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[Cuttlefish]

Oranje Crush

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Leopard Society Serial Killer Commuter

- Lynched day nine

PM me if you want a shortened twilight/night. Posting from phone, deadlines and such will be updated later.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

OC probably wasn't lying about the shot.
Which leads to the question of why BBM's not dead.

I'm not sure I like that train of thought.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

(-V. For once.)

[BBmolla]

holy shit wow I really look like final scum here

we have two lynches right?

we should lynch me tomorrow, there's no way I'm risking a mislynch on me in LYLO.

[Plotinus]

oranje, why were you townreading bbmolla if you tried to devour him and he wasn't devoured? were you lying back then?

[Oranje Crush]

Yes

[Plotinus]

thought so, just checking.

[Cuttlefish]

v/la until tuesday, pm me if you want a shortened night. deadline is in 24h

[Cuttlefish]

My apologies for the late opening. My V/LA is now over.

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Vote Count 10.00

Not Voting (5)

: Plotinus, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Drixx, BRantz, BBmolla

With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-06-01 21:10:00).

[BBmolla]

Alright so we should lynch me today. Unless ya'll are super confident in me being town, just lynch me today, I'm not giving scum that easy ticket tomorrow. Scum planned it so fucking perfectly to frame me you guys are gonna be legit shocked when I flip town and then see this shit from my perspective.

I'm fairly confident it's Plot. If it's BRantz fuck the mods, and if it's Bulba, they fooled me.

I can do a bit more looking before my lynch to give you guys more to work with

[BRantz]

VOTE: Plotinus

I feel very confident about this.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

VOTE: Plotinus

I feel very confident about this.

No. Don't even go there.

Everyone is going to either explain EXACTLY why BBmolla is still alive, or BBmolla dies today. There are no if's, and's or but's.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Obviously still Ivy.

[BBmolla]

cause scum fucked with shit

but it's k

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

cause scum fucked with shit

but it's k

Really? How?

[BBmolla]

All I know is I'm town.

just lynch me, see flip, it's fine. I don't blame you for not believing me.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

You know I can't just accept that.

[BBmolla]

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

BRantz, you need to explain right now why BB is alive when OC claims they shot him, why OC is lying if you don't believe them, and why Plotinus over BB.

Drixx, Plot, you need to do the above as well, with whoever else instead of Plot for the latter of you two.

[Drixx]

Oranje claimed to be the devour kill flavor. We had not killed scum before him and after the last nuke from orbit kill. Ergo, we should never have expected a kill at the

start

of today. The presumable final scum has a distinct advantage with his kill coming at the end of the day. We have to lynch (or no lynch) before we have any additional information to work with.

Oranje was scum ... so why are we taking anything he said as gospel truth? OC had devour as a kill flavor but "shot" BB? Setting aside semantics, haven't you claimed to be reflexive jailkeep? That would be the only explanation among claimed roles that makes sense. It would be amusing if you flipped scum and had reflexively jailkept your target.

BBmolla was able to do a night skip on command. He told us that it would happen when he was 2nd in votes at the end of the day, but that part isn't something we can verify. For all we know, He actually is scum and is a JOAT or something, and the night skip was an ability he was given.

At this point, I view everyone but myself as suspect.

[BBmolla]

If OC is telling the truth, the most plausible explanation I have is the final scum could have roleblocked OC and killed OC

But that seems a bit awkward

If I wasn't so confident Bulba was town, another possibility would be that I was jailkept by scum who also killed OC (maybe scum thinking I'm the devour kill)

[BRantz]

If OC is telling the truth, the most plausible explanation I have is the final scum could have roleblocked OC and killed OC

But that seems a bit awkward

If I wasn't so confident Bulba was town, another possibility would be that I was jailkept by scum who also killed OC (maybe scum thinking I'm the devour kill)

Wait... what? We lynched OC, he didn't die at night.

UNVOTE:

You're right BC, I need to reevaluate, but I agree with Drixx that taking anything OC said at face value is a bit suspect.

[BBmolla]

Correct, in that scenario OC is lynched before he gets killed cause it's on delay

unless you're assuming OC was lying about being devour or something

[Plotinus]

Driix

is conftown because boonskiies (6272). I am pretty sure it's not werewolf left. I spent some time staring at page 1 and it looked to me like blue and red are from the same game because Avatar of Lycanthropy seems to match Paragon of Crime, and modified bulletproof matches modified roleblocker. As such he's a poor choice for scum to bring into LYLO, and since he's not bulletproof to mafia I don't think we'll have Driix with us tomorrow. If Driix is here tomorrow then he's Godfather and I'm voting him because it makes no sense for scum to leave conftown alive in LYLO.

Me

: Being bulletproof to mafia does mean that I can't tell if I'm still here because I'm wrong about my reads or because the bulletproof means they're stuck with me. I have lived to LYLO in all my previous games that made it that far so that says something about my read quality in general but I think I've been getting better with practice.

Brantz

-- I expected one of [Brantz, Oranje] to be scum based on their roles. I was right about this. Both roles make sense as an SK role to give them a legup against SK-hunting mafia teams. But we're not SK hunting right now; we're mafia hunting. I'm also townreading him separately from that. I don't know why Brantz is still alive, maybe he's wrong about his reads, or maybe there have just been better targets, like getting rid of the conftown people.

Bulba

is my strongest my townread, and I don't think we should lynch him toDay, but there are a few things niggling me about him, such as the way they got so upset about deathfisaro's misunderstanding, the way they didn't understand that I was asking about NAR until I linked it (6519) or forgetting how jailkeep works (6817). But I don't see the scum motivation in pretending to forget stuff. In another game elsewhere I kept forgetting who was still alive and I'm fairly sure that wasn't alignment indicative. Pretending to forget stuff is a dumb strategy (as either alignment). Forgetting things for real is a human thing that can happen either way. Tomorrow I will consider the advice of "vote your strongest townread in LYLO" but I won't follow it until I'm sure because in both of my completed games that made it to LYLO that would have been a townloss; when I'm sure about someone being town this late in the game I'm usually right.

Bulba is still alive because it takes two scum to kill him and Oranje didn't target Bulba yesterday. Bulba will now be alive until the end.

BBmolla

is saying all of the right things, but I think that's his own path to victory regardless of his alignment. If he's innocent, he wants to be mislynched now not tomorrow when it will cost us the game (assuming we get it wrong today). If he's guilty, he wants to sound as reasonable as possible so that we don't lynch him. Nobody would buy it if he started channelling kuribo to call us stupid for lynching him today. Even discounting Oranje's word about BBmolla, there is also ChriVi telling us to be careful about BBmolla and not let him slip through our fingers (6542), and Titus's VCA in (6035) and yesterday I was pretty sure it was Oranje/Molla and I was right about at least half of that. I do think we need to consider all options toDay but this is who I would vote for if we were voting right now.

I also saw a game in which nikanor was a severely post restricted mafia beloved princess. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=60416 BBmolla's role is kind of the opposite of that. The beloved princess was so powerful, he had a really bad post restriction to make up for it. BBmolla's role, if scum, hurts his faction when finally activated by denying them a kill, but gives them a place to votepark to dodge VCA, and is in that sweet spot of too scummy for a nightkill (why nightkill a miller when he's a policy lynch the day before LYLO anyway?) and too useful to town to be scum. The verifiable protown aspect of his role provides him cover, making people less likely to want to lynch him for claiming miller.

FoS: BBmolla

regarding OC, I expect that if he were both nuked and lynched it would have said "Oranje Crush the leopard society commuter sk lynched and nuked from orbit on day 9". Also I am sad that his colour was purple not yellow because we almost had a rainbow.

[BBmolla]

@Mod: If someone was delay killed and lynched, would it show up as just lynched or lynched and killed?