Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Oversoul]

I just wish someone would fucking cop Titus. That is all I wish for in this world.

ARONIS IS LITERALLY TSO 2.0 THIS TOWN HATES LURKERS

[Oversoul]

Singer vote Bulba with me

[ChannelDelibird]

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

[singersigner]

I WOULD LOVE A COP TO VALIDATE ME OR A VIG TO END THIS NIGHTMARE FOR ME OR A TRACK OF HER KILLING ME WOULD ALSO BE NICE SWEET VINDICTION HINT HINT WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE CDB.

[Titus]

It's similiar to your wagon reasoning to me. No read explanation. Pops on at random times and says nothing of value. I would say it's a little more than a lurker wagon. If you would call that a lurker wagon then yes.

@Oversoul, please don't. Bulba's likely town.


@Singer. I kept saying GiF was town for reasons I would not explain. That's code for cop/ongoing/secret communication/antitown to explain. Why didn't you say that rather than dressing your UT read as something more?

You are not obviously town. You likely have more posts than the mod solely about me. You have tunnelled me since day 1 in the face of all reason and logic. You are dragging this game down and making it near impossible for me to actually work with people.

I have tried that tactic as scum before. Newbie 1388. It did not work. If you're going to play scum, don't use my playbook and play dumb about it.

[TellTaleHeart]

What are your thoughts on 4ity's entry?

Sucks. Slot is still scum.

Also, since I'm still in snippy bitch mode:

rereading bulba and marquis is probably something that should happen though.

Yes, please.

Spoiler: Thoughts about Bulba, spoilered so it doesn't bias you in the reread

There are things that bother me here:
*He's a ghost in the vote counts.
*The quote-stripe catchup mode the posts are always in is a pretty easy format for scum to look participative while not actually doing anything, which is actually what make up the bulk of his posts.
*Mollie's contributions are pretty shallow and don't come off as particularly genuine.

[Titus]

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

This is what I was saying but better.

@TTH, getting to you in a bit.

[TellTaleHeart]

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

Who said this is TSO-wagon 2.0?
Whoever that was hit the nail on the head.

[Titus]

@TTH,

Spoiler: Response

What do you mean he's a ghost in the VCs.

His catchup format is the same thing he used in HU2 as town.

I liked Mollie's reaction test, although I dislike her endgame as town in general.

[Titus]

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

Who said this is TSO-wagon 2.0?
Whoever that was hit the nail on the head.

No. TSO tried when under pressure. Aronis still refuses to. After TSO flipped town, town should be contributing, not lurksacking as lynching lurkers became a thing. Yet he is very likely cashing in on hesitation.

[Oversoul]

Spoiler: Aronis town iso

@Aronis:

Hi.

Hi!

Hey, I'd love your thoughts... but please avoid emotion land if you can.

Anything specific I should look at?

Spoiler: short readslist

So the only input I have from my team is that ffery is town. So I am solely responsible for these reads.

Town:
Tammy
Marquis

Prob town:
Cheetory
DeasVail- I think he's town, I'm just not very confident in reading him after my last game with him.
Tso
Vezok
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CDB
GiF
UT
Gamma

Null:
Anyone not mentioned elsewhere.

Lean scum:
Titus- I've seen her towngame and this feels really off.
Bulba

I'm pretty happy with baning bulba at this point and I think I'd prefer it if Tammy got the boon assuming we get around to that.

Bane: Bulbazak

Boon: Marquis

I feel like she's 100% t8wn at this point and she wants it, so I'm happy giving it to her.

I still feel like Gamma is prob town and Espeonage has leapt to the top of my scumlist.

Also, what happened to 100% town marquis vote?
Any reason you're switching?

The wagon had 2 votes on it at last vc and the other vote was a scumread. So with deadline approaching I needed to swap to one of the other wagons and I preferred vezok bc he's a stronger townread than tso, plus it's a ffery supported vote. My switching had nothing to do with a change of opinion ahout Marquis.

VOTE: Telltaleheart

According to my teammate, antihero doesn't like playing as scum and tth isn't living up to town meta expectations.

Since when were we going to policy lynch someone?

Yep. So earlier you seemed to indicate a scumread on me, but now you've switched to just wanting to policy lynch me. What changed? And why are you advocating a policy lynch over lynching your scumread?

Can you please point out where I have been opportunistic? And when did fluff become a scum tell?

Can you please point out where I have been opportunistic?

Shallow read list that copies the current consensus. Votes (and yes, I include banes and boons here too) that are only on the most popular wagon. Your entire vote/read history is "let's do what everyone else is doing".

And when did fluff become a scum tell?

Are you serious?

Maybe it's because those people are obvtown and stuff, has that ever crossed your mind? If everyone had a different perception of how scum are how the hell are we supposed to come to an agreement and lynch anyone? There's been 3 votes so far, vezok was a compromise bc of the deadline plus the innocent child supported that, I announced both of my other scumreads prior to voting them so it's not like I just jumped on each wagon as it came along.

According to my teammate, antihero doesn't like playing as scum and tth isn't living up to town meta expectations.

Actually reading my posts would be a start.

The antihero replace out + tth's boon vote without explanation.

CDB's a mild townread. Bulba is a scumread.

Would like to know why you think both of these things.

CDB is now a null read. I'm not willing to disclose my read on Bulba at this time to it not being that strong and I want to be able to keep a close eye on his behavior for a while longer before being 100% sure.

This post I think is the quintessential town post in Aronis's iso.

You could just explain who your biggest scumread is and why.

I not really that sure about my scumread on you, my buoba scumread is somewhat omgus, so I'm not that sure about it. So probably one of espionage and tth (the only reason I'm as confident as I am in this one is bc my teammate agrees.)

Give me a min OK!?!

Um...

@UT...when you said you forgot that Ffery was confirmed town, does that strike you as something one alignment would do over the other, or just a generic mistake? I'm going to explain my thoughts on that lest someone mistakes that for a trick question...

As town, my priorities are finding scum; however, in the absence of an ability to do so, town hunting could be considered equally important. In this particular instance, with the locked thread, the public mistake, the missed hours of game time...all kind of flashing red lights to what's going on, don't you think? Because of this, I have a

seriously

hard time believing it was just an oversight.

So let me explain why I think this is more likely to come from scum...

AS SCUM, you're trying to trick the town, or throw shit around, or blend in, or make enough noise that people get distracted, or whatever scum-playing tactic one might have, right? It's my theory that a scumUT was more concentrated on trying to pressure/find little indescrepencies with one of the most recent posts (probably didn't matter who the poster was) that could potentially thrust someone else into negative limelight.

His priority didn't read as "is this person scum" it reads "is this person scummy."

Preview Edit:
lol, it's k, yeah that was directed at Aronis, and should've said "so was" not "so what" but I digress...

Singer, you act like ut was paying attention all that time, based on his lack of activity he could have easily never looked at the thread during that time. I for one didn't see it in thread, but in the team mafia main thread a while after it had occured. And how exactly is it alignment indicative? I highly doubt he could trick 18 people into forgetting fferys status. While UT hasn't been the most helpful player, I feel like you're pushingnsomething that isn't there right how.

VOTE: singersigner

I just didn't feel like her scumreads were legit or genuine and after reading Shadoweh's last post it solidified what I was thinking.

VOTE: singersigner

I just didn't feel like her scumreads were legit or genuine and after reading Shadoweh's last post it solidified what I was thinking.

Not legit scumreads?!?

Lol.

Walk me through this. What about my reads are disingenuious?

Who do you think is scum (ignore your current vote on me for a hot second)?

You can make up a scumread for any reason and that's exactly what you're doing. I feel like you got your scumreads out of thin air by just picking some things that were null and trying to explain it into being something scummy.

This is unfortunately, half way through Aronis's iso and where he stops really contributing to the game. His activity has been shitty across the entire site though. I don't personally hold him accountable for his absence for that reason. It seems to be real-life driven rather than scum motivated.

All of these quotes show original thought, scum hunting, earnest self reflection, organic development of reads, and just a townie nature in general.

This is why I am calling Aronis TSO 2.0. TSO had a very town early game, but dropped off and then got lynched for it. Aronis is the same way. Not only the similarity in play, but the similarity in circumstances for the wagon. It happened at the end of the day due to town frustration.
Those types of lynches are very inaccurate.

[Titus]

I just wish someone would fucking cop Titus. That is all I wish for in this world.

ARONIS IS LITERALLY TSO 2.0 THIS TOWN HATES LURKERS

So would I. Then we could lynch Singer. I don't think a cop exists if we believe CDB is town, and I do.

[Oversoul]

Mod, I messed up the spoiler in that post, could you fix it?

[singersigner]

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

I'm not gunna lie, I think scum would fight harder to live. I don't think anyone would think they could get away with one vote post, then immediately going MIA again after being MIA already.

Buuuuut, may I direct you to this juicy FormerFish wagon?

@Titus...did you really just accuse me of trying to

replicate

your play...and then

play dumb

about it...??

And seriously? You reprimanded me for asserting one players' actions/reactions onto another when they could be mutually exclusive because they're different players, and now you're seriously trying to come at me like "well I did this which was obviously the right way to do it so since you didn't do it you're soooooo sketchy for it!" You can have a preference, obviously, but even you pointed out that I was skirting his lynch for a while, so how can you say that I wasn't trying to just NOT OUT HIM FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

Actually can we keep track of all the arguments I've brought up for Titusscum and when you try to use them against me and fail? That's twice now. I mean...seriously, just stop. You're actively digging a whole for yourself.

[Titus]

@Oversoul, I just see a lot of unexplained blanket statements... :S I cannot get into Aronis's headspace and that scares me.

@Singer, Can you stop putting a wall of bullshit after everytime I try to engage someone with a fucking question.?

I bring knowledge of the opimum moves to the game. I may not communicate them well but I know them. You should communicate on nafiascum better since you have been doing this longer, yet all you are doing is making this game impossible. You should know how to communicate your reasons would be antitown to explain.

[singersigner]

This is literally all I'm getting from you right now.

[Titus]

That's because you ceased listening to anyone. Not me. Not the other players who tell you I am town. Not your team. I have done that, as both alignments. I happen to think you are scum. On the off chance I am wrong, can you see how disruptive your play is? It is impossible to have a rational discussion with you. All your posts have an agenda, lynch Titus. I am trying to not revert to my "bad" playstyle but you make it near impossible.

We have difficulties forming a single viable lynchtrain. Rather than working with people or sussing out why, you tunnel the one person going out of their way to form town unity?

Take an hour or a day and assess your play.

[Espeonage]

Hi peeps.

Got some more immediate things that need taking care of. Catching up here will happen hopefully over the next 24 hours. I might even do an old days style catchup, which could be fun for everyone.

[Untrod Tripod]

hey we have two lynches today

let's lynch singer and titus and then we won't have to read their weird dogfight anymore

[singersigner]

UT, you're really not in a position to be slinging crap at anyone for their play right now. So...maybe no thanks try again on that one.

I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!

Consider this my official intent to hammer whomever gets to L-2 first (L-2 for claims obvobv).

[Titus]

@UT, I will give you that this is a wierd thing, because Singer's tunnels look like mine. Being on the receiving end has taught me so much. I was tempted to sub out or avoid this thread given all that has happened to me IRL and Singer's tunnel making it impossible for me to communicate. I also get why people do say lynch me and whatcha gonna do if I flip town. I get it. Yet seeing this tunnel as eerily similar to my own, I am trying to figure out a way to make this more productive rather than distracting. Regardless of Singer's alignment, if we can get her to focus on communicating rather than whining, it would be better for everyone and frankly make the game enjoyable for me.

Why don't you and TTH attempt to iron out a reads list?

[Oversoul]

hey we have two lynches today

let's lynch singer and titus and then we won't have to read their weird dogfight anymore

lol

[Oversoul]

I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!

LOL

[Espeonage]

UT, you're really not in a position to be slinging crap at anyone for their play right now. So...maybe no thanks try again on that one.

I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore.

Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me

and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!

Consider this my official intent to hammer whomever gets to L-2 first (L-2 for claims obvobv).

Sorry, not up to date but bolded is hella bad and it's a cop out distance I see all the time and it is always bad news.

[singersigner]

Oh oh! It's cuz you're implying we're scum together, right?? Oh oh! AMIRITE??

Maybe you could catch up before opening your mouth next time because I'm starting to get bitter about literally everything going on right now and you're not helping by letting that be your only contribution right now.