Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #5350 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:09 am

The only artificial mechanic that I'd endorse is a hard deadline on the first of each Day's two lynches so that we have enough time to work on each.

Titus · Post Post #5351 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:10 am

Yeah, I tried that Day 1. It failed.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #5352 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:16 am

I was in favour. Can't remember if I was around enough at the time to say as much, but I think it was good practice. Given how spread-out the votes were only a few hours ago, I think we should have kept it going Today.

Anyway, the more pertinent point that I'm trying to make is that I want to make sure we lynch scum first so that I can look at interactions to drive the second lynch, but I'm not willing to do that before we get a scum flip, so I'm absolutely not willing to let somebody else restrict choices immediately after the first lynch is agreed.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5353 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:16 am

Homework done. Pretty confident that Bulba has never used VCA before this game.
For him to rely so heavily on it, especially with no scumflips feels increasingly dishonest to me.

Oversoul · Post Post #5354 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:28 am

Wow. Aronis has done jackshit from the first day.

But then again, that is why I thought he was similar to TSO.
TSO towned it up early in the game and then got lynched for something he did later in the game. Aronis looks to be the same way. But the later half of his play is really bad. He is coasting a lot.

Bulba seems town to me. I don't think I am going to vote him. I thought he had a strong early game.

VOTE: Aronis

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5355 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:31 am

Oversoul wrote:Aronis looks to be the same way.

He towned it up earlygame in your eyes? How?
Why are you only noticing now how little Aronis has done?

Titus · Post Post #5356 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:34 am

↑ Cheetory6 wrote:Homework done. Pretty confident that Bulba has never used VCA before this game.
For him to rely so heavily on it, especially with no scumflips feels increasingly dishonest to me.

So someone trying out a new strategy feels dishonest?

On that note, how the hell is it impossible to get a wagon going when I am not committing my usual sins (besides posting a lot)?

Oversoul · Post Post #5357 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:34 am

Aronis never does anything anyway. Hard for me to try and discern his actions from what he does.
I didn't realize it was this bad. He has only been prod dodging/voting for the second half of his ISO.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5358 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:37 am

Someone overly relying on a new strategy instead of their scumhunting/how they feel about how scummy people are feels dishonest, especially since he's strong-townreading mastin. He could just use her VCAstuffs, but instead it feels like he's trying to justify the vote he's making rather than trying to figure out who scum is and trying to get them lynched.

Titus · Post Post #5359 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:39 am

Mastina's VCA was old and covered different wagons. Why not just vote one of Mastina's reads if not solving the game and sheep?

You like the Aronis votes. Aronis will likely lurk out if we lynch him. TTH should then pick Bulba as a wagon. Please stop standing in the way.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5360 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:41 am

Oh, also, if you were against lynching ffery's townreads [especially in the case of an implicit one on DV], why are you so much more okay with the idea of lynching Aronis who she was explicitly townreading? Can you talk about that?

P-Edit: I'm trying to engage things and figure shit out right now. I'm sure you can respect that I'm okay with talking about an Aroniswagon and alternatives for a little longer before committing.

Titus · Post Post #5361 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:44 am

She wasn't townreading Aronis IMO. She just said lazy town tend to lynch him. That doesn't mean lazy town can't lynch scumAronis

Understood. I am worried about the clock though.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5362 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:46 am

ffery wrote:TownTownTown

Oversoul, Gammagooey, ActionDan, Cheetory

Town

Shadoweh, Titus, Singer, GiF, Vezok,
Aronis
, FormerFish

Kinda Town:

Bulbazak, CDB, Mastin, FormerFish

Leftovers:

DV, Espeonage, tth, UT

Shortly after that big post that I linked by her.

Titus · Post Post #5363 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:47 am

Umm yeah TTH is scum in that readlist.

Titus · Post Post #5364 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:48 am

I think it's time for abandoning FFery's readslist and just try to follow her advice on how to be a better town.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5365 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:50 am

ffery wrote:Aronis - I already posted our thoughts on his meta. The way Copper took specific interest in TTH and TTH only ( which was to the point where he encouraged a push initially, and then backed off before the wagon began disintegrating) seemed pretty fucking town. scum!copper expecting TTH to townread him from that interaction alone is unlikely.

Last few things she said about him.
I really don't get how you can cherrypick and say she wasn't scumreading DV but that she also wasn't townreading Aronis.
:/

P-Edit: Okay.
That still doesn't address my concern there. Lol.
I'm not asking because I want to sheep ffery's reads.
I'm asking because I don't understand why you were applying them unfairly.

ActionDan · Post Post #5366 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:52 am

↑ Cheetory6 wrote:
ffery wrote:TownTownTown

Oversoul, Gammagooey, ActionDan, Cheetory

Town

Shadoweh, Titus, Singer, GiF, Vezok,
Aronis
, FormerFish

Kinda Town:

Bulbazak, CDB, Mastin, FormerFish

Leftovers:

DV, Espeonage, tth, UT
Shortly after that big post that I linked by her.

These changed a little I think, unless it was nachos reads. In any case if we're pursuing this route of inquiry the question could have been asked a long time ago why titus and singer didn't get along even though singer was a ffery town read.

Titus · Post Post #5367 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:57 am

@AD, There's a difference between not ly,ching ffery reads for awhile and not being true to myself. I tabled singer, as much as it hurt bc she's obvscum, because I knew FFery townread her.

@Cheetory, I didn't recall Ffery having a townread on Aronis.

Oversoul · Post Post #5368 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:59 am

I was town reading Aronis early game for his interaction with Bulba and his contributions that weren't just prod dodges.
I say we should aim for a lynch within two days so we have 5 days to discuss the second lynch.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5369 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 5:03 am

@Titus, gotcha.
Well, I'm willing to wait a day to see if Aronis/Bulba show up and respond to shit.

ActionDan · Post Post #5370 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 5:12 am

It's my impression that bulba has shown up

hitogoroshi · Post Post #5371 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 5:39 am

VC 122 (Major Day 2, VC 10)

(4)

Bulbazak:

TellTaleHeart, vezokpiraka, Cheetory6, Gammagooey [L-5]
(4)

Aronis:

Titus, ChannelDelibird, ActionDan, Oversoul [L-5]
(2)

Formerfish:

singersigner, Shadoweh

(ChannelDelibird, Oversoul)

(2)

Titus:

Eseponage, Aronis
(1)

DeasVail:

mastin2

(Oversoul)

(1)

Oversoul:

Untrod Tripod
(1)

vezokpiraka:

Bulbazak
(0)

Espeonage:

(ActionDan)

(2)

Not Voting:

DeasVail, Formerfish

(Titus)

With 17 players alive it's 9 to lynch. Major Day Two will end Tuesday, May 19th, at 2PM CST.

Major Day Two Deadline(expired on 2015-05-19 13:00:00)

Titus is V/LA until May 13th.

Aronis · Post Post #5372 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 5:43 am

VOTE: Bulba

When I'm lynched and flip town, please fulfill my dying wish and lynch Titus. Thanks.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5373 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 5:46 am

Aronis, what were your reasons for townreading TSO?

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #5374 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 5:49 am

↑ Aronis wrote:VOTE: Bulba

When I'm lynched and flip town, please fulfill my dying wish and lynch Titus. Thanks.

No. If you're town, fucking do something about it now. If you're town, you have a responsibility to not be a lazy sack of nothing. Given that you've just shown up now that there's a wagon on you, I can only assume that you have been around over the last five days since your previous post. Why haven't you been posting? Nobody is going to listen to you if you don't do anything.

If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing.