Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Iecerint]

If it's the former*.

My head hurts.

[Iecerint]

So what did he actually mean on D3?

[Wisdom]

uh. Quote which posts you mean exactly because my brain is tired.

[Iecerint]

However, there's also this:

also I know that someone targetted me tonight.

shos, explain.

Tgat has relevance to my role

Are you sure that wasn't you being targeted by Rhinox?

[Iecerint]

Magua has just responded to my question from earlier.

I may not track myself and I may not give results to myself.

[Iecerint]

I DID NOT THINK IT WAS A NIGHT ACTION AFTER WISDOM FULLY CLAIMED.

ME SAYING IT WAS ROLE RELATED WAS TLAKING ABOUT THE POOOOOOOOOOOOOOST NOT ABOUT THE CONTENT
AT THE TIM EOF THE POST I DID NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT KNOW THAT

OMFG GUYS READ STUFF IN CONTEXT

This is Shos's explanation for the ones I just quoted I think.

[Wisdom]

He posted 2159 because he was confused with his role, the result forms, whether he was targeted or not, etc. When he got accused of being Rhinox's target with people pointing to that he simply indicated to all that confusion there was with his role that prompted him to post that. Therefore relevant to his role.

[Wisdom]

also I wanna note that reading said accusation makes me think grey is scum

that switch to shos was horrible

[Iecerint]

So the logic is that his having said that PER SE (and being mistaken!) was relevant to his role. Like, "I would not have thought that I was targeted at night except for confusion about my role."

Regarding Grey, I found their iso very town when I read it 30 pages ago, but I hadn't realized that Bins had flipped Cop at the time. I hate to admit it but x3 investi is goofy. But scum roleblocker also makes a lot of sense to me and T-Bone is uwa.

[Iecerint]

Oh so it could be like "I can't explain because the explanation has relevance to my role and I would have to claim."

Rather than "something about my role, e.g. being a self-watcher, made me know that."

[Iecerint]

But I mean. Ugh. Jesus.

This game.

Which awful claim is bad enough to be flubbed but not so bad that a committee of 12 could come up with it?

[Iecerint]

I'm hoping Ooba will solve the game for me whenever he finishes.

[Wisdom]

tier's

and tbone's I guess

shos's is definitely not a fakeclaim. He is right that he is good at fakeclaims, he would absolutely not fail like that in Team Mafia of all things.

[Magua]

GreyICE has not picked up his prod. His team has been notified, again.

Vote Count 3.34

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

TierShift (4): shos, Cephrir, xRECKONERx, Wisdom
Iecerint (2): T-Bone, notscience
T-Bone (2): TierShift, Iecerint
shos (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (0):

V/LA: TierShift (May 9th)

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-	-9
GreyICE	-	-6
Iecerint	-	-7
notscience	-	-2
shos	-	-5
T-Bone	-	-8
TierShift	-	-3
Wisdom	-	-4
xRECKONERx	-	-1

[Wisdom]

also dunno if my posts give it away but my gut feels better about you, even if I dont agree with it

[Iecerint]

Ya I imagined making a meme about senpai noticing me a little bit ago but I am too tired.

[Iecerint]

Shos, how do you know that you're self-targeting?

Like, I've been a self-watcher (scum self-watcher actually but hey!) in a game before, but my role counted as passive, so I would track as no-action.

You should also explicitly confirm whether you count as having a night action.

[Cephrir]

Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

Maybe we can? Grey's role seemingly just gets innocents on 3 players. We don't know what Bins' "condition" is, but she has to deal with two millers at the least.

Unless T-Bone blocks me, demonstrating that different people can get my tracks is pretty straightforward. The only reason it's not proven right now is that Rhinox died.

Yeah, not believing this is silly

Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

I love how I was making this exact point over and over (sans-cop) maybe 30 pages ago. ^^

It's because of the cop that this is important. Cop + tracker = no.

Very much disagree with this until we throw grey in the mix. Even then I am trying to imagine it being possible but I'm not sure. Weren't there 500 investigatives in the last setup?

Iece/Ceph/Tier.

Do you really think I make posts like "it's so weird how ts and iec seem detached from the game" and also where i've been half bussing both my teammates forever?

watch grey/reck/ns be scum or something sitting on the sidelines and laughing at us.

I assume town in Tales of You because I think Ceph would have commented otherwise, but idk.

yep

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role,

this sounds like total bullshit

My role EXPLICITLY says that I will receive a 1-shot ability upon self-inventing. There is no reason for it to state that unless there is benefit by putting inventing off.

You must understand that standard practice would have been to just say something like : "Upon inventing you receive an ability".

Instead it said that I would receive a 1-shot ability. There is a reason for that.

I know that we might have been overthinking this and that there is a chance that the role would have been the same all along. But the wording implies there is something going on.

Unless you can think of a scum role that self-targets, I think letting Iec track me is a pretty safe course of action.
Of course there is chance of scum RB and such but still

Self-targeting isn't particularly interesting. This claim blows.

But yeah you are fucking scum if you are saying that it's feasible IN A TEAM MAFIA GAME that we have a cop+doc+grey's role+tracker, all town.

scum rb & ninja & strongman?? i hate this setup and also small theme games, this is why i didn't want to be in one

I don't get it. I'm only asking you to let myself prove my role tonight. If I'm not targeting myself you can lynch the shit out of me tomorrow.

So waste a track just to check something that is not alignment indicative.

Same bullshit as Ceph's bullshit.

Completely different, actually. I'm not trying to prove something that will obviously be true.

He's not, though. <_<

I guess you could check Cephrir's attitude toward T-Bone and see if he thought he was around that time. That could be telling if he was relatively ambivalent.

He is.

Ofc Ceph is going to argue "I dont think hes town", but he is and that's Ceph trying to direct a town roleblocker away from scum.

I'm relatively ambivalent

I just see way more downside than upside from tbone actually doing anything in this situation, i think he could be scum and i don't have confidence he'll be lynched if, say,grey gets no result tomorrow. also, he's not even pushing greyscum anymore, his reasons for that were always shit, and he's played too scummy to be scum all game long, but there's such a clusterfuck here that even that isn't enough to persuade me fully

Except that Shos claimed yesterday that he knew someone had targeted him so there is a descripency with his claim.

i was going to vote him here but unfuckingfortunately it just can never be that god damn easy

2. I assumed a track because of the availability heuristic.

Come again?

I knew that one of T-Bone's "actions" was a track because I gave it to him. When he claimed the result on T-Bone and you in similar fashion (at first), I assumed that it was the same thing.

this does not look great, i dont know why you would assume multiple trackers

T-Bone: I roleblocked a player so obvtown that scum killed him and the amnesiac tracker gave his result to him! Before that, I blocked piratemollie and Who!

TierShift: I get an ability after I use my ability, but I decided to just wait and not have an ability for awhile! Why rush!

Shos: Whether I was targeted depends on what your definition of "is" is.

thanks for brightening my morning

*sigh*
ok let's make order.
1. I receive a PM only if I am targetted.
2. I did not receive a "targetted" PM (don't know how it looks like yet) after both nights.
3. I was given mollie's (? or eddie's?) message immediately on the start of D2. I had a little conversation with the mod in PMs, trying to figure out if this was a night or day action, and after failing miserably (the mod is very good lol) I decided that this was a night action. only after the full claim I understood that this was a day action. I'm guessing Eddie sent this immediately at the start of the day, because it was literally minutes iirc since daystart when I got the message.

anything still unclear?

yes

i hate you for being derpy enough that i can actually possibly believe you fucked this up

Okay I believe him.

you are actually just my evil twin

I cannot ask Eddie, he is not part of my team anymore. But as I said, I believe you on that part.

I don't believe you on all the others. Are you claiming you did not trust the mod result that you were not targeted by anyone?

I'm only supposed to be getting a PM if the answer is yes, so I assume no message means no. I had a PM conversation with the mod about it early D2 but he's like a rock, and I couldn't get any clear answer from it. I assumed, at the time, that me getting the message was enough for a "you have been targetted". as I said - I do not know how a "you have been targetted" message looks like. only AFTER you had claimed your day ability it became clear, and you had your D1 message to confirm that it is DAY message, so I knew I could believe you. hence my townread on you practically all game.

omfg stop peditting me

This is a reasonable explanation of how you could have been confused D2! Good work!

also I wanna note that reading said accusation makes me think grey is scum

that switch to shos was horrible

maybe he is

i dont know anymore

i hate this game

[Cephrir]

tier/reck/tbone? tier/reck/grey?

[Cephrir]

ive suspected every living player today who isn't notscience and wisdom

[Cephrir]

and i plan to continue

[Iecerint]

if Grey is scum he's functionally a rolecop.

pedit yw for providing giggles

[Wisdom]

Cephrir - Miller Vote Switcher - When the Mod messes up the votecount
GreyICE - Night action cop - When the Mod doesn't replace players before the night ends
Iecerint - Amnesiac Tracker - When The Mod Gives Results To The Wrong Player
notscience - Hated ? - ?
shos - Self-Watcher - When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player
T-Bone - Roleblocker - When the Mod forgets a night action
TierShift - 1-shot Self-Inventor - When the mod forgets to send a role PM
Wisdom - Messenger - When the Mod just has to comment
xRECKONERx - Points Awarder - When The Mod Keeps Score


Bins - Conditional Cop - When the Mod Ties Alignment to Flavor
Cabd - Limited Vote Mover - When the Mod Doesn’t Replace Lurkers
Katsuki - 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker - When the Mod Forgets to Lock the Thread
Rhinox - Loud Doctor - When the Mod Plays Favorites[/quote]

[Iecerint]

I almost had an extra one for Reck that was like "I decided to commit suicide in the middle of D3!" but it didn't have the same punch.

[Iecerint]

GreyICE's flavor makes the least sense.