We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Drixx]

Every time I think I have gotten over suspecting Plot, he posts something absolutely stupid like "If Drixx is alive, I will automatically assume he's the godfather and vote for him."

Brilliant work there mate. That circular logic is totally going to win the game.

[Plotinus]

I am operating under the assumption that the delayed nightkill has already been submitted during the last night phase. I won’t literally vote for anybody at the start of LYLO, that’s stupid.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Oranje claimed to be the devour kill flavor. We had not killed scum before him and after the last nuke from orbit kill. Ergo, we should never have expected a kill at the start of today. The presumable final scum has a distinct advantage with his kill coming at the end of the day. We have to lynch (or no lynch) before we have any additional information to work with.

Be that as it may, though, we still have a "LyLo" come tomorrow if we lynch wrong (or we can get lucky and lynch whoever Berlin shot, though I bet the shot was either Drixx or BRantz). he/she has to hope that they can get a lynch on the person they didn't/couldn't/can't kill; which should be me.

Oranje was scum ... so why are we taking anything he said as gospel truth? OC had devour as a kill flavor but "shot" BB? Setting aside semantics, haven't you claimed to be reflexive jailkeep? That would be the only explanation among claimed roles that makes sense. It would be amusing if you flipped scum and had reflexively jailkept your target.

Explain why OC would lie about shooting BB. Also, obvious answer is that "shot" is a catch-all for NKs.

Reflexive by nature is a passive modifier. we can't actively JK somebody (or somebodies), someone has to target us. The entire

point

of me demanding explanations is that the only one that

does

make sense is BB-Berlin shooting me to protect him from the kill. On that note I seriously hope they shot BRantz.

If OC is telling the truth, the most plausible explanation I have is the final scum could have roleblocked OC and killed OC

But that seems a bit awkward

If I wasn't so confident Bulba was town, another possibility would be that I was jailkept by scum who also killed OC (maybe scum thinking I'm the devour kill)

*ahem*

Every time I think I have gotten over suspecting Plot, he posts something absolutely stupid like "If Drixx is alive, I will automatically assume he's the godfather and vote for him."

Brilliant work there mate. That circular logic is totally going to win the game.

Well, let's say we lynch BB and he turns up town, while BRantz is shot. If Plot is town and thinks I'm town, who else is he gonna vote for?

If I wasn't leaving somewhere on Thursday I'd call for the hammer, but eh.

So, if no one's going to suddenly jump up and say that they did something protective for BB, all other logic points to BB-scum targeting me to use my reflexive JK as protection, yes?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Cuttle: The Voidedmafia/Ivysaur head of the Commonwealth will be V/LA from 5/21 to 5/31.

[Cuttlefish]

@Mod: If someone was delay killed and lynched, would it show up as just lynched or lynched and killed?

Just lynched.

[BRantz]

You have a point BC. I don't have a logical reason for BB not being scum. Its based off how much I've been townreading him. I can't come up with a reasonable explanation for OC lying to us either since he was the sk.

But if he isn't lying, and flips town, I am almost certain that plot is the last scum.

VOTE: BBMolla

[BBmolla]

But if he isn't lying, and flips town, I am almost certain that plot is the last scum.

Agreed.

Which is why I'm okay with this.

VOTE: BBmolla

[BBmolla]

So, if no one's going to suddenly jump up and say that they did something protective for BB, all other logic points to BB-scum targeting me to use my reflexive JK as protection, yes?

UNVOTE:

wait.

[BBmolla]

gimme a day to read over BC, BC scum is the only plausible losing scenario here.

They'd make the most sense as framing me which bothers me.

[Drixx]

I was wondering when someone would get to that particular level of paranoia. Yes ... if BC is the last nuker, then BC could withhold a kill in order to set a frame job in place. BC is also a hydra with multiple people playing it and thus a private place to talk amongst the heads, giving it a distinct advantage in trying to make a play like that.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I was wondering when someone would get to that particular level of paranoia. Yes ... if BC is the last nuker, then BC could withhold a kill in order to set a frame job in place. BC is also a hydra with multiple people playing it and thus a private place to talk amongst the heads, giving it a distinct advantage in trying to make a play like that.

Sure. But that only really works if you don't believe OC shot BB.

Like, If OC is telling the truth (which, even as scum, unless they want Berlin to win why would they bother lying?), then BB should be a shoe-in death today. Not to mention he's a miller and it's a day before LyLo, so there's just about double the reason to lynch him today.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

gimme a day to read over BC, BC scum is the only plausible losing scenario here.

They'd make the most sense as framing me which bothers me.

Is this including what OC said yesterday? Because if not then why frame you over anyone else?

[BBmolla]

gimme a day to read over BC, BC scum is the only plausible losing scenario here.

They'd make the most sense as framing me which bothers me.

Is this including what OC said yesterday? Because if not then why frame you over anyone else?

Because I've consistently been one of the townier players in the game

[BBmolla]

BC if you're lying about your role, you be a normal jailkeeper who jailkept me, explaining everything.

So let me evaluate before I sign off on letting you lynch me please. Because lynching me basically means Plot dies tomorrow and if he's not scum we fucking lose due to me sitting back and getting lynched.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

If you want to appeal directly to me, BB, you'd best not take long. I only have 1 day before I leave, and I'd prefer to stay away from the internet during the trip if at all possible.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

(And by that I mean that if I am going to go on the internet it'd be for the trip, not for looking at MS or anything like that.)

[BBmolla]

You comin to Orlando?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I'm going to Italy.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Anything yet, BB?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Welp, that's all from me for the next 10 days or so. I seriously hope Venus or Bulb can keep the activity up.

-Ivy.

[Plotinus]

Have a nice vacation Ivysaur.

Vonflare’s interactions with

Spoiler: some people

Vysepresident: =932 +1004 =1014 =1019

Plotinus: -749

Bulbasaur Commonwealth: =+1275

Drixx: v622 =835 =3880

BRantz: =529 =1333 v1979 =1275 -1524 -1525 -1528

BBmolla: -93 -96 =97 =133 +254 +257 =434 =3830

Things that stood out:

Lol vyse has as many votes as me now.

What's the case against him?

Never interacted with BC at all (except for twilight trolling after he was lynched but it’s hard to take anything at face value there. But he said BC was SK (extremely unlikely since Oranje was SK). he also said that vyse and him were a 2 player team, that he hoped the nuke from orbit SK would win.)

He interacted with Molla to be suspicious of his ability and then liked his ability and was town reading him.

He only interacted me to complain ActionDan hadn’t justified his vote on him. Voted drixx but barely interacted, same for brantz. He posted obvious scumclaimy type stuff with vyse but didn’t for other people so much.

VysePresident’s interactions with

Spoiler: some people

Vonflare: =236 +=1068 =1078 +1545 +1804 +1961

Plotinus: +=1068

Bulbasaur Commonwealth: +=1068 -1808 -2014 -2017 -2245 v2535 -3179 -+3197

Drixx: =236 +729 +=1068 +=3175 +=3184 +3195

BRantz: -=236 -729 -1068 -1545 - -[post]1804 -1807 -1808 +-1813 v1815 -1860 -1961 =-1962 -2017 -2245 -2375 -2388 -2396

BBmolla: +236 +729 +1068 =1808 =2013

defended vonflare pretty strongly and pushed pretty hard against brantz. defended molla a bit. pushed some against bulba too. townread drixx. barely interacted with my slot but had a mild town lean on it.

I was hoping this exercise would make things clearer, or maybe even clear molla since he has been acting really protown this day phase, but i’m only seeing associative tells with bbmolla here, and a little vyse/drixx. I’ll look at the red and blue teams too, though.

[Plotinus]

EBWOP, these were vyse’s interactions with brantz: BRantz: -=236 -729 -1068 -1545 -1802 -1804 -1807 -1808 +-1813 v1815 -1860 -1961 =-1962 -2017 -2245 -2375 -2388 -2396

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Huh.
Ivy left me under the impression it was the Berlins left, not the Volcano people.

[Plotinus]

i’m not sure who is left. if volcano is left, then we have a volcano miller left, who oranje implicated in twilight last night but who has otherwise been acting very protown

[Plotinus]

berlin could be left, which makes more sense with nuke from orbit i think, but berlin and werewolves seem to be from the same game (just based on role names in post 1) and it’s likely 2:2:3:1.