Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[ActionDan]

Cheetory could you state why you think now espeonage is town? This is the 2nd time.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 128 (Major Day 2, VC 16)

(5)

4nxi3ty:

Cheetory6, TellTaleHeart, Oversoul, Gammagooey, singersigner

(vezokpiraka)

[L-4]
(5)

Aronis:

Titus, Shadoweh, ChannelDelibird, vezokpiraka, ActionDan

(Aronis, ActionDan)

[L-4]
(3)

Titus:

Aronis, 4nxi3ty, Espeonage

(singersigner)

(1)

Shadoweh:

Untrod Tripod
(1)

ActionDan:

Formerfish
(0)

Espeonage:

(ActionDan)

(1)

Not Voting:

mastin2

(ChannelDelibird)

With 16 players alive it's 9 to lynch. Major Day Two will end Tuesday, May 19th, at 2PM CST.

Major Day Two Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-19 13:00:00)

TellTaleHeart is V/LA until May 20th.

[Cheetory6]

My read on Espeonage is kind of hard to explain atm. A combination of a gut feeling that the lynch would have been more likely to go through if he was scum that I can't really put into words and the fact that I'm still alive atm.

[Gammagooey]

esp is town because he has an actually town mindset, which is called thus because he is thinking like town.

case closed problem solved let's all go home and have a drink

[Titus]

esp is town because he has an actually town mindset, which is called thus because he is thinking like town.

case closed problem solved let's all go home and have a drink

Can you show me examples?

[singersigner]

We can assume Mastin will vote 4nxi3ty. Consider him at L-3.

Anyone not voting either in these wagons should pick one.

[Gammagooey]

@titus-no, you can read my iso. i've literally been going on about why i think esp is town the entire damn game.

also, esp is not of concern right now. we have less than 4 days to lynch a second person, if you want to talk about shit go talk about the people who are actually maybe getting lynched now instead of unreadable tangents.

[Gammagooey]

and titus.

you have over A THOUSAND posts.

that's more than 1/6th of the game in one that started with 20 players.

PLEASE please please please please please start at least skimming through what people have already said about people before you ask for their opinions on something that's already been gone over several times before.

[Titus]

@Gamma, I never go fish in an I SO.

As for the rest, fair enough for now.

[ChannelDelibird]

and titus.

you have over A THOUSAND posts.

that's more than 1/6th of the game in one that started with 20 players.

PLEASE please please please please please start at least skimming through what people have already said about people before you ask for their opinions on something that's already been gone over several times before.

THIS

[4nxi3ty]

don't like how vezok's feels the need to state he would prefer to vote aronis

i feel like this criticism is dumb

also i'm a little surprised you aren't commenting on me voting you since you're talking about wagon hops n all

cause I don't care to talk about you. Are you feeling left out? cause I didn't talk about TTH either, or Mastin eventhough she technically voted DV

And it's not dumb if vezok is scum setting up an "I knew I should've voted aronis" the next day after my flip

Rather not claim if I don't have to

vote: aronis

[Gammagooey]

tbf, you haven't seen a lot of what i've seen regarding vezok and how he's reacted and acting to several different things and people that make him obvtown

but mostly its just not a scumtell. i can see how maybe it could be in certain circumstances but not the way he did it there. he's just sayin' what he thinks.

as for feeling left out, not really. i just think that from your perspective my vote on you would pretty clearly be the "worst", even if you don't think I'm actually scum for other reasons so attacking other people for something I would see as less bad seems pretty meh.

[4nxi3ty]

suppose I should see it as the worst because you're putting the onus on tth and oversoul for my lynch?

sheeping near-conftown on someone who you're not townreading is fine, I think.

it just felt like an honest statement when I read it

[Oversoul]

and titus.

you have over A THOUSAND posts.

that's more than 1/6th of the game in one that started with 20 players.

PLEASE please please please please please start at least skimming through what people have already said about people before you ask for their opinions on something that's already been gone over several times before.

Despite the strong town read, I'm willing to lynch her purely for this

[singersigner]

@4nxiety...do you think Titus is bussing or is this purely a survivalistic vote?

[Shadoweh]

Actually, I was making a joke out of my hammer with Bulb, but that's pretty bullshit to ask for two claims at this point right now. I'd rather it go to a no lynch than string up two people to claims and have to find a third option. Stop fishing, it's gross.

I can't believe you would have the balls to say this after hammering Bulbazak and justifying it with the claim not mattering after the fact. It's hilarious to you that you hammered someone without a claim and without giving a shit? Your attitude is the fucking reason people need to claim early.

I'm not getting off Aronis by the way. Run up every other person in the game against him, I don't care. I want THIS lynch.

[singersigner]

And your attitude is the reason my team thinks you're scum. Deal with it. There was a timeline that I stuck to and people were well aware that I was ready to vote. I'm not apologetic for trying to drive a lynch for a flip we desperately needed. I'm sorry if it hurts you personally because you felt he was oh so town, but clearly enough people disagreed.

People have been ready to string UT up regardless of his claim, even CDB people questioned...I'm saying that waiting for a claim was just going to be a waste of time and unless it was Alquin (which he already had the opportunity to refute), was not going to stop his lynch anyway. I was mostly responding to Titus trying to make it anything but pragmatic, especially given her remissed attitude with regards to keeping to a deadling for two lynches D1. This is exactly what scum want. They want chaos, they want wagons to stall, they want "clear choices" for a mislynch so why give that to them?

Sorry, not sorry.

[Gammagooey]

hey 4nxi3ty

if you've got opinions on actiondan and shadoweh nows probably the time to share

[Shadoweh]

And your attitude is the reason my team thinks you're scum. Deal with it. There was a timeline that I stuck to and people were well aware that I was ready to vote. I'm not apologetic for trying to drive a lynch for a flip we desperately needed. I'm sorry if it hurts you personally because you felt he was oh so town, but clearly enough people disagreed.

People have been ready to string UT up regardless of his claim, even CDB people questioned...I'm saying that waiting for a claim was just going to be a waste of time and unless it was Alquin (which he already had the opportunity to refute), was not going to stop his lynch anyway. I was mostly responding to Titus trying to make it anything but pragmatic, especially given her remissed attitude with regards to keeping to a deadling for two lynches D1. This is exactly what scum want. They want chaos, they want wagons to stall, they want "clear choices" for a mislynch so why give that to them?

Sorry, not sorry.

I never said I thought he was 'oh so town'. I don't think I gave an opinion on Bulba yesterday. You're confusing me for mastin and Titus. It doesn't matter what you think of someone, you let them fucking claim. How is that hard to understand? There are claims besides Alquin that could stop a lynch like oh, CDB's which you bring up as an example of claiming being pointless despite him not being lynched because of it. You can't say you were justified just because you were lucky twice in not hammering someone important. Because you seem ready to push for making the same mistake again, which is exactly what scum want. Don't be so reckless, I'm asking you to be reasonable because your opinion matters a lot to this game.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Anx

I will happily immediately switchback if the opportunity arises. Picking Anx because the wagon composition of Aronis looks bad.

[singersigner]

My opinion matters so much in that no one is listening to it, right? You were the only one who bothered commenting on my team's case on you despite the botched tags, two-ish people bothered responding to my Titus case...it doesn't really seem like anyone gives a shit about my opinion as long as they can deduct I'm town for them, which is, I guess, half the battle.

People shouted at me for not hammering Espy, and now people are pissy because I hammered Bulb too quickly. I get it. It's the town thing to wait for a claim. I feel like he would've been available with an emenent lynch if he felt there was something worth claiming to be honest, and we can ask him after the game, but I don't think he would've realistically thought that would've bought him a day. It would've sounded like a scum claim anyway, especially since he was trying to convince people earlier in the game (with Titus, iirc) that any vig claims should be treated as scum claims, even though his role implies there could be a secondary killing role in the game to be protected from. It would've sounded like he was trying to set up a vig claim for failure from the beginning, knowing he could theoretically be protected from them anyway.

Anyway, point being, I get why you're mad. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that I wasn't necessarily wrong because people were starting to talk in circles like they are with Aronis/4nxi3ty and I didn't want the same thing to happen with them as it did with Espy.

[Titus]

Prod dodging just til Sunday, hopefully. Just make sure everyone says their piece, including a claims discussion. Expect a big wall when I get back.

[Shadoweh]

Oh my lord, we should have just let LLD get quicklynched for being zoraster-confirmed scum. ._.

People care about your opinion, singer, that's why Titus was getting traction at all despite most people not wanting to lynch her. In this case though I mean you make an impression on people, if you don't care everyone else is going to follow your example. But okay. Motivation to push forward is a good goal in itself. Do you see that the group on Anx right now is the same block that were on the other lynches?

[singersigner]

Ok, I appreciate the sentiment, but I really don't think I have enough power to motivate any more people who don't care to care even less. But to follow your point, there's only been two other lynches, and the first was practically a copout for half the people who joined it. It would take a lot of convincing to make me believe literally anyone on 4nxi3ty is scum right now. I think it's pretty bullshit to assume there had to be scum on any particular wagon at the rate this game is going, so I'm not using that as a means for supporting the wagon I'm on until there's a scum flip and we can actually look at the votes/interations.

[Cheetory6]

The leadery people in this game are fucking sucking.
I seriously wish ffery was still in the game on the merit that at least she fucking tried.
I don't know if you're all town, but Gamma, mastin, TTH, oversoul and even maybe CDB/UT need to get their fucking head in the game and start actually putting some weight into this game.

We have two more lynches realistically at this point.
Short of some kind of nightmiracle or a really lucky lynch today, we're basically fucked for the rest of this game.
Can we do better than "OH THIS WAGON HAS GOOD PEOPLE ON IT WHO ARE NAKED VOTING FOR SOMEONE".
I'm being guilty of this, but like jesus guys this game is so devoid of effort atm.
Like, I'm legitimately starting to look at everyone funny because there's no fucking way that scum aren't laughing their asses off at this gamestate right now. It wouldn't shock me at all if both 4nx and Aronis were both town and scum were capitalizing on our shitty apathy for an easy win.

Aroniscase boils down to "oh man he's not posting much and isn't scumhunting much" which is historically never the sort of shit that scum pushes mislynches on, right?
4nxcase boils down to "mastin thinks he's scum [which is probably a good reason] but also DV was apologetic too much and 4nx's catchup is self-centric!" which is so okay it makes me want to flop over and bury my head in a pillow.

This game is becoming a fucking chore. Someone with some kind of energy put some kind of actual fucking effort into convincing me of something in this game.

I would [and probably will once I'm done moving today], but I feel like nobody gives a shit about anything I've put effort into and it's killing my drive to want to try in this game. When I make a case on someone and maybe like 1-2 things in it will get talked about and then everyone will just shrug and move on to sheep a vote made by someone with no reasoning on it. There's probably too much content in this game for everyone to look at, but we need to be doing better than how we're doing right now.
Maybe I'm being panicky for nothing and both Aronis and 4nx are scum and we're about to hit the jackpot, but I have a hard time feeling okay when my lynchpool is three lurkers and everyone is just shrugging, not thinking critically about whether either of them are actually scum or not and voting for whoever their friend tells them to.
Bleh.
The people who are least guilty of this are singer and Titus, given their mutual-tunnel and given the lack of willingness to deal with them by just about everyone I will seriously be shocked if one of them isn't right and the other is just hoping we don't deal with them before endgame.
I'm gonna try my damn hardest to sort through and actually really think about Aronis, DV/4nx and two or three other people before the end of this cycle. Can literally anyone else promise me the same level of effort?