Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Untrod Tripod]

You are saying absolutely nothing about Untrod Tripod's actual posts and why they are coming from TOWN and not MAFIA, which I think is pretty damn obvious with him dodging saying ANYTHING ABOUT HIS REASONING FOR VOTING ME for several straight days and posting about absolutely irrelevant bullshit instead. I don't see how you can look through UT's iso and say that he is legitimately Looking For & Trying to lynch scum. He's not trying, and for as much generally mischevious dickery he puts into the thread, when he's town you can see he's actually trying to murder scum and biting into people in ways that will give him clues into people's alignments. He's not doing this here.

well I got Oversoul to kamikaze into me

so there's that

are you trying to claim his buddy, or are you just going to be stubborn and not admit you were wrong

optimal strategy for the scum here is to try to lynch alquin so the night will be dark and full of kills

so

all the people trying to lynch me right now are just helping scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Untrod Tripod]

and hey, mayyyyyyyyyybe some of the cause for my dicketry this game is that I knew I had a trump card sitting in my Inbox, which is what made it so goddamn funny to me that people were like omg ut so scum when I'm the fucking IC

[hitogoroshi]

VC 118 (Major Day 2, VC 6)

(4)

Untrod Tripod:

Gammagooey, Titus, ChannelDelibird, TellTaleHeart

(Cheetory6, Oversoul)

[L-5]
(2)

Formerfish:

singersigner, Shadoweh
(2)

Titus:

Eseponage, Aronis
(2)

DeasVail:

mastin2, Oversoul
(1)

Oversoul:

Untrod Tripod

(vezokpiraka)

(1)

Espeonage:

ActionDan
(1)

vezokpiraka:

Bulbazak
(1)

Gammagooey:

vezokpiraka

(3)

Not Voting:

DeasVail, Formerfish, Cheetory6

With 17 players alive it's 9 to lynch. Major Day Two will end Tuesday, May 19th, at 2PM CST.

Major Day Two Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-19 13:00:00)

Aronis, Espeonage, and mastin2 have been prodded.

[Untrod Tripod]

let's not all lose sight of the fact that there are people in this game trying to lynch the claimed Alquin, therefore taking the lock off the scum kills, rather than waiting to see if the scum take him out tonight, which they absolutely should if they're not retarded, because I'm immune to protection

there's no goddamn way scum claims this, and the Oversoul counterclaim clearly came from a place of not thinking about optimal scum strategy too hard because there isn't a world where it's not more efficient to kill me tonight

unless you're trying to play around a watcher, but it's STILL smarter to just shut up and kill me because you're getting yourself killed a day sooner by counterclaiming

[Gammagooey]

There's not a chance in hell Oversoul is scum and you know it.

let's not all lose sight of the fact that there are people in this game trying to lynch the claimed Alquin, therefore taking the lock off the scum kills, rather than waiting to see if the scum take him out tonight, which they absolutely should if they're not retarded, because I'm immune to protection

there's no goddamn way scum claims this, and the Oversoul counterclaim clearly came from a place of not thinking about optimal scum strategy too hard because there isn't a world where it's not more efficient to kill me tonight

this is ABSOLUTELY untrue. It buys you another day of living and a potential counterclaim from a town Alquin who's willing to trade themselves for a scum lynch and better information on the second lynch for outing themselves, even though it's not mathmatically the best play nobody here is playing to perfect mathematics for the damn good reason that it isn't godamn scumhunting.

[Gammagooey]

and hey, mayyyyyyyyyybe some of the cause for my dicketry this game is that I knew I had a trump card sitting in my Inbox, which is what made it so goddamn funny to me that people were like omg ut so scum when I'm the fucking IC

your dickery is from either alignment regardless of your role.

your complete lack of giving a shit about progressing the game and finding and lynching mafia is coming from scum.

[Gammagooey]

also HEY UT

HOW ABOUT ANY OF THOSE REASONS FOR MY POSTING BEING FROM SCUM?

[Oversoul]

I didn't counterclaim you UT
I fake counterclaimes you

How you bought it considering Tammy's posts when she had the slot is beyond me

[Titus]

let's not all lose sight of the fact that there are people in this game trying to lynch the claimed Alquin, therefore taking the lock off the scum kills, rather than waiting to see if the scum take him out tonight, which they absolutely should if they're not retarded, because I'm immune to protection

there's no goddamn way scum claims this, and the Oversoul counterclaim clearly came from a place of not thinking about optimal scum strategy too hard because there isn't a world where it's not more efficient to kill me tonight

unless you're trying to play around a watcher, but it's STILL smarter to just shut up and kill me because you're getting yourself killed a day sooner by counterclaiming

Yeah there is a reason why scum claim it. Get Alquin info to shoot the real one. Dismantle the wagon.

A town CC makes sense even if your real because it might protect the real Alquin.

You are missing obvious things here.

[ChannelDelibird]

there's no goddamn way scum claims this

Are you kidding

[Titus]

Oh I forgot, if UT is town, he is dead anyway, why not lynch him? Then we recalibrate for lynch two.

[Oversoul]

If he is reAlquin then the scum get three kills tonight.

[Titus]

If he is reAlquin then the scum get three kills tonight.

Which makes tomorrow lylo.

[Oversoul]

Pretty much we are fucked.

[Titus]

But we get no additional lynch days either way I think.

[ChannelDelibird]

CES thinks that lynching UT is worth the risk, especially without an obvious alternative of similar scummitude.

Patrick acknowledges that giving him a night is strictly better ... but says that UT's play is a perfect fit for scum making a false claim, and he's probably the best shot at a scum flip that we could get right now. He doesn't buy that UT actually believes in anything that he's saying, and has shown zero concern about the prospect of being run up before (As I note: Alquin doesn't want to draw a lolwagon for being a caustic nonhunter, which UT has been risking for a long time with his play in this game).

The word 'Alquin' is the only thing that gives me any doubt about this lynch, but frankly I don't think that UT is telling the truth. He makes much more sense as scum trying to draw out the real Alquin. I think he needs to die.

[Gammagooey]

UT is clearly and obviously bullshitting as hard as he can to try to come up with reasons for what he's doing not coming from scum.

Oh I forgot, if UT is town, he is dead anyway, why not lynch him? Then we recalibrate for lynch two.

this is not why we fight

we fight to lynch scum who is obviously and desperately reaching out for a reason that could possibly save him, regardless of its obvious holes and nonsensical theories.

we do not fight for bullshit hypotheticals. we do not fight for an easy "might as well" lynch.

We fight to shove through all the incentivized hesistation and bullshit and finally start winning this game.

[Oversoul]

We do if we leave him alive today. He is already baned, we could get lucky and hit another scum with our two lynches today. :shrug:

As much as I want to lynch UT and follow Gamma, I think the best course of action is to search elsewhere.

Also, now that the game has ended, Empire replaced into this game FROM a scum slot. Interesting that he chose a scum slot initially.
Makes me les certain about his replacing in.

[Oversoul]

My post was responding to Titus

[ChannelDelibird]

We do if we leave him alive today. He is already baned, we could get lucky and hit another scum with our two lynches today. :shrug:

Tell me anyone you're nearly as confident in flipping scum as UT. I haven't got anything anywhere near that.

Also, now that the game has ended, Empire replaced into this game FROM a scum slot. Interesting that he chose a scum slot initially.
Makes me les certain about his replacing in.

Why would it? Empire didn't choose to be scum, he put three tokens on being town in that game and got

super

unlucky. His replacing into here makes total sense in that scenario.

[Oversoul]

It's like 9% he gets scum. I don't actually think he put tokens on town there.

[Oversoul]

I really don't have anyone else as a scum read as strong as I have UT

[Titus]

@Gamma, Some people weigh pros and cons rather than just looking at UT being obvscum. I am one. I see little reason to keep UT alive.

[Titus]

I really don't have anyone else as a scum read as strong as I have UT

Trollol. Let's do it then. What is the best that could happen? The worst? Compare scenarios. Lynching obvscum is the right play.

[Oversoul]

I'm going to wait for more people to check in