Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[White Night Imagination]

you're misreading basically everything about my post

reread

[ZZZX]

mollie please sign ur hydras posts btw

It should be easy to tell who is Mollie and who is Fro99er.

before I address other posts I just want to point out that zzthing knew it was me but wanted us to sign our posts cos he seemed a bit confused about who was posting.

that is all.

its a bit of the fact that I am not the best at knowing who posted what esp. for smaller posts. But yea makes life easier

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.3

singersigner (3)

- elusive, ZZZX, Grib

Grib (2)

- singersigner, Plum

Metal Sonic (2)

- Frogging Mollie, Yukari

ZZZX (1)

- Andrius

Frogging Mollie (1)

- Metal Sonic
Andrius -
Bookitty -
elusive -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
White Night Imagination -
Yukari -


Not Voting (4): Bookitty, Hydrangea, ika, White Night Imagination

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 10:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 10:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Yukari]

Vote: Metal sonic

Didn't like your Elusive vote.

Explain please.

Are you his scumbuddy?

[Andrius]

I liked the way she immediately came out pushing her out the gate and I can see what she was picking up on.

Right - I know mollie well enough and I think singer is AT THE LEAST pressuring her to see if the whole 'sort out the easy reads' is contrived or not. Sincere or not.
Grib has pinged the radar - I would put them in the scum part of a reads list at present but I will re-read him and the singer/mollie thing later with the goal of clarity - I want to re-connect with those events after taking a break from my initial reaction to as to hopefully not poison the well before I drink.

[Andrius]

If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot

Don't like the way you said this. Vig isn't even in the list of roles given in the setup.

Also this was pretty terrible.

[Andrius]

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

[Hydrangea]

very sorry to have not engaged yet. Finishing off a uni assignment that is due today so these last few days I have barely been on mafia. After today I will have a chance to read and engage. Again apologies.

[Yukari]

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

Please read our first post. Used to matrix6, this setup is very new and strange to us, which is why we asked for clarification.

[Plum]

Vote: Metal sonic

Didn't like your Elusive vote.

Explain please.

Are you his scumbuddy?

That's not an explanation.

[Plum]

Not only that, it's just a bizarre response.

[Andrius]

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

Please read our first post. Used to matrix6, this setup is very new and strange to us, which is why we asked for clarification.

tl;dr There are roles that are guaranteed to be in the setup (like VTs) that don't appear in the Pools.

[Frogging Mollie]

Do you have a townread on Mollie?

What about meeeee???

Anyway, you're town. Mollie and I sorted you separately and came to the same conclusion.

Not sure what to make of Grib. Just some meta in 21. Post 91 some town reads (two from meta, and then MS as well) and replying to Singer's inquiry. Then tunnels Singer the rest of the posts. Hasn't done any scumhunting yet. In the uneasy camp for me.

Yukari is WTF for me. I sort of sympathized with them from the relative newbie standpoint, but I'm not confused by the setup. Msg to scum in 116 feels...scummy? No scumhunting from them yet in their limited posts, just a bunch of WTF stuff. Scumlean for me.

Plum is town. The questioning Ika about keeping us around until D2 feels town motivated. 108 is town motivated as well, especially the part about meta being quite opaque, and not helping her get reads. That's exactly how I feel as someone with absolutely zero meta other than Singer. All the meta is just null as shit to me. I'm just trying to sort out motivation behind posts, and Plum is very town motivated.

[elusive]

also I am probs not gonna answer elusive's questions I think they are pointless and idc if she thinks it is a scumclaim. it isn't. it is me wanting to get shit done cos I usually have the lifespan of a housefly when I am town and I don't have time to cater things that I don't feel like is particularly meaningful.

mebbe I am just uncreative.

This post could have just been you answering RQS questions instead of passive aggressively being passive aggressive but okey dokey smokey.

Singer

, I'll look through my games on here that are complete but I think Guy's theory isn't quite accurate. It depends on the scum personality and I've seen scum post early on because the earlier they post the less serious they have to be. I find that you trying to be the first to confirm is a bit weird,

why the focus on appearing town or not fitting a theory that is probably less then quantitatively based?

Plum

, there's two ways to look at it. This is a social game and I like to know who I'm playing with. Knowing things about people (or fluff as you might call it) usually results in treating them like a person and being comfortable with more jokey\fluff. I apologize in advance but I like fluff and fluff a lot.

Usually I kind of put people who don't answer in the category of uncooperative without any good reason to be so.

Grib

<3
I'm also waiting to establish a scum meta, RNG kind of hates me so I might have to wrangle some Mods' arms behind their backs or try cookie bribes or something.

Bookitty has hit my radar a bit, let's see what comes next whether she gets closer to the red signal at the center or veers off.

White Night Imagination, I want to know the story behind your name. If Singer was questioning people why put the vote in a way that doesn't align with her questioning? There is a bit of discord between questioning a person, maybe pressuring them but putting the vote someone else.

Hydrangea, I'd like to see more from you tomorrow I guess. Are you new? What is your experience?

Yukari, I'm a bit confused here. You don't like my cheeky comment about people who don't answer RQS being in line for the vig's sniper rifle? I enjoy little things like that. Also fyi I rarely ever reveal my role in obvious ways like that. If I'm crumbing it will be in a way that makes it

elusive

for anyone but those who its intended to.

ika, please don't jinx this game . I adore how engaged people are you don't know how horrific it is to be in a game where out of 13 players only 3 are active and trying to figure out the game.

[Grib]

do you think she wouldn't think to fake "/hope" as scum?

what in her first game post was town?

I do not believe elusive would think to do that as scum.

Her first post very strongly reflects her town meta. ika can back me up on this.

grib, what are you?

I am the Witchhunter.

(town)

is this 1 of those dumb fakeclaims where you try to fish out players based on the roleclaim when all it does is successfully out speshuls due to set-up design? its like fishing off of a vt role pm and it shld never be done. hai metal

god I wish you pple wld stop doing this. it never works out and then you wonder why scum win so many games you play in.

you are in the unsure pile

No, it was a joke. There's a variant of mafia called WitchHunt that I love to play, so sometimes I make jokes about Witches.

w/r/t the bolded: why are you automatically assuming that your speculation is accurate?

Oh fiiiiine.

For transparency's sake, so everyone can see what I'm seeing:
You made a statement.
I told you how I interpreted that statement.
I said some other words to some other people.
Then I encouraged you to come back out and play.
You then made a defensive statement that in no way explained what you were actually doing (which was something I called you out on).
(you also asked me a question that was answered if you really were reading and trying to get a handle on the game and reads including me)
You

then

voted the one person to call you out on it.

Basically all I've seen from you has been anything but trying to parse out the game outside of buddying up to people in your circle. It doesn't feel like you're bothering to get a read on the "not easy people" to read, since if you're familiar with them, that should fall in place eventually, right?

Where did I go wrong?

Preview Edit:

I'm calling out singer for vague!voting me and not answering my question.

Apparently my post didn't post after I preview posted so...

guess that makes me scum then!

Fffff...more preview edits. Taking a breaking because I'm headaching.

What I saw was you implying you thought I was scum and then not doing anything about it. And then when I point this out and vote for you, suddenly I'm 'voting for the person calling me out?'

I like to get reads on the people I'm familiar with first because it's easier. They're both town, so I don't have much need to interact with them any further. There is no 'buddying.' And now I'm interacting with and trying to get a read on you. So far you seem to be more townread than not, though I can't say I'm seeing it.

Also, for someone attacking me, you seem to be awfully defensive. Bolded emphasis mine.

I looked through your posts. The only mention of ZZZX aside from your vote on him is in 86:

@Andy...I haven't had great experiences with ZZZX, either. In the game I played with him, he didn't claim beloved princess until he got rung up on like D4, and scum kept him alive for the win on D6. In another I saw him claim that he was useless early game, but "wait until late game, I really shine then!" It's not like I'm thrilled to play with someone who makes calculatedly bad choices as town, but what do you expect to "be done" about ZZZX? I'm not opposed to policy lynches in large games, because numbers imply town can recover from a mislynch, but in a smaller game you can't just use that as an opportunity to "teach someone a lesson" in the ways they suck as a mafia player.

Which doesn't actually say anything about your vote.

[singersigner]

singer is in null

i trust mollie more to sort her then me

also i know signers inhernt nature of reactivity

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this.

mollie please sign ur hydras posts btw

It should be easy to tell who is Mollie and who is Fro99er.

before I address other posts I just want to point out that zzthing knew it was me but wanted us to sign our posts cos he seemed a bit confused about who was posting.

that is all.

How familiar is ZZZX with you, Mollie? My initial impression was that it was entirely unnecessary. Why should it matter who posts what, when (insert signer's stance on hydras here)? They're acting as one head, with one alignment. That doesn't change from poster to poster.

Spoiler:

I liked her responses regarding Grib and mollie - its very singer of her and I can see her train of thought so to speak? Does that make sense? I won't claim to know her very well but we've played some rather invovled games together and I know her a bit outside of mafia games enough; I digress - those were good thoughts that I thought appropriate and agreed with.

I think I agree with this. at least the part about mollie - I liked the way she immediately came out pushing her out the gate and I can see what she was picking up on.

I still can't make anything out of singer vs. Grib. while I think Grib was correct in calling her out for jumping to a conclusion over the town reads he gave, I do not think this is scummy - and I do not think Grib's posts have been telling either way. do you scum read Grib at this point?

Basically all I've seen from you has been anything but trying to parse out the game outside of buddying up to people in your circle. It doesn't feel like you're bothering to get a read on the "not easy people" to read, since if you're familiar with them, that should fall in place eventually, right?

will wait for Grib to respond to this before explaining in-depth, but I don't agree with your read on him so far.

I forget why I quote tagged this but I think it had something to do with something something you don't agree with me on Grib and I have to wait to find out why.

@Grib...my answer is literally right above the part of the post you quoted so I fail to see how you did not see/read it unless you were literally just skimming to find things to posture on in hopes of picking up traction.

[Grib]

I swear to god I can't find it. Above the part I quoted, you poke Hydrangea and don't talk about ZZZX. Above that, you poke ika and don't talk about ZZZX. Above that, you talk about your 'scum like to delay pregame' theory, but you talk about yourself, not ZZZX. Above that, you poke about elusive and don't talk about ZZZX.

Point it out for me and I'll feel stupid later.

[singersigner]

I can see if you were just ctrl-f for "ZZZX" or "vote" or "insert whatever else here"...it was just right at the top of that post. Elusive and I had a nice chat about it, so even looking back to read the post more thoroughly it seems reeeeaaally hard to believe you weren't paying attention to context??

Singer,

The possibilities are endless but initially I thought you voted someone who just hadn't posted and was in possibility of being replaced.

Other things possible are as a townie trying to prod a player but you didn't state that or imply it or as a scum trying to prod a buddy before they come under suspicion.

What are your theories?

I still don't really know why you think your initial gut was scummy/a scumtell. Maybe scum looking for a copout vote? That's stretching it, but ok. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really, I have this working theory (started by GuyInFreezer, actually) that scum try to delay the pre-game confirmation process since it would give them more time to talk. That was part of the reason I was in a rush to confirm (the other part was checking my role PM on my way to work so...priorities). There was a 50/50 (or 100) that I could get it on the first go. So yeah, just one theory, I guess.

Then again, I don't really see scum trying to get away with faking something like that??

[Frogging Mollie]

This post could have just been you answering RQS questions instead of passive aggressively being passive aggressive but okey dokey smokey.

I don't think I was being passive aggressive I am pretty sure I am being openly aggressive by saying that your questions are not worth responding to.

Singer

, I'll look through my games on here that are complete but I think Guy's theory isn't quite accurate. It depends on the scum personality and I've seen scum post early on because the earlier they post the less serious they have to be. I find that you trying to be the first to confirm is a bit weird,

why the focus on appearing town or not fitting a theory that is probably less then quantitatively based?

singer was the second last to be confirmed so what are you even talking about here.

Plum

, there's two ways to look at it. This is a social game and I like to know who I'm playing with. Knowing things about people (or fluff as you might call it) usually results in treating them like a person and being comfortable with more jokey\fluff. I apologize in advance but I like fluff and fluff a lot.

Usually I kind of put people who don't answer in the category of uncooperative without any good reason to be so.

Grib

<3
I'm also waiting to establish a scum meta, RNG kind of hates me so I might have to wrangle some Mods' arms behind their backs or try cookie bribes or something.

Bookitty has hit my radar a bit, let's see what comes next whether she gets closer to the red signal at the center or veers off.

White Night Imagination, I want to know the story behind your name. If Singer was questioning people why put the vote in a way that doesn't align with her questioning? There is a bit of discord between questioning a person, maybe pressuring them but putting the vote someone else.

you srsly don't know what you are doing do you.

Hydrangea, I'd like to see more from you tomorrow I guess. Are you new? What is your experience?

Yukari, I'm a bit confused here. You don't like my cheeky comment about people who don't answer RQS being in line for the vig's sniper rifle? I enjoy little things like that. Also fyi I rarely ever reveal my role in obvious ways like that. If I'm crumbing it will be in a way that makes it

elusive

for anyone but those who its intended to.

ika, please don't jinx this game . I adore how engaged people are you don't know how horrific it is to be in a game where out of 13 players only 3 are active and trying to figure out the game.

mebbe pple are bored with trite questions I dunno tho. I prefer game relevant questions, do you have any?

[Grib]

???

There is no explanation for your vote.

You said 'it's not RVS,' and in your next post you say 'what makes it scummy?' to elusive and talk about your theories. After that you elaborate on your theories, but I fail to see how any of it is relevant to your vote.

Explain it to me like I'm five and stop pointing to posts that fail to address what I'm asking.

[Grib]

Froggerson, elusive's questions are relevant for learning her alignment. Being antagonistic will just make her tunnel you.

Plus, you sound like a buzzkill.

[singersigner]

Fffff, no, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was very specifically not talking about myself other than why I confirmed so quickly. That whole paragraph was my theory that scum would delay of game (ZZZX was one of the last two to confirm), which Mollie even commented on later. (preview edit: I actually meant to respond to elusive's bold part about me "trying to look town" since it wasn't me trying to confirm first, it was me trying to confirm asap)

So Grib, I mean, I get skimming the game, or only commenting on specific things, but if you're talking about me purposefully being elusive (excuse my word choice), why wouldn't you pay more attention when trying to find the answer to your question only to paint me for being scummy for "not answering it"...

Gah, more preview edits:
Ok.
So.
I empty vote ZZZX.
Elusive initially interprets it as an excuse not to engage in the current discussion (which someone else pointed out was silly because I did in the post right before that).
Then ZZZX is like lolrvslol.
I say NOPE for rlz.
Elusive says "whaaat y u no explain".
I say "cuz theories!"
He says "these are mine, so..."
And I say "oh makes sense but no this is what it really is about."
Someone (elusive?) then says "well it's not proven so."

At which point we're here with you arguing that I didn't explain my vote thoroughly...at which point, it

really has been

.

[Yukari]

I don't trust any of you.. (:V)

[elusive]

Singer, why did you feel the need to confirm asap (my bad on stating first I meant trying to confirm quickly) because of a theory? Or do you know what I'm saying? Why need to appear town based on an unproven theory rather then just be comfortable being town and doing actions that are more solid with town?


Mollie, try to let newbie speak more because that arrogant bs you pulled in DOA well it was annoying then and it will be in this game if you keep it up. At least ika has some charm to back up his particular spelling\grammar choices yours just scream some lack of idk awareness. Also just because ika likes you doesn't matter jack to me so kudos on descending into the uncouth so quickly.

[elusive]

Also, does anyone else want to go through their completed games and figure out if there is some ratio of scum early posting or delaying posting?