Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[singersigner]

Must be a scum claim!

[Cheetory6]

We still have a day and the wagons are both at like L-2/L-1.
I think we can manage with waiting a little while longer.

[Titus]

We still have a day and the wagons are both at like L-2/L-1.
I think we can manage with waiting a little while longer.

Put a deadline on it then IMO like I did with Bulba.

[singersigner]

I wanna see Mastin get mad at Titus for not lynching 4nxi3ty when he was *this close* to a lynch.

[Oversoul]

Mastin supported Aronis lynch too I believe.

[Aronis]

I'm a town self-watcher of sorts.

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: Aronis

My team has thoughts they want me to post, and I have some pages to read. I might die tonight, so gimme a few mins

[Oversoul]

I'm a town self-watcher of sorts.

brb

Shitting pants

[Aronis]

When I'm lynched and flip town, please fulfill my dying wish and lynch Titus. Thanks.

Reminder.

[Cheetory6]

Are you going to explain it more?

[Untrod Tripod]

self-watcher is definitely a possible scum role

just saying

[Untrod Tripod]

stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil want one of my four preferred lynches! there's no reason we have to lock ourselves into these stupid lurker lynches other than self-defeatism or scumdriven intertia!

[Oversoul]

I will rise again from your ashes UT I just need sanctity

[ChannelDelibird]

So UT's post last night was the first post in aaaages that made me think that perhaps, under all the bullshit, UT could actually be town. I mentioned this reaction to my team and asked for thoughts as I went to bed.

Fenchurch did not have the same reaction. She thinks that the 'I'm an IC' comparison is a bad one, as he's not been proved by the mod as being what he says he is, and the role that he says he has is one with a strong incentive not to counterclaim him if he's lying, as well as one which the scum are incentivised to drag out into the open. She says that UT calling himself an IC is like a doctor calling themselves an IC in an open setup. Personally, I think it's

possible

that townUT would use the phrase 'I'm an IC', but I find it harder to forgive him actually

playing

like one. Still a lot of question marks, and there are a lot of ways in which scumUT could spin being alive Tomorrow, one of which I mentioned here (though, on the chance that a non-UT scumteam hadn't thought of that, I regret having said it, valid though it is).

CES thinks it's funny that UT tried to call where we're at "early game", as if it would fine to avoid scumhunting for 200 pages.

In the last few hours, Fenchurch added her belief that UT's failure to vote for either of the two leading wagons for as long as he did was another bad sign.

Ultimately, I hope that UT flips town overnight, because I'd really love a shut book on this one, but Fenchurch remains convinced that he's scum and I'm still in a position where I have to reach to explain his actions as town, even though I am rather more paranoid that I might be wrong than I was before.

Next: Thoughts on Titus claim, 4nx and general recap of Goo reads in case we are imminently dead.

[Titus]

self-watcher is definitely a possible scum role

just saying

It's bullshit. He never once counterclaims TTH, even though TTH claimed he would be watcher if we unlocked him. So now Aronis is a self-watcher. Don't think so.

I have never targeted Aronis with an ability this game.

[ChannelDelibird]

4nxiety says that Cephrir suggested Empire for a Minor Night 1 trace.

Why?

Ceph must have had a reason for that. What was it and why not volunteer that reason when I asked about it? Fenchurch thinks that the lack of explanation is probably because it was a scummy reason. Patrick is more equivocal, but 4nx ought to explain if he is around.

The Goo agrees with Gamma here that Titus's claiming for her stated reason looks town, just that her conclusions are off. Her claim backs up that someone can change signs but, without mod confirmation that it's a town ability, we see no reason why this couldn't be town being informed about a scum power. It would be an entirely reasonable balance on a (potentially quite dastardly) scum power, and note that Titus's claim doesn't support the specifics of 4nx's, just that his sign

can

change.

Fenchurch has been pushing for me to vote 4nx over Aronis for a couple of days (my reasons for preferring Aronis aren't anything that isn't already in my iso, but either is basically fine with me). As of now, she thinks Titus's claim points more towards 4nx being scum than town, and she thinks his non-explanation for tracing Empire is shifty.

She also notes that Aronis hasn't been voting for 4nx, his counterwagon, which leads her to suspect that, if Aronis is scum, 4nx is also scum.

PEDIT: That's a good point by Titus that TTH's claim makes Aronis's look worse. I'm debating with Patrick right now just

how

bad, but my instinct is that it's bad.

[Gammagooey]

wait

i am going to turn all this bullshit into a learning experience

it will probably only make the game worse but i can prove a dumb point at least

titus let's go step by step. why would aronis counterclaim tth? go down to the most base level of why someone claims their role in response to another person claiming.

[Untrod Tripod]

CES thinks it's funny that UT tried to call where we're at "early game", as if it would fine to avoid scumhunting for 200 pages.

CES isn't stupid enough to conflate pagecount with information

[ChannelDelibird]

IF I DIE, THESE UNANIMOUS GOO READS GO ON MY TOMBSTONE TO BE OBEYED

singer is town.

Gamma is town.

TTH is town.

Cheetory is town.

Oversoul is town.

[Oversoul]

I'm on a tombstone yay : ]

[Untrod Tripod]

curious why your reads should be obeyed when your entire team is 100% wrong about me and my motivations and one of those people will probably flip scum, but ~whatevssssssssssssss~

[Untrod Tripod]

oh, right

you're probably scum and it's WIFOM

that's right

[Titus]

Spoiler: Aronis ISO post TTH claim

I see you already made the choice. :S

The creation-aligned player in question was me and the ability that would've been unlocked was a watch. I knew pre-game that the choice on Minor Day 2 involved the lock on the watch ability. I had assumed the choice would be between me and another town special being unlocked and that's why I said I would be confirmed.

Bane: Mastin

Boon CDB

VOTE: Espeonage

Espeonage and Titus are by far the best choices.

Alright.

VOTE: Titus

Shut the fuck up with this townbLoc nonsense

That shit is not useful or townmotivated

^^^^^

Why?

Also, why would you think Espy and I were scum together, despite Espy and I being at each other's throats most of the game? That just looks like reads of convience playing both sides so their happy.

We're both town btw.

Espeonage is scum for what happened yesterday at the end of the day. You're scum for playing antitown and don't even get me started about your mindless sheeping of ffery.

VOTE: Bulba

When I'm lynched and flip town, please fulfill my dying wish and lynch Titus. Thanks.

Aronis, what were your reasons for townreading TSO?

His early posts were super town. People wanted somebody to die and who better than a defenseless player with nobody attempting to stop his lynch.

I just wish someone would fucking cop Titus. That is all I wish for in this world.

ARONIS IS LITERALLY TSO 2.0 THIS TOWN HATES LURKERS

And loves the super over active Titus who is obvscum.

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

Who said this is TSO-wagon 2.0?
Whoever that was hit the nail on the head.

No. TSO tried when under pressure. Aronis still refuses to. After TSO flipped town, town should be contributing, not lurksacking as lynching lurkers became a thing. Yet he is very likely cashing in on hesitation.

Tso tried and look what happened to him. He died anyway. So this is me not wasting my precious time only to end up dead.

I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!

Welcome to the club!

Okay, I've had enough depression for one night, I'll read 5450-70 the next time I think about joining a mafia game.

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I'm a town self-watcher of sorts.

@Gamma, You know that theory about weak investigative you claimed. This is it right here.

Adonis hands down loses in a battle with TTH if he counterclaims. The first thing he does is bane Mastina after his counterclaim.

Later to start the major day, he wants me or Espy. I ask him why. He never answers and suddenly I am his tunnel target to the end of the earth.

His hypothetical results could not have been we acted on him the prior minor night because Espy claimed to track me, and I claimed to track Singer. Unless Espy lies out of the blue to support a bus (even setting aside the fact I traced Singer) it's ludicrous.

Yet doctor, watcher, tracker are all taken.

[Titus]

Who wanted Mastina banned at the time Adonis naked baned Mastina... TTH.
So yes, I think this is transparent, save himself claim.

[Gammagooey]

jesus can you miss a point titus

why would aronis think TTH would be scum? people only counterclaim other people if they think the person they're counterclaiming is scum.