Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[ika]

ok spoiler your case on yukari if it requires quote and dont use meta

also tell me more about your bookitty read cus i read it as sheepig singer atm

[Frogging Mollie]

Yukari is a scummyscumfuck. I looked at their meta already but I can only post full length on com. Just simply their town play is more like able and confused about who is town or scum. Here they seem like faking confusion about lame stuff like the setup. They also have been doing fuck all the whole game except tunnel on me. No reads in their ISO. In their town games they have townreads. No townreads over here. They are scum basically

Woah. I agree with this. They basically played by the book in both games (even to the point of hating RVS in both games and explicitly stating so and quoting the wiki).
Here they jump right in and just start throwing shit around. Voting MS right off the bat (for a contrived reason of not liking his elusive vote), and stating

Oh, and msg to scum: please NK yukari N1 so we can get back to being allowed to play a simple game thanks. If not, we do not intend to replace out, would just prefer to make this quick as the setup and such is confusing.

doesn't have town interest in mind.

then quoting this

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

but immediately afterward stating this

If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot

Don't like the way you said this. Vig isn't even in the list of roles given in the setup.

Then plum asks why they don't like the vote on elusive, and they just say "are you MS's scumbuddy?" instead of actually answering. They would have answered in the previous games (both town games).

Then the throwdown with MS. They never had such a throwdown in the two prior towngames.

I don't want to quote their whole previous ISO from previous games, but I'll pull up some select quotes to show the playstyle difference between prior town games and this game if needed.

[Metal Sonic]

I'm on phone so no case for you. Just look at their ISO and see if you find any genuine scumhunting

I was the first to mention bookitty scumread. It's just that she only had 1 (scummy) post so I didn't push. I am not Sheeping singer



Pedit: thank you very much frogger

[ika]

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plz do, im not in a good mood or porper to really give the incentive to do it myself atm. i really jsut need some people i trust in this game to give me some dicussion and stuff to bpunce off of

pedti:sigh....

ill talk to frogger about it then im drunk sobering so telling me to do shit is not a good idea. im aware enough but not good enough to do that shit

[Frogging Mollie]

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plz do, im not in a good mood or porper to really give the incentive to do it myself atm. i really jsut need some people i trust in this game to give me some dicussion and stuff to bpunce off of

You trust Mollie, but do you trust me?

But yes, I will pull up some Yukari ISO/quotes in due time. It's 2am here. Maybe in the morning.

[ika]

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plz do, im not in a good mood or porper to really give the incentive to do it myself atm. i really jsut need some people i trust in this game to give me some dicussion and stuff to bpunce off of

You trust Mollie, but do you trust me?

But yes, I will pull up some Yukari ISO/quotes in due time. It's 2am here. Maybe in the morning.

you share same slot. so thers that.

however i take mollies reds much more into accoutn atm then you tbf. i have yet to see you in action so i am weary to sheep your reads compared to mollie

[Frogging Mollie]

Spoiler: Yukari's previous game...selected quotes

Also seems like meybe could vote for whoever seems most town lol. Seems counterintuitive but scum would have more reason to want to appear as town.

Yukari suggests voting the most towny?

We don't like the way rvs is used. People shouldn't vote randomly, and rvs despite its name is not supposed to mean, everyone gets to vote randomly because there is no info to go on stage.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Random_Vote
One criticism of the random voting stage is that the votes are meaningless and pressureless, as players do not tend to have any real attachment to their vote or wanting to lynch the player being voted for. The solution to this is to up the stakes. It is not at all unheard of for a random vote wagon to reach a lynch, or for a Policy Lynch to occur with little to no discussion, and so forth. By raising or even possibly enforcing this possibility, the RVS can become more serious.

Note that truly random voting, as with the dice tag, is strictly frowned upon. A vote that is demonstrably random carries no motivation to be read into, and is completely informationless. This is not the intent of the "random voting stage".

Doesn't like RVS. Quotes wiki, quotes dice rolling illegal.

1 forum game and less than 5 chat games, mostly 3person mafia which was kinda lame.
Also, not suggesting to lynch whoever looks most town, just speculating about possibility of voting someone who appears overly town.

Ok doesn't suggest voting town. Also, level of experience.

Why peeps laying into flubber so hard? We agree that intentionally misrepresenting someone would be suspicious. But in this case we just arent getting an intentional or deceptive vibe from flubber's mistake. If anything, the ppl trying to exploit this error to casebuild seems a bit scummier to us, though could be overzealous/overaggressive town.

We are all for aggression and pressure, but would prefer the attacks be a little better aimed.

Bolded is my emphasis.

A FUCKING GEM!!!

Prefer pressure/attack to be better aimed. You mean like your throwdown with MS?

We don't rly care for random voting in rvs and pretty much agree with the wiki which explains it better and more easily than we could. The same issue came up in our last game and we still don't think rvs should be an excuse to be random. Better to vote for reasons other than randomness.

Reiterating hate for RVS.

So basically you disagree with the wiki and dislike that we agree with it? We don't have enough experience to have much of an experience based opinion, all we have to go on is what we have read and logic.

Not much experience. Just reads and logic. Very passive player. This is their very next game...why the blowup with Sonic?

Wtf.. why the quickhammer..

Concerned about a quickhammer. Didn't seem to be concerned with Sonic.

Hmm.. ok then, matrix is confusing.
unvote

The last time they were confused about a format they unvoted. This time they were confused, they turned the pressure up.

Intent to hammer flubber.
Think we would rather go with flubber than bullish. Was curious to see how he would react to being l-1 and now we have.

Any last words?

Very passive intent to hammer. Certainly not the bravado style we saw vs Sonic.

vote:no lynch

Lets just no lynch and see what happens.. can't hurt.
Weird thought tho, if town refuses to lynch and mafia refuses to nk, would the game end in a stalemate?

I LOL'ed.

We aren't very good.. any1 gots any tips for scumhunting?

Yukari's last in-game post before joining this game. An admittedly poor scumhunter.

I'm sorry I couldn't show Yukari doing any more scumhunting. But you can't show what doesn't exist.

It's pretty much night and day contrast from how they've played this game.

[ZZZX]

ohey I have a read.

My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here, How can asking someone if he can sort people out hunting for good scum hunters? sorting people out = reading them... Also metal as scum has a prob decent idea of this playerlist so he wouldnt need help to know who can scum hunt.

I doubt both metal and yuka are town, its prob tvs or mayybeeee svs, but i doubt the latter.

And thus I shall do this

VOTE: Yukari

really hated that post i quoted. that sums up my reasoning.

first off, what, specifically, about this makes you think it's "TvS or SvS"? it's clear you think Yukari is scum, but what's the point in even bringing it up then? it is usually not correct to say "this is TvS" and then fit reads to this, rather it should be the other way around - what you did, on the other hand, allows you to backtrack and push MS afterward if Yukari flips town.

in particular, I don't buy your stance this might be bussing. it makes me think you're just trying to take advantage of the massive shitstorm that's going on right now by trying to get one of {Yukari, MS} lynched without caring which.

second off, while I think most of Yukari's post was wrong, this particular line of reasoning is a really shit reason for scum reading him.

it is correct that MS would probably have a good idea of who the competent scum hunters in this game are if he's scum. OK. the problem is, this doesn't make Yukari scum. Yukari likely, regardless of their alignment, would not know that MS would know something like this - so this line of reasoning is reasonable for town-them to at least think.

your angle here essentially amounts to "Yukari's post is wrong, therefore they're scum" - which is really just a bullshit throwaway reason.

The thing is Yukari, he did NOT as who the best scum hunter is, He asked who a person thought to be scum/town. that is a huge differnce.

also I think you did tell something about me sheeping you and not the other way around, but this call for sheeping gives me good feelings. In the metal we trust for now.

this questioning is really weak. is this really the only thing you have for Yukari being scum? you claim his post contained "a lot of" misreps, but I only actually see you pushing this one issue. what else, specifically, did you have an issue with, and why aren't you questioning him over it (in favor of spending all your time poking at MS instead)?

Yukari's line of thought felt really full of bullshit, I hate bullshit.

also I have a guy feeling two town players would not interact in that way, I am pretty sure of it.

[ZZZX]

gut*

[ZZZX]

vote: ZZZX

ZZZX hears you, ZZZX doesnt care

[ZZZX]

MS was pretty fucking obviously joking about "seeing your role". I know you think he lied, but that's really all there is to it - he wasn't being serious.

anyone who saw metal play knows its prob just a joke.

[ZZZX]

OK,

I am replacing out. Hope this is better for everyone.

Enjoy the game, folks.

Turns out I can't do that

I'm here to stay ._________________.

Okey now I am confused as fuck...

Townz:

13. ZZZX
10. singersigner
8. Metal Sonic
4. Frogging Mollie (pirate mollie + Frogger)

Null line:
1. Andrius
3. elusive
5. Grib
6. Hydrangea
7. ika
9. Plum

Leaning Scum Line:
2. Bookitty
11. White Night Imagination (pieguyn + Brian Skies)

Scum Read line:
12. Yukari

read list v1^

[ZZZX]

I will be happy to explain any specific read if asked.

[White Night Imagination]

Yukari's line of thought felt really full of bullshit, I hate bullshit.

also I have a guy feeling two town players would not interact in that way, I am pretty sure of it.

explain *why* it was full of bullshit

explain *why* you specifically think 2 town players wouldn't interact that way without regard to what they're doing individually

explain whether you will suddenly start believing MS is scum if Yukari gets lynched and flips town - bc if this is the case, this is nothing more than lining up lynches, and if it's not, your line of reasoning here doesn't make sense

[White Night Imagination]

2. Bookitty
11. White Night Imagination (pieguyn + Brian Skies)

and explain both of these

because it feels like you're just putting all the popular scum reads as scum - again

[White Night Imagination]

I'll respond to other posts later bc it's 4 AM. night

[Metal Sonic]

Why do you have ika as null, and pieguy as leaning scum?

[Hydrangea]

^ im also interested in the WNI read, Z.

[ZZZX]

Yukari's line of thought felt really full of bullshit, I hate bullshit.

also I have a guy feeling two town players would not interact in that way, I am pretty sure of it.

explain *why* it was full of bullshit

explain *why* you specifically think 2 town players wouldn't interact that way without regard to what they're doing individually

explain whether you will suddenly start believing MS is scum if Yukari gets lynched and flips town - bc if this is the case, this is nothing more than lining up lynches, and if it's not, your line of reasoning here doesn't make sense

2. Bookitty
11. White Night Imagination (pieguyn + Brian Skies)

and explain both of these

because it feels like you're just putting all the popular scum reads as scum - again

Why do you have ika as null, and pieguy as leaning scum?

I explained why its full of bullshit, it says he is doing something while he is clearly not.

anyway about kitty, last 2 town games i played with kitty i remeber kitty was alot more engaged. kitty tried to push for many people and was pretty much active in discussion, here i feel kitty is taking a backseat in this game...

about WHI this one will be harder as its more of a gut read. but you can say that I feel that WHI is asking too many generalistic questions early on and is trying to not have a clear stance on many people. I still for example dont see who WHI is pushing at this stage and is just going with "what-ifs" all the way.

Also answering the question about ika. I honestly as I think I said dont know ika's scum meta. I really havent seen him play scum. reading his posts I really have no idea how to read them. thats ... basicaly it for him.

and if the target flips town i wouldnt flip my read., I would just need to re-evaluate my reads and look at the night kill for the info anyway at that stage. So yea..

[ZZZX]

Anything else?

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.9

Yukari (3)

- Metal Sonic, ZZZX, Hydrangra

Metal Sonic (2)

- Yukari, singersigner

White Night Imagination (2)

- elusive, Plum

ZZZX (2)

- Andrius, White Night Imagination

Bookitty (1)

- Grib
Andrius -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (3): Bookitty, ika, Frogging Mollie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until May 25

Grib is V/LA until May 25

singersigner is V/LA until May 26th

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Frogging Mollie]

V/LA until Tuesday

since I'll be busy with stuff (hiiiii Fro99er) and don't have a cell phone to keep up intermittently as evidenced by the FIVE PAGES IN ONE DAY.

@Mod: just making sure you caught Singer's V/LA since you don't have it listed below

Vote Count 1.9

Yukari (3)

- Metal Sonic, ZZZX, Hydrangra

Metal Sonic (2)

- Yukari, singersigner

White Night Imagination (2)

- elusive, Plum

ZZZX (2)

- Andrius, White Night Imagination

Bookitty (1)

- Grib
Andrius -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (3): Bookitty, ika, Frogging Mollie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until June 25

Grib is V/LA until June 25

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

**Fixed**

[Yukari]

Vote: zzzx

We don't believe the lies.

[ika]

mollie what are your thoughts atm?

ZZZX why is hydra null?

[Frogging Mollie]

hi guys

ketching up and i am up to here:

OK,

I am replacing out. Hope this is better for everyone.

Enjoy the game, folks.

Turns out I can't do that

I'm here to stay ._________________.

I asked 5 listmods

holy jesus mary and christ SINGER AND I KNOW MOST OF THE LIST MODS PERSONALLY PRETTY SURE THAT META DID NOT PM 5 LIST MODS AND GOT A RESPONSE WITHIN 10 MINUTES W/O THE LIST MODS TALKING TO ANK FIRST METAL IS LYIG HIS FUCKING ASS OFF ANY1 WHO IS TOWNREADING METAL AFTER THIS IS EITHER SCUM WITH METAL OR A FREAKING IDIOT