Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Hydrangea]

i am going to eat 10 chill pills and not post in this game until I get prodded


VOTE: bookitty

This is the only wagon in the game where I am 100% sure that there are no scum on the current wagon. Yukari wagon is good too but my supporters are getting chainsawed.

Sorry elusive, I didn't leave a good first impression for you. This game was drastically contrary to how I planned to play.

Are you voting boo because you actually think they could be scum, or just because no one ''scum'' is voting them? You have been pushing yukari for pages now, seems pretty weak to move away from that to vote someone you have barely touched on when considering how hard you were pushing a yukari lynch.

[Grib]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

My lynch pool at the moment is [Bellaphant/Bookitty/Hydrangea/ZZZX].

I have a strong gut feeling that Metal Sonic is town, despite his atrocities. mollie made a good point about how he probably faked the whole list mods thing, but I think that's just kind of a shitty thing to do rather than scummy.

it IS a scummy thing to do and has BEEN DONE BY SCUM BEFORE and you are

rewarding

him by letting him get away with it which is shittier than what metal is trying to do in the first place.

Just because it's been done by scum before doesn't mean it's always only going to be done by scum.

I'm being chickenshit about it because I think he's just bad town this game. It happens. If you feel so strongly that he's scum, get him lynched. You don't need my vote to do it. If he flips scum, then I apologize. I don't want any part in his lynch. At least not toDay.

See what I did, going through his ISO and pointing out why I think he's town? Do the same for me. Tell me why he's scum. Let's put the fake replace out thing to the side for a second. Please try to go into the mindset behind his posts, not just his words.

[ika]

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

ill garcia it and link you myself

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61168

mollie whos you other scum read again? cus im gonna be on agrement on MS (and MS dont even fucking apease to me i dont want to hear you right now)

whats yours thoughts on yukari?

I have metal/wni/andy slot for right now. I think there is a bunch of derp going on which scum will try to take advantage of and might succeed amazingly at it depending on if we lynch metal or not.

andy slot is a weaker scumread but it is there for now.

and yukari?

[Grib]

I asked for posts, not the game thread.

fucking hell grib.....

mollie can do that for me then. im not that much in effort but i know she will do it.

grib, why is bella and ZX in POE?

whats your town case on yukari btw?

WNI: why is ZX scum (im presuming you have him on scum lean at least)

If she wants to cite his meta, I want to see evidence.

Because I lean town on everyone else. Or at least lean town enough to not want to lynch them toDay.

Uh. Actually, I'm not. I just forgot to update my notes. I thought they townslipped at one point, and then I thought they Rolecop slipped, and now I'm undecided. So. Scratch that.

also, while I think her being inactive is a really shit reason for scum reading Boo here, I think Boo might be scum more or less bc

I haven't liked what she did while she *was* here

(Plum's point about her pushing MS/elusive comes to mind). I'll support the wagon there if need be.

I feel the same.

[White Night Imagination]

andy slot is a weaker scumread but it is there for now.

y

pediti: meh, i find it null form him but whateveer your not listening to someone who WENT THOUGH A GOD DAMN NIGHTLESS GAME WHERE HE WAS SCUM

I won't just listen to reads bc "lol experience". if she supposedly has experience with him, she should be able to explain *how* he's playing to his scum meta, or why him ATE'ing is scummy (which it's not, he ATEs in response to pressure as town) or otherwise why the way he's specifically going about it here is scummy - but rather than doing this, she's creating a bunch of noise and hoping no one notices she doesn't actually have a solid reason for MS being scum here

and I'm not "confbiasing" here - if someone actually shows me *why* this is incorrect, I'll reevaluate it

[Frogging Mollie]

I think MS is likely town here. mollie's push on him is, put bluntly, fake as fuck.

what she is doing is writing a bunch of words about irrelevant shit and hoping no one notices she's not actually backing up *why*, specifically, she thinks MS's play is scummy - the only exception to this is the thing about MS replacing out, but given how fucking awful that looks that by itself is easy enough to fake. she also has, quite literally, no reads outside of MS-scum and me-scum for defending him. she's just blindly tunneling him and hoping no one realizes she's not *actually* game solving here. fro9's 406 comes off more like he's just twisting Yukari's posts to call them scum (the part about them being concerned with a quickhammer in the newbie game and this somehow making them scum here for... ???... comes to mind).

ZZZX is also likely scum.

I don't get where scum reads on Plum are coming from - I remember liking 108. someone walk me through it.

I buy Yukari saying they wanted to play differently in this game from the last game. while I think it's a shit strategy, them apparently wanting to "play scummy on purpose" would explain why they went full-force pushing MS out the gate.

I'm currently waiting to see if Brian gets here anytime soon so we can consolidate thoughts before I really push anything. if he doesn't, I'll go ahead and elaborate more in-depth on these reads.

not reading anything past this cos metal is lying and you know it but are trying to give him an out and appeal to derp town in order to avoid his lynch.

it isn't fake cos when presented with the cold hard truth your whole world just crumbles and you know that you have tied yourself to a player who has done something shitty and shld be beyond the pale of the game cos that is the only recourse you have and ank actually has pretty thick skin.

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.13

ZZZX (3)

- Bellaphant, White Night Imagination, Yukari

Metal Sonic (3)

- singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika

Bookitty (3)

- Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic

Yukari (2)

- ZZZX, Hydrangra

White Night Imagination (1)

- Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until May 25

Grib is V/LA until May 25

singersigner is V/LA until May 26th

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Grib]

It's the combination of being inactive, repeated promises to catch up, and not really posting anything especially towny when she is here.

[Grib]

mollie, Sonic's entire play is basically anti-everything. It doesn't benefit him as town or as scum, and he's been posting in this fashion since the beginning of the game.

Why is he scum?

[White Night Imagination]

not reading anything past this cos metal is lying and you know it but are trying to give him an out and appeal to derp town in order to avoid his lynch.

it isn't fake cos when presented with the cold hard truth your whole world just crumbles and you know that you have tied yourself to a player who has done something shitty and shld be beyond the pale of the game cos that is the only recourse you have and ank actually has pretty thick skin.

HAHA

I actually lol'd when I read this. what "cold hard truth" have you presented for MS being scum here? you're writing a bunch of words about how MS is "obvscum" and "this is his scum game" without explaining why you actually think this - the only plausible reason you've actually given was the thing with him replacing out, but that's so fakeable *if* he's town here it's not funny

it's as I said. this is even more pointless noise aimed to distract.

[Grib]

Mod, cancel V/LA, please.

[Yukari]

Don't lynch metal d1 pls, just don't. We will explain why @ dawn of d2. If you think MS = scum then look for his scumbuddy for d1 lynch.

[White Night Imagination]

eh.

vote: Boo

[ika]

pie im about "this" close from lsoing it.

you are aware if he does live im not going to be doing jack shit untill hes gone right?

[White Night Imagination]

I get that you're trusting mollie, etc., but put bluntly, I fucking hate the way she's pushing him. I won't sheep a push that has obvious scum intent and literally no fucking reasoning outside of MS "replacing out". and I have enough experience with MS to make my own judgement call on him.

if you sold me on mollie town or otherwise explained why her push isn't scum motivated at the least, I'd be more inclined to buy it

[Frogging Mollie]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

My lynch pool at the moment is [Bellaphant/Bookitty/Hydrangea/ZZZX].

I have a strong gut feeling that Metal Sonic is town, despite his atrocities. mollie made a good point about how he probably faked the whole list mods thing, but I think that's just kind of a shitty thing to do rather than scummy.

it IS a scummy thing to do and has BEEN DONE BY SCUM BEFORE and you are

rewarding

him by letting him get away with it which is shittier than what metal is trying to do in the first place.

Just because it's been done by scum before doesn't mean it's always only going to be done by scum.

I'm being chickenshit about it because I think he's just bad town this game. It happens. If you feel so strongly that he's scum, get him lynched. You don't need my vote to do it. If he flips scum, then I apologize. I don't want any part in his lynch. At least not toDay.

See what I did, going through his ISO and pointing out why I think he's town? Do the same for me. Tell me why he's scum. Let's put the fake replace out thing to the side for a second. Please try to go into the mindset behind his posts, not just his words.

saying he is being bad town is how scum win games on this site. cos scum count on town derping the fuck out of the game and it is their only recourse when caught red-handed early on d1.

I have told you why he is scum. I have said so numerous times. I am *in* the mindset of metal better than you cos I understand him and I have explained why he is scum and why his posts point to a scum mindset. this is simply what he does when he is scum going down.

if metal is town then this game will be pl fodder in future games. metal is 1 of those rare mafia players in that he actually grasps his impact on future games and I wld like to think that he wld not throw his town meta away just to win future games as scum.

I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp. he knows this and more importantly he knows that I KNOW HE KNOWS THIS. his scumgame is a conglomerate of nacho/mastina/etl/titus <------- these are his scum influences.

I wish I cld make it easier for you but I don't know how. I am trying. but I am finding myself in the spot of having to prove an obvscum mindset and the questions that you are asking are already addressed so I am really stumped as to what to say to try to convince you of lynching obvscum here.

I get really frustrated when I think things shld be oh so easy and am thwarted by stubborn town. stubborn town think "oh it can't be this easy" when I am like yes it can, just follow the roadsigns that will guide you in the right direction.

my guard is down with you cos I think you are town and this is a reach out by the way.

[White Night Imagination]

like, she posts a bunch of words saying MS is scum here, and offers vague reasoning behind it, but if you actually look at her posts, she

never

actually elaborates on how MS's actions actually fit what she's saying or why the way he's doing it is scummy

/shrug

p-edit: @ika

[White Night Imagination]

^and she just did it again in that post

[Grib]

Grib

ika
elusive

Metal Sonic
White Night Imagination (pieguyn + Brian Skies)
Hydrangea
Plum

Frogging Mollie (pirate mollie + Frogger)
singersigner
Yukari

Bellaphant r Andrius
ZZZX
Bookitty

is where I'm at. The [Plum/Frogging Mollie/singersigner/Yukari] cluster is the shakiest. At one point or another, everyone above Bellaphant has had at least a couple posts that made me stop and think they were town.

Honestly, based on unaligned pairs, Sonic's flip would actually be really great, but. Townread. Bleh.

[ika]

I get that you're trusting mollie, etc., but put bluntly, I fucking hate the way she's pushing him. I won't sheep a push that has obvious scum intent and literally no fucking reasoning outside of MS "replacing out". and I have enough experience with MS to make my own judgement call on him.

if you sold me on mollie town or otherwise explained why her push isn't scum motivated at the least, I'd be more inclined to buy it

what benifit does scum!mollie get from pushing MS all day over anyone else?

i want you to go read that nightless game and tell me how amny people sonic conviced he was town (heres a lit of players as well that i know offhand: grayice, nacho, abr, ZZZX for a while)

go read that game and tell me if you think MS is trying the same shit he did with ABR and trying to buddy me up from the get go.

go read that damned game and tell me why the fuck should i even consider the shit town?

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pedit: mollie, plz, talk to me about yukari and andy reads. i need someone to talk to before i regress to HU2 mode where i was yellling a bunch of shit

pie: im going to be this once, its meta realted reasons as well as the bond we share that i turst her. its unexpalinable to be honest but i refuse to accept mollie is scum pushing town!MS on day 1. and i will fight you to the fucking bitter end on that

pedit2: she has been stating it all damn game tbf, i can understand 100%. i dont get how you dont see it. shes tryig her damn best to artiulate it but you keep going "nope nope nope"

like its just there and i dont know how to fuckign explain it any better

[Hydrangea]

could you give a key for your colour scheme grib

[Frogging Mollie]

mollie, Sonic's entire play is basically anti-everything. It doesn't benefit him as town or as scum, and he's been posting in this fashion since the beginning of the game.

Why is he scum?

it benefits his scum game cos site meta points to letting him get away with it which is exactly what is happening right now.

do you have any idea how hard it is to get scum lynched on here? cos it is hard. you usually have to convince scummates to bus and that isn't as easy as it used to be.

if metal is town then this game will be used for wotc for putting ank in an awkward position and you know what? I am okay with that. I just think he is scum here.

[Grib]

saying he is being bad town is how scum win games on this site. cos scum count on town derping the fuck out of the game and it is their only recourse when caught red-handed early on d1.

I have told you why he is scum. I have said so numerous times. I am *in* the mindset of metal better than you cos I understand him and I have explained why he is scum and why his posts point to a scum mindset. this is simply what he does when he is scum going down.

if metal is town then this game will be pl fodder in future games. metal is 1 of those rare mafia players in that he actually grasps his impact on future games and I wld like to think that he wld not throw his town meta away just to win future games as scum.

I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp. he knows this and more importantly he knows that I KNOW HE KNOWS THIS. his scumgame is a conglomerate of nacho/mastina/etl/titus <------- these are his scum influences.

I wish I cld make it easier for you but I don't know how. I am trying. but I am finding myself in the spot of having to prove an obvscum mindset and the questions that you are asking are already addressed so I am really stumped as to what to say to try to convince you of lynching obvscum here.

I get really frustrated when I think things shld be oh so easy and am thwarted by stubborn town. stubborn town think "oh it can't be this easy" when I am like yes it can, just follow the roadsigns that will guide you in the right direction.

my guard is down with you cos I think you are town and this is a reach out by the way.

Bad townies happen, and scum will take advantage of that. That's true. But aside from doing our best to determine one from the other, there isn't anything that can be done about it.

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

If this weren't Day 1 and you had more town credibility or something, I'd be more inclined to believe you. As it happens, it is, you don't, and I really, really would like for you to walk me through his posts so I can see for myself. 'i know him and he's scum, i promise' is just setting off red flags for me.

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

[ika]

mollie, i need som sleep.

plz, be around later i am going to blow a gasket and i need you to be around when i do

[Grib]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?