches could indicate scum because I thought Reck could play better, but I felt awkward pushing it without information because I knew about his job drama and I felt guilty pushing Cabd for lurking when he was sick and flipped town. I gave the result to Rhinox because I thought he was obvtown but thought Wisdom would be killed.

My trackerness is obvious in my desire to interpret the tracker result D2 and in my implicit assumption that the amnesiac tracker had to be town D3. This is what I meant when I said I had "another reason" in claiming my actions that way earlier during this day phase. This is also what I meant when I kept asking Wisdom if he was intentionally pretending to be dumb to force my claim, or something similar (I may have been more indirect because Wisdom is a player whom I think pushing would be counter-productive right now even if he does scummy things). Like, I thought it could not have been more obvious. It was also implicit in my continuous assumption that the scum would "know" about the amnesiac tracker, even though T-BoneScum could have invented it.

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Post Post #3874 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2015 9:59 pm

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Finally a voice of reason. You are right shos, I had forgotten about Bins. The tracker is not town. We don't fucking have a cop + doctor + tracker + grey's role.

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