Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[elusive]

MS, I generally don't sheep unless I see the case as clear as day. Due to the slightly strange speaking style Yukari might be mislynch bait.

I'm going to read Yukari's two games on here from the Newbie queue, (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=58280) and (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=31336) and see what I can find and update here later.

[elusive]

I actually suggest MS that you look at them too and since Yukari is newish and probably not adept at going against their town meta, see what's different from there to here.

[Metal Sonic]

Understood.

I'm using my book of Level 2 Scumtells to judge Yukari atm. Seems to hit the notes for newb-scum.

I'll take a look at the meta.

[Frogging Mollie]

If Yukari flips town then you will be speedlynched next, are you willing to accept that?

I'm more worried about the loss of reputation though. Right now as you can see, I'm banking a lot on Yukari-scum. Not just my role/life in this game, but my credibility as a scumhunter.

Your scumhunting reputation won't be hurt because you are scum.

In Team Mafia (Twin Trap), I lost quite a lot with the Quilford lynch, though I can defend myself with "At least I was going to lynch ETL tomorrow so the game wasn't lost". I'm not sure what excuse I'll come up with if I'm wrong for this game. I'd rather not think about it.

As scum, you don't need to think up an excuse.

MS, I generally don't sheep unless I see the case as clear as day. Due to the slightly strange speaking style Yukari might be mislynch bait.

I'm going to read Yukari's two games on here from the Newbie queue, (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=58280) and (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=31336) and see what I can find and update here later.

I like this approach. A much more sensible approach to the game then spamming the thread. Town points for you.

(Frogger)

[Yukari]

i dont talk to scum


but this is for the peanut gallery:
basically your read on me is bs and you're making up nonsense to push my lynch. many of the points in your half assed "case" doesnt even make sense, and the conclusions are just copied off mollie's push. took all the quotes and said something random and fakeable about them to justify your fake scumread. you have no reads beyond "ms is scum" and that justifies you not doing anything else for the rest of the day. thats pure scum.

im not changing my vote either.

Called it, lumping all our points together and saying they all suck so you won't have to individually respond to the points which hit a bit too close to home. You also seem to like saying 1 thing while doing another, or hating on others for something you yourlself just did. For example:

And I fucking hate it when people are like "I trust you to do the right thing" because it manipulates someone to read you a certain way by automatically influencing their subconscious with the illusion of ooomustbetown. I think "fearmongering" is an appropriate buzzword? (I really don't know if that applies as much as I think it does)

yes! yes! yes yes!!!!

omg i hate it when they say that. look at how many people asked me to "look townie" right now in this game. fuck that. what the fuck am i supposed to do, swear a lot and yell is huge bold obnoxious font? i dont want to do that. but wow it is the only thing i can do!

And yet you yourself did this thing which you supposedly hate so much, and asked others to do it:

Hello Plum!

Andrius seems very excited about you being in the game. I don't know you at all, but I hope you are as fun as he says.

I'm going to sort you, of course, but mostly I'll fall back to his read on you.

That's my plan!

mollie i caught gg first in AH redemption and i want you to trust me and help me vote yukari now.

Also, "they're making bullshit up to scumread me now. i mean the reasons are beyond ridiculous. find mislynch -> push mislynch." What bs did we make up? Please point it out. We quoted what you yourself said and gave our opinion on why you did what you did.

Also, why would we be worried? You got more votes, there is still a lot of daylight left, and even if we die we win by taking you with us, it's a bit of a win/win for town even if we get mislynched. Also, we think it hilarious that you of all ppl would call us worried after that fakeclaim stunt you pulled and the posts following. Maybe if you admitted the oriclaim is a joke, things might go a little better for you, maybe.

"you have no reads beyond "ms is scum"" Or maybe you just failed to read our case on you? Nope more likely just want to avoid it and pretend it doesn't exist.


One more thought for now. Still trying to put my finger on exactly why, but something about these next 2 MS quotes just seems very off:

anyway all the scumreads on me are stupid. it makes me feel as if i must play scum right now and drop towntells on purpose or something. fuck that.

Why would you feel as if you must play scum and drop towntells?

MS, you have not been scumhunting at all this game.

neither have you, scumbag. i dont see you scumhunting. you are just copying mollie's misread on me, copying her reasoning, and sitting down with a scumtunnel

you need to die

i need to slay you

Maybe this is just us being nitpicky about choice of words, but the way you say, "neither have you" seems to imply you are admitting you have not been scumhunting, claiming that neither of us have been.

[Frogging Mollie]

boo

where are you

[Bookitty]

boo

where are you

At work! Have some patience, lady

I need to check four people and that's going to take me some time.

[Plum]

First off, I'll be

V/LA until Monday evening EDT

due to Jewish Sabbath/holiday stuff.

Second. MS, why did you have me as 'leaning Town' (and also, if that's changed, feel free to discuss)?

Third. Not really especially convinced by MS recently. The nameclaim itself is effectively void of information, and I'm not sure yet what to make of his sudden rev up against Yukari or his attempts to be an influence leader when that's just not going to be working out for him. So like. MS is still totally on my table regardless of the upcoming content of my post here.

I will 1v1 you and make sure your scum blood spills all over the ground

Please spare us.

elusive is prob town. I don't have a specific reason for this (although OTOH I found her frustration with mollie town), I'm just willing to trust everyone else's meta assessment of her. that, and I haven't found anything she's done scummy.

So why the hell are you telling us this? Not every read is information. This especially is the opposite of information. Also, why the hell haven't you even voted? Like 100% seriously you have plenty of words and posts but it's all nothing. You have no scumreads? Guess what, you're not doing what you need to do as Town. You're basically not doing anything.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: White Night Imagination

The (on and off) pressure on Hydrangea is also a Good Thing.

MS, just in case this is helpful now or in the future, a good rule of thumb is that there are no such things as Towntells. As with all rules, there are exceptions, but sticking to the rule until you understand why it's a rule before getting confident about making assumptions is a good course of action. Also please stop it with this stuff about your role confirming you. Also you're kinda being inconsistent with that so I'm keeping my eye on that specifically as well.

Not buying Bookitty's conspiracy theory about Frogmollie being targeted in two different ways by hypothetical MS/elusive scum. Really kinda weird and it's definitely not scumhunting, inasmuch as it takes as assumption that the two might be scum and fits that assumption to some data about attacks on Frogmollie instead of, you know, the reverse? Weird, somewhat off, keeping eye on.

Yukari

, why did you decide to do a post-by-post analysis of MS?

MS

, what do you think of people who continued to vote you (or myself, who doesn't particularly want to not vote you) post ori claim?

[ika]

we are lynchign metal sonic

[ika]

hes not town.

ZZZX get in here and vote his ass. elusive join us and we can sort eveyone tommoorw with mollie/frogger.

boo hury up with work plz

[White Night Imagination]

So why the hell are you telling us this? Not every read is information. This especially is the opposite of information. Also, why the hell haven't you even voted? Like 100% seriously you have plenty of words and posts but it's all nothing. You have no scumreads? Guess what, you're not doing what you need to do as Town. You're basically not doing anything.

haven't caught up, but real quick, I agree I haven't done anything yet! I've found most of the scum reads ppl have pushed so far this game to be either entirely null or otherwise found none of it compelling (see, most recently, MS and Yukari re: each other). and I haven't found anyone individually scummy, either.

this tends to happen to me a lot (recently I've had a lot of trouble getting scum reads early), but even compared to what's usual for me, I'm having an excessively difficult time parsing anything out of this game. feel free to ask if you have anything specific you want me to comment on/justify.

[Plum]

If you want to convince me, or even if you don't, you'll have to do better than agreeing that you're not doing anything.

[ika]

If you want to convince me, or even if you don't, you'll have to do better than agreeing that you're not doing anything.

is this directed at me or WK?

[Plum]

That was to WNI, sorry.

[ika]

That was to WNI, sorry.

its fine, anyway while you are here whats your read on the following:

andy, hydra, yukari, ZZZX

[Frogging Mollie]

we are lynchign metal sonic

you are not even voting him

[ika]

VOTE: metal sonic

better mollie?

[ika]

ika - your vote on me seems pretty weak considering how many other players there are with actual content to read and consider, you could have made a more informed decision based on people with content. But I don't fault you for doing something to try get me more into the game. Am I correct in assuming your vote on me stems from my lack of activity?

before i forget about this

yes it does, my vote did stem from your lack of activity. how many gaames of mafia have you played?

town or scum?

got any reads yet?

[Bookitty]

Okay, I have finally divested myself of my irksome companions. (Work crap, too boring to even contemplate explaining.)

I haven't gotten to that read BUT I'm fixing to commute home and then I can read to my heart's content for a little while

I do think Ika and Pirate Mollie are town. I don't care if Plum has her eye on me except to be happy I'm noticed. I will say that I think people get nervous of Mollie as scum and that the behaviours I was pointing out are not unique to this game. I imagine she'll back me up on the fact that she often gets chainsawed as town.

I will read and have commentary this evening. I apologise for the stupid delay.

[ika]

Okay, I have finally divested myself of my irksome companions. (Work crap, too boring to even contemplate explaining.)

I haven't gotten to that read BUT I'm fixing to commute home and then I can read to my heart's content for a little while

I do think Ika and Pirate Mollie are town. I don't care if Plum has her eye on me except to be happy I'm noticed. I will say that I think people get nervous of Mollie as scum and that the behaviours I was pointing out are not unique to this game. I imagine she'll back me up on the fact that she often gets chainsawed as town.

I will read and have commentary this evening. I apologise for the stupid delay.

BOOO!

talk to me plz when your done

[Bookitty]

I can talk now if we're quick, I just can't read over it again.

Yeah, I'm good with the Metal Sonic thing. Not sold on WNI and I just don't get Yukari, which is why I need to read. People with complex personal stories that need to be considered before understanding their posts just... I'm not good with that. I think it's probably a failing on my part.

[Bookitty]

Not sold on WNI as scum.

Sorry, that was not clear and upon refreshing the page I realised it.

[ika]

I can talk now if we're quick, I just can't read over it again.

Yeah, I'm good with the Metal Sonic thing. Not sold on WNI and I just don't get Yukari, which is why I need to read. People with complex personal stories that need to be considered before understanding their posts just... I'm not good with that. I think it's probably a failing on my part.

Not sold on WNI as scum.

Sorry, that was not clear and upon refreshing the page I realised it.

Ok ill make it breif then cus i got stuff too:

reads on plum, andy, hydra

right now there people are my blind/POE spots that i want to sort out everyone else to me is kinda self resloving

[Bookitty]

Okay. I'll be back around in like an hour and a half; I'm going to buckle down and read. I can answer anything then and I'll probably be slamming down a vote on someone at that point. Will it be YOU? Stay tuned for the next exciting installment!

EBWOP: I'll do them too. I'm going to tell you right now that I don't have a handle on Andrius's playstyle yet, but I'll give it my best shot. Plum I think I can read because she is logical and right now she's in my town pile. I'm SURE that Mollie is town here. Most sure of anyone.

[ZZZX]

Ika I'm not sold on metal.

Sell it to me if you even want me to think about it perhaps? What makes his play the same as say nless and not like DT?