White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The kill heading into LyLo is usually the most informative; I'm not big on NKA in most other situations. For the most obvious reason as this is the most important stage of the game.

And yet no one agrees with you. That's not a coincidence. Same way it's not a coincidence Zach got killed. I also can't help but note that again you're avoiding dealing with my motivations (specifically here, why I'd keep Anti alive over Zach) by appealing to general principles without regards to applicability (i.e. scum had just as much motivation to use the nightkill to keep themselves alive D4).

Ika, I strongly suspect you're going to be the deciding vote the way Ank has been angling himself, so look at this and see how little sense BBT's conception of mescum makes. He's not scumhunting, he's not looking at me and thinking about why I'm playing the way I'm playing - he's trying to find arguments he can push, he's just applying rules. He keeps dressing it up, but his scumhunting is hollow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No one agrees with me because every single person is scum reading me. Just like nobody has agreed with me all game (which I knew would happen way back on D1 and is why I got so pissed at the start of the game)

I have provided many reasons for why you're scum. Please, stop acting like I haven't done so. It's ridiculous.

You're right though, I am prob conf biasing on you now and I honestly don't care. I know you're scum, I want you lynched.

[Ankamius]

Or he could've pushed for BBT instead. You'd get on board with that and you could then argue from then on that no one makes sense as a partner to elk. Yeah, it's risky, but if it had been you-elk, I think the situation called for some risk.

The question is why you voted elk when you thought elk only made sense as BBT's buddy. You're making the motive abundantly clear from the perspective of Ank-BBT.

Okay, so what scum motivation would I have for trying to link my scumpartner as the only possible link to the slot that's most likely to be lynched in the first place? Considering that BBT at the time wasn't a significant lynch possibility.

Antihero, theelkspeaks, and Regfan were townreading him.
ika and you were scumreading him.

My plan was effectively to throw shit on my scumpartner, then get rid of two of the three people that were shielding him from being lynched, then open up by pointing the finger to him as scum. Is that what you're arguing?

[Ankamius]

ika: Mollie wants to tell you that she agrees that it's probably Reg/CES.

Mollie interpreted it differently than I intended it to be interpreted, so I'm going to state that she was specifically agreeing with me here.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 5.05

Not Voting (5) - Ankamius, BlueBloodedToffee, Cogito Ergo Sum, ika, Regfan

With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, May 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-29 15:30:00).

[ika]

CES i ask again, whats the scum case on ank?

we can sit here all day and wall each other or someone here can spit out a fucking vote.

by the chart im the most town read so it shouldnt be me. and by the chatr BBT is universal scum read so i would argue he should vote but due to him being ego and scum reading me im dismissing it.

so CES/reg/ank one of you will need to put down a vote edventaly to move it foward and if you belive im going to be vote decider CES you should start with a vote

[ika]

seriously nothing from anybody?

well ill be here for an hr or so if anyone wants tot alk

[Ankamius]

I'm basically waiting for CES and Regfan here; also stuff from my team to sync with.

[Ankamius]

ika: How long are we going to pretend to not notice that CES and Reg are pretending to be awful at this game?

[ika]

ika: How long are we going to pretend to not notice that CES and Reg are pretending to be awful at this game?

Not notice? are you kidding i have seen it and been pointing it out.

Im still trying to figure out why CES is trying to conivnce me of scum!you when he could jsut vote BBT since thats the scum read we both agreed on at the time

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES i ask again, whats the scum case on ank?

I already posted this in 2011.

Ika, the point of not voting is that if we start voting, every single townie needs to vote correctly. If it's Ank-Regfan or BBT-Regfan*, loose votes just lose us the game. On that topic, I will also note that Regfan seems like an objectively better lynch to me considering BBT-me is obvious nonsense and the way Regfan seemed protective of me Yesterday - it loses to me-Ank but that shouldn't be an issue if you're town-reading Ank.

*This isn't nearly as absurd as it first seems. I was thinking about how I would've played it if I'd been scum with Regfan. Different nightkills is the obvious #1 thing, but Regfan pushing me Today wouldn't be a bad shout - given Ank's stated opinions, it would force a showdown between me-Ank and Regfan-BBT and then I get to take advantage of your town read on ika to get BBT mislynched, easy-peasy.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, this just occurred to me - if I were scum with Regfan, why the hell would I hammer elk? Literally the last thing elk did was commit unconditionally to his tunnel on ika so if I get BBT lynched, I don't have to deal with a LyLo that's tilted against me.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Reg lining up to vote me is scummy as fuck. Reasons for thinking I'm scum in your next post would be great.

I should be reaching out to you and Ank? Neither of you have fucking been here, it's been me talking to both scum on my own. Ank has recently started contributing and now so have you (one post doesn't quite cut it though).

Reg, do you have any comments on anything I have posted over the last few pages? Anything at all?

I'm also going to point these out. I think it's obvious that you're going to be the decider here, ika (which is another reason why votes seem superfluous at best right now). BBT can see the same thing and has started discrediting Regfan. This makes perfect sense for BBTscum and is absolutely not the reaction of BBTtown that thinks you are scum.

I mean, BBT's position is pretty much unwinnable here if I were scum with you, ika, and his posts don't reflect that at all.

[ika]

CES i ask again, whats the scum case on ank?

I already posted this in 2011.

Ika, the point of not voting is that if we start voting, every single townie needs to vote correctly. If it's Ank-Regfan or BBT-Regfan*, loose votes just lose us the game. On that topic, I will also note that Regfan seems like an objectively better lynch to me considering BBT-me is obvious nonsense and the way Regfan seemed protective of me Yesterday - it loses to me-Ank but that shouldn't be an issue if you're town-reading Ank.

*This isn't nearly as absurd as it first seems. I was thinking about how I would've played it if I'd been scum with Regfan. Different nightkills is the obvious #1 thing, but Regfan pushing me Today wouldn't be a bad shout - given Ank's stated opinions, it would force a showdown between me-Ank and Regfan-BBT and then I get to take advantage of your town read on ika to get BBT mislynched, easy-peasy.

Yet in your 2011 post you also state you are going to vote BBT, you should also understand this is white flag so trying to convince me of scum!ank when lynching scum BBT end the gaem seems counterporductive and pointless no?

In your second phragraph, i dont care about objective lynches. I understant YPOV but that relies on you being town which im not convinced of so thats not going to happen. Also its not nonsense to see a you/BBT who are trying to avoid voting each other in the lylo right now due to it being white flag

Third pharagraph: walk me though your gameplay if you were scum with reg. Like tell me who you would myslynch and kill. Make an entire gameplay and show me how it would be argubly diffrent

Also, this just occurred to me - if I were scum with Regfan, why the hell would I hammer elk? Literally the last thing elk did was commit unconditionally to his tunnel on ika so if I get BBT lynched, I don't have to deal with a LyLo that's tilted against me.

Myslynch is myslynch. It was pretty much falling into a you or elk edventaly or do you think BBT could get my myslynch off?

Reg lining up to vote me is scummy as fuck. Reasons for thinking I'm scum in your next post would be great.

I should be reaching out to you and Ank? Neither of you have fucking been here, it's been me talking to both scum on my own. Ank has recently started contributing and now so have you (one post doesn't quite cut it though).

Reg, do you have any comments on anything I have posted over the last few pages? Anything at all?

I'm also going to point these out. I think it's obvious that you're going to be the decider here, ika (which is another reason why votes seem superfluous at best right now). BBT can see the same thing and has started discrediting Regfan. This makes perfect sense for BBTscum and is absolutely not the reaction of BBTtown that thinks you are scum.

I mean, BBT's position is pretty much unwinnable here if I were scum with you, ika, and his posts don't reflect that at all.

Pointint out someone who is building up to vote you is very scummy in a lylo. Also i find those to be rather real and not all that discredity.

Again you keep acting like im decider. If you are so confident in the ank/BBT just god damn vote. We get nowhere by not voting and trying to avoid it and keep telling me im decider is stupid

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Fine. I'm pretty much ready for this game to be over anyway if I'm wrong about BBT.

Vote: BBT

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2060 - Haha, I can't be scum with Regfan because this is absolutely not how we would play this game. That's some of the weakest shit I have ever read.

I remember thinking it was you/Reg quite some time ago and I'm pretty sure people laughed at me/laughed it off like I was crazy.

I dismissed it because of how sure I was that ika was scum and all 3 of you being on the same wagons/lynches just didn't make sense to me at all.

Now though, we have flipped scum. And this changes everything because all 3 of you obviously cannot be scum together.

Am I really wrong about ika? Have I just held a grudge for way too long? Is ika walling a sign that he truly is town? (in case CES tries to somehow use this as a reason for scum reading me, it's a joke).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

An apt time to vote when it appears the tide is turning on you.

I'm ready to get serious.

VOTE: CES

[ika]

now rge and ank need to come in and give their imput.

oh btw reg, i would like to see your vote too since you seem to be follwoing CES read

[Ankamius]

Not scum with ika.

[Ankamius]

Now that that's out of the way, I'm going to sync up with my team before coming to a 100% decision because we're split on which of CES and BBT is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

All you need to look at is the real important information. The information that has just been presented to us.

CES has just voted now; just as the idea of a CES/Reg scum team is being floated around.

He is trying to stop that from gaining any traction.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Am I really wrong about ika? Have I just held a grudge for way too long? Is ika walling a sign that he truly is town? (in case CES tries to somehow use this as a reason for scum reading me, it's a joke).

God, lynch this with fire.

[ika]

ank, i want regfan to talk first before you jump vote

last time this happened at robbery at casino GC voted wrong person

[Ankamius]

I'm fine with that. I can't give any timescale of when we'll be synced up anyways.

[ika]

I'm fine with that. I can't give any timescale of when we'll be synced up anyways.

im fine im more waiting on reg to see if hes going to back up his accusations and vote BBT as well or try to sidestep