League of Legends (Old)

mykonian · Post Post #41650 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:31 am

↑ PJ. wrote:
I never said she was bad? I said she was already probably the best? And I agree she never was explicitly bad but she was weak when the Meta revolved around the early game smashers, especially when blue side could do golems.

was mostly to the "go ashe go" from iec. Giving a sizable damage buff to a champ that's out of the meta, but not bad explicitly, seems ill advised.

KaleiÐoscøpe · Post Post #41651 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:52 am

Ashe W and E are most definite nerfs. She's gonna miss out the +3 gold on cs. But her new kit seems really good as a dualist.

Iecerint · Post Post #41652 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:53 am

Her new E active is better, though. That's what he's referring to.

The gold generation passive was powerful, but scarcely noticed.

mykonian · Post Post #41653 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:55 am

↑ mykonian wrote:ok, I hadn't had a good look at reworked ashe before, so might as well.

Passive is funny. She basically gets 10% crit chance on auto's past the first. IE is probably even slightly worse than it was before given that the free "crit chance" is unmodified by the bonus crit damage.

Her q is the amazing bit, they moved away from the original concept. She gets real scaling. Before she was goaded into the pure carry build by the lure of a free crit, now you've got a real reason here with the active that gives her 90% bonus damage in a prolonged engagement. Like, what? I get it's conditional and not quite rapid fire (longer cd in real application, 1 sec shorter, 20% less damage), but trist isn't supposed to be a utility adc, ashe was, right?

So... what was given up? Some slowing power early, hawkshot cd early (but it got a lot better).

Idgi. You picked ashe for the slows and the initiate, and were happy with the damage she'd bring anyway with ie/pd. Now somehow she's got semi lategame carry scaling on top of the utility?

Rethought this post, 90% bonus damage is generous, only works as long as you don't have attackspeed elsewhere. So that falls off after the IE has been bought.

Then, so does the attackspeed trist gets, the 35% damage increase ashe gets is more valuable late.

Either way, it's silly.

Klazam · Post Post #41654 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 3:16 am

holy fuck ashe is silly

Elmo TeH AzN · Post Post #41655 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 3:30 am

Well. Made it to S4 where I ended last season. Been using nautilus to climb. And support morg.

JasonWazza · Post Post #41656 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:18 am

↑ Iecerint wrote:Black Cleaver is almost as good for her personal aa damage as Last Whisper if you manage her Focus passive well, and it gives 400 HP, 20% CDR, and benefits teammates. ^_^

I thought the Q wasn't meant to proc the 5 BC stacks (as it's only meant to apply on-hit effects ONCE) so this may be a bug.

EDIT: Although i totally want to see an On attack team with an Ashe to see the luls (IE: Nami, Lulu and any other champs) in one shotting someone with magic damage as an ashe with Q

Siveure DtTrikyp · Post Post #41657 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:57 am

BC isn't an on-hit effect though.

JasonWazza · Post Post #41658 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:05 am

Ah i thought it was, nvm me then.

Iecerint · Post Post #41659 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:35 am

BC only applies once for on hit, but multiple times for on physical damage.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #41660 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:21 am

↑ Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:BC isn't an on-hit effect though.

I'm pretty sure it is since Runaan's can proc it.

ISO · Post Post #41661 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 8:25 am

has TF supp always been a thing? this is my second game in as many days with a TF support.

JasonWazza · Post Post #41662 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 8:39 am

↑ zoraster wrote:has TF supp always been a thing? this is my second game in as many days with a TF support.

It's always been a "thing" but some pro has probably played it, i have seen like 4 in the past week.

ISO · Post Post #41663 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 9:05 am

it was atrocious. it's like a worse taric because his stun is obviously coming.

PJ. · Post Post #41664 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:07 am

It's like a worse taric for so many more reasons than that. Mostly because taric is the best.

Brandi · Post Post #41665 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:32 am

↑ mykonian wrote:
↑ Brandi wrote:
I think this gif can apply to many situations in this game.

hmm

we didn't show off our best side, did we

You're so silly. You guys are great <3 I just thought it was funny, and I was remembering many past experiences with randoms and definitely not my mafiascumbuddies :3

Siveure DtTrikyp · Post Post #41666 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 12:45 pm

BC is on applying physical damage. Runaans does physical damage so yes it procs on that.

Does ashe's q count as like 5 attacks?

Glork · Post Post #41667 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:28 pm

Ashe's Q counts for each arrow that hits. Idk how many stacks that is per AA, but it seems like it might be worth a try.

Cabd · Post Post #41668 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:31 pm

Servers made of swiss cheese today, it seems.

notscience · Post Post #41669 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:01 pm

is anyone up for an inhaus tonight

dramonic · Post Post #41670 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:02 pm

I am!~

Iecerint · Post Post #41671 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:05 pm

↑ Glork wrote:Ashe's Q counts for each arrow that hits. Idk how many stacks that is per AA, but it seems like it might be worth a try.

Four stacks

notscience · Post Post #41672 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:10 pm

alright guys ill start making the lobby

add badscience if you want in

Elmo TeH AzN · Post Post #41673 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:25 pm

↑ Cabd wrote:Servers made of swiss cheese today, it seems.

I thought it was just me

Psyche · Post Post #41674 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2015 2:34 pm

is swiss cheese good or bad