We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[wgeurts]

Unless you all open your eyes, and vote plotinus.
BBmolla isn't getting lynched today, he's town.
There's no 1v1.

[Plotinus]

(Consider my vote to be on OC as well, but I have a policy against voting after midnight after what happened in my recently completed newbie game)

Intent to vote Plot here for a ridiculous post that serves no purpose other than to set up a later vote and make him appear hesitant ... for awful reasons. Wow.

I have a policy against voting after midnight. I will adhere to this policy regardless of my alignment. I need to be able to count and able to think properly before casting votes. How does stating this make me look better? "I need a special policy in place to keep me from accidentally derphammering" wow sure that makes me look super great. I am using sarcasm right now. No one gets brownie points for doing the bare minimum it takes not to screw things up for other players.

Also, ask yourself why I would want to appear more hesitant when people have been trying all game to get me to be less hesitant, less wishy washy, more sure of my opinions than I am? I don't. I just want other players to know what I was intending to do with my vote when it's no longer after midnight so that they could plan accordingly (voting the same as me, deciding pre-emptively that they don't want to be on a wagon with me, whatever).

Anyway it's morning and I still feel this way: VOTE: Oranje Crush

That's L-1

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 9.04

Oranje Crush (3)

- BBmolla, BRantz, Plotinus

Plotinus (1)

- Oranje Crush

Not Voting (2)

- Drixx, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

With 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-21 11:46:33).

[wgeurts]

Both of my scum reads on my wagon.
It hurts.
But fucking hammer already so you can lynch plot tommorow.

[BRantz]

@Drixx and BC: Would you rather lynch OC or Plot today, and why?

UNVOTE:

[BRantz]

The three of us are the people somewhat on the fence about this, so if we can come to an agreement that would probably be for the best.

[BBmolla]

Both of my scum reads on my wagon.
It hurts.
But fucking hammer already so you can lynch plot tommorow.

Guys if you fucking mislynch me today we loose

lol

[BBmolla]

The three of us are the people somewhat on the fence about this, so if we can come to an agreement that would probably be for the best.

PLEASE

HE'S JUST DOING APPEALS

HIS CLAIM IS FUCKING FAKE HE'S SCUM

THINK OF KURIBO

[Oranje Crush]

As compared to what you're doing?

[Oranje Crush]

In no universe does it make sense to give up a >50% chance to lynch scum in order to go after a <20% chance that may not even exist. The fact that you and Plot both are voting outside of {you, plot, BC} is really terrible.

[Plotinus]

Oranje, can you explain why I should by voting in the category of {my medium townread, self, my strong townread}? I know you were mostly talking to Molla there but you mentioned me so I'm asking.

[Oranje Crush]

It should be obvious...

[Oranje Crush]

The nuke is a mafia kill. We have 2 inno results and Brantz was out of play for a nuke after narn died

[Plotinus]

UNVOTE: Oranje

still think you are a good candidate for devour but what you said makes sense, and nuke will be easier to find than devour because 1 in 3 (1 in 2 from my own perspective) is easier than 1 in 6 (1 in 5 from my own perspective).

I'm going to reread some stuff.

Sorry for being a bit dense lately. Not going to make excuses; it is what it is. But maybe rereading will help.

[Plotinus]

Spoiler: BBmolla

Alive

Brantz

: -349 -539 -2061 =2452 =2574 -=2718 -2724 -2792 -2940 -2942 +6514 +6517 +6645 -=6664 +6682 =6703 =6757
disliked brantz early on, didn't like his claim initially, but likes it more later on by process of elimination I think.

Bulba

: =233 =569 =573 +574 =575 v899 =940 u941 = -2135 -3279 -3653 =3728 =3730 =3913 =4053 =4054 =4056 -4102 -4107 -4452 -=4517 -4849 -4897 v6066 -6070 -6071 =6078 =6079 u6080 =6083 -6269 =6277 =6283 -6408 =6412 -6414 -=6415 =6419 -=6479 -6480 -6481 -6511 -6573 =6597 +6648 =6661 =6663 =6710 =6732
Started out prompting bulba to give reads, after some neutral interactions liked their reads, confusingly naked voted for them in 899 and then naked unvoted in 941 but there were no posts by bulba between 562 and 945 so i'm super confused about this. votes them periodically and is negative towards them through most of the game, then in 6648 declares them town.

Molla can you explain your newfound townread on Bulba a bit?

Drixx

: +174 +175 =231 =245 =246 -374 v383 -389 -499 -500 =572 -576 =580 =587 -594 -706 -709 -735 =737 u743 =811 =1113 =1649 +2135 +2151 -3654 -=3852 =3863 =3891 -6267 =?6270 =6472 -=6473 -=6474 -6480 -6481 =6485 =6517 -=6588 +6645 -6663 +6666
initially found drixx's "I try to play differently each game" thing to be town but would have been willing to lynch him by post 374, mostly annoyed with driix throughout the game but towards the end is more null on drixx, or doesn't consider drixx a lynch priority

Oranje

=+?198 =222 =224 =230 =448 +?449 =459 =472 =498 =?616 =746 v1109 -1113 u1122 -1123 -?1126 -2340 -2341 -2342 -2344 =2387 -2574 -2717 -2719 v2940 -2957 -3016 -3018 -3023 =3026 -3028 -3030 -3034 -3279 -3657 v3721 -3891 -3913 -3926 -3953 -4304 -4356 =4365 -4895 -4896 -5182 -6071 v6080 -6269 v6281 -6297 =6298 =6299 -6300 +=6339 =6340 u6344 -6408 -6410 -6414 -6415 -6420 -=6434 -6437 -=6443 =6446 =6447 =6449 =6486 =6487 =6510 -6511 -6517 v6530 -6565 -6567 -6573 -=6588 -6645 v6658 -6661 -6666 -6668 -6678 -6682 -6688 -6703 -6710 -6730 -6738 -6741 -6756 -6757
initial read on them was early game useless posting, then lots of neutral interactions with them, then voted them in 1109 for not scumhunting and continued useless posting, unvoted soon after but said they were still scum, didn't like their claim and then tunnelled them from post 1109 onwards. that is a really long tunnel.

Plotinus

=707 =735 =746 =2233 =2450 =2454 =2456 =2571 =2759 =3281 -?3748 +?=5182 -6133 =6183 -6269 =6274 +6469 =6470 +6529 =6588 -6668 =6678 -6730 =6731 =6738
was neutral to me early on, thought voting boon was lazy, hasn't liked my slot that much but townread me for a while and I think he's still townreading me?

Orange/Volcano

Vonflare

-470 v743 -761 -765 -766 u899 +?953 -1109 -3279 -3953 v5285
was consistently negative of vonflare though in 953 said he might just be a VI instead, but was consistently negative on vonflare until the end. didn't interact very much though.

Vyse

v941 -943 u947 -953
starts off with a vote about vyse's 3 "content later" posts in a row, not much interaction with vyse but consistently negative against him.

Dead Town

Boonskiies

=232 -=404 -=576 +3748 -3953 -4005 +6237 +6267 +6410 +6412 +6469 +6470 +6473 +6474 =6478 +6479 =6486 +6510 =6589 =6597 =6598 =6601
Started off asking if he was town, then grew annoyed with his lackluster (lackof) catchup, eventually got back to townreading him correctly in the end.

cerebus

=?3734 +3954
starts off townreading him and doesn't interact much

chivri

-4633 =6570 =6575 =6579 =6580 +6588 -=6635
complained they weren't reading but accepted them as conftown and had some neutral interactions with them

copper

-358 =453 =796 =797 =1651 -2154 =2162 =2169 -3279
started off accusing him of semantics bullshit, mostly netural towards them but was willing to lynch them at the end

Deathfisaro

-?174 =175 -592 -1105 -1106 =1107 -2765 -3926 -3953 -4005 +4053 +4054 =4056 +4102 +4107 -?4533 =4538 =4543 +4552 =5731 =6132
Started off disagreeing about deathfisaro's take on drixx's "I try to play differently each game" thing but could see where he was coming from, in 592 he found him passive aggressive, starts defending him later during the investigation-immune/reflexive-jailkeeping thing with bulba (mostly on the grounds that he's a newbie), mostly townread them

House

-339 -340 -341 -342 -343 -345 -353 =578 =705 =4078 =4220
Started off asking if was scum or just bad at this, accepted him as town after the cop guilty on ika and didn't interact too much after that

Jackel

v2107 u2108 v2138 -2158
starts off naked voting him and naked unvoting him in the very next post, then revotes him a little bit later. it's really unclear what he's responding to with these votes.

Lucian

+170 -353 -v362 -365 -366 -369 -382 u383 v947 -953 -962 -971 -1005 u1104 =1107 =2112 +2153 =2154 =2940
Started off seeing Lucian as newbie town, then started prompting him to stop fencesitting and voted him when he didn't improve. unvotes him just after calling him scummy. revotes him later then unvotes after he claims vig. after that accepts him as town.

Magua

+498 -754 =1005 =1120 =1121 =1122 =2158 =2167 +2230 =2232
started off saying it'd be a waste to vote them, later thought their posts were sucking, but like some of their posts

Marquis

=167 =273 +345 +349 +350 +353 =355 +358 +=360 =362 +756 =760 =761 =765 =959 =961
Started out asking them a question about their role and believed them, townread them throughout

Titus

=2382 =2511 =2512 =2517 =2534 =2574 =2739 =3281 -=3852 =3863 =3891 =4091 =4107 =4220 +4349 =4365 =4430 =4431 =4447 +4457 =4544 =4599 -?=4637 =4699 -v4783 u4855 -=5862 -=5866 -=6066 +6083 -6268 -6269 =6286 =6289 =6311 v6344
neutral start, stayed neutral through most of the game but got fed up and voted for a little while but then unvoted, was mostly negative towards titus but thought titus was a distraction not scum

Toon

-760 +?1120 =1121 -v1122 -?1126 u2107 -2226 =3926 =+4633 +4635
started out negative on toon but liked other votes over them until realised toon had only 12 posts, later defends them as claimed mason

Trouser

=369 =372 +703 +705 =2716 +2723 =3279 =3891 =4349 -=5862 -=5866 =6188
started off neutrally talking with them about lucian, preferred kuribo over a bunch of people who were complaining about kuribo in 703, disagreed with them some while they were alive

Berlin/Red

Pirate Ika

: v165 =167 =355 u362 +?369 =752 =753 +?754 -2723 -2732 -2758 -2759 -2765 -2766
RVS? vote on Ika, but then asked Om for a readon on Ika so maybe not rvs. was neutral to them for a while until the guilty on them

Narninian

: -2463 -2464 -2466 -2571 -3723 =3728 =?3734 =5183
didn't like narninian's redirect onto marquis and mostly scumread them after that

Werewolves/Blue

Elusive

: =167 =198 =230 =571 -578 =579 -?580 =583 +?709 -3279 -3913 -4856 =5183 =5192 v5595
Started off asking for a read from them on Ika, was neutral for a while then mostly negative and voted them

Peregrine

: -2135 =4893 v5733
wanted to lynch them, later voted them

tl;dr

: BBmolla has not changed his mind very much this game, with the main exceptions being when someone became confscum or conftown. A few notable exceptions: he started townreading me and Bulba very recently, also started townreading Magua after a very early scumread. That's not what I'd expect from a player with 359 posts (5th most active) in a game that's been lasting 3 months. I didn't very often find his reads evolving to take into account new information from other players, except in the nobrainer cases like ozgin having a guilty on pika, lucian proving his ability with a vigshot, deathfisaro's flip clearing boon, the masons, etc. It makes me wonder if the newfound townread on me and Bulba is buddying, especially because I do feel hesitant now about voting him when he's been sticking up for me.

Also, while I was reading the ISO mainly, for each post I looked at the surrounding context a little bit to see who he was responding to and interacting with since he doesn't seem to like quotes. In the case of several of his votes, even after rereading the preceeding 3-4 pages, it was impossible to tell why he was voting the person he was voting.

I think if it is BBmolla then tropical volcano does nuke from orbit, which is not what Oranje said so that'd make Oranje devour which is what I thought anyway about Oranje.

VOTE: BBmolla

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 9.05

Oranje Crush (1)

- BBmolla

Plotinus (1)

- Oranje Crush

BBmolla (1)

- Plotinus

Not Voting (3)

- Drixx, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BRantz

With 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-21 11:46:33).

[BBmolla]

K fuck it

UNVOTE:

I'll hammer whoever is at l-1 I don't fucking care anymore we're going to fucking lose anyway.

I'm done trying

[BBmolla]

I sure hope you are fucking scum plot, cause I don't reasonably see someone being so fucking bad

[BBmolla]

I can't fucking wait for post game so kuribo can yell at you fucks for ignoring us both.

[Plotinus]

I'm not scum. I'm not great at reading people, but I'm trying. I agree with you about Oranje. But it does make sense to get nuke before devour.

I've been townreading you until now. I spent a long time looking at your ISO today. I saw a few things that concerned me. Convince that I'm going about this wrong if I am. You're at L-3. I'm not sure 3 people are going to follow me until your wagon so me putting a little pressure on you isn't going to cause a catastrophe if I'm wrong I don't think.

You have been kinda tunnelling Bulba all game but you declared him town fairly recently. Why? Changing your mind is good and it's hard to do it after a long tunnelling session so you must have a reason for it.

You have been tunnelling Oranje all game. I believe you about Oranje. But it does kinda look like your reads haven't changed much all game. On the other hand, a lot of the people you've scumread (across all scum categories) have flipped scum, so that's a big point in your favour.

Do you agree with Oranje that nuke has to be in [me, you, bulba]?

You haven't interacted evenly with all slots and I'm not sure if that means anything or not. Maybe scum would carefully keep track to make sure they talked to everyone. Maybe keeping careful track is too much work for scum. I don't know. I don't know how you being a miller affects your interactions with Volcano because if you are a miller then you don't know who they are, so you interact with them the way you interact with everyone, but how would you interact with them if you weren't a miller (but were scum instead)? I think it would affect your interactions with them but I don't know in what way.


I should have been mislynched the day deathfisaro was modkilled. It would have been better all around. I'm starting to think that there is a day when someone has to be lynched even if they're town because if they live longer they'll just continue to be a distraction. There was a slot like that in my second newbie game. They were town but if we hadn't lynched them day 2 we would have mislynched them in lylo on day 3 (instead of the other townie that we mislynched).

[BBmolla]

Why can't he be devour

[BBmolla]

Bulbas posts lately have seemed genuine and his role is unlikely to be scum imo

[BBmolla]

Oh I misread

It doesn't make sense to go for something your less confident in when everyone is pretty confident oc is scum

I claimed sk in naruto as scum and lived to endgame cause they "wanted to get other scum" who they obviously weren't as sure of.

You lynch the ones you are certain are scum

I don't fucking know if oc is nuke or devour, he is fucking scum

Please, if you want to mislynch me to lose the fucking game do it tomorrow

Just give me and kuribo the satisfaction of oc scum lynch

[BBmolla]

I have been tunneling on oc since he first started his bullshit claim.

[BBmolla]

Plot I'm fucking town, if you're scum who is not aligned with oc, help me lynch him and maybe you can mislynch me tomorrow

Just give me my oc lynch please

If you and oc are a team continue what you're doin