Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Grib]

could you give a key for your colour scheme grib

Goes in order of Roy G. Biv minus yellow. Red is scumlean, purple is townfirm + me (as the game goes on I put dead townies up there just because).

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.14

Bookitty (4)

- Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination

[L-3]

Metal Sonic (3)

- singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika

ZZZX (2)

- Bellaphant, White Night Imagination, Yukari

Yukari (2)

- Metal Sonic, ZZZX, Hydrangra

White Night Imagination (1)

- Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until May 25

singersigner is V/LA until May 26th

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[ika]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?

read his iso alone then at least is that so fucking hard?

if i really need to go find damned quotes to shove the damned point i will when im nto fucked up pissed at you guys

[ika]

mollie, talk to me plz i need someon to talk me out of my anger right now

[Grib]

mollie, Sonic's entire play is basically anti-everything. It doesn't benefit him as town or as scum, and he's been posting in this fashion since the beginning of the game.

Why is he scum?

it benefits his scum game cos site meta points to letting him get away with it which is exactly what is happening right now.

do you have any idea how hard it is to get scum lynched on here? cos it is hard. you usually have to convince scummates to bus and that isn't as easy as it used to be.

if metal is town then this game will be used for wotc for putting ank in an awkward position and you know what? I am okay with that. I just think he is scum here.

Ugh. I really, really feel like we're starting to get into policy lynch territory and those really suck.

Like. If we were on some of the other sites I play on, he'd have been force-replaced or modkilled by now.

Like I said, I won't cry if he gets lynched. I just don't feel comfortable participating in that wagon, for in-game and out-of-game reasons.

[Grib]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?

read his iso alone then at least is that so fucking hard?

if i really need to go find damned quotes to shove the damned point i will when im nto fucked up pissed at you guys

I'll go through it tomorrow or something.

[Grib]

His ISO in that game is over a thousand posts long. Fuck me.

[Frogging Mollie]

I get that you're trusting mollie, etc., but put bluntly, I fucking hate the way she's pushing him. I won't sheep a push that has obvious scum intent and literally no fucking reasoning outside of MS "replacing out". and I have enough experience with MS to make my own judgement call on him.

if you sold me on mollie town or otherwise explained why her push isn't scum motivated at the least, I'd be more inclined to buy it

I was pushing metal before the fake replace out thing so your logic chain fails miserably here doesn't it.

what reward wld I get from a lynched town!metal as scum exactly? taking out a strong town player? lynching 1 of the pple who are not as invested wld be better play IMO and nking a strong town player is clearly the better course of action but I am not interested in making friends to try to vet a bad lynch I am saying that metal is scum and your attempts to derail his lynch look sooper desperate.

[White Night Imagination]

lmao. you are kidding me, right

[White Night Imagination]

if you were reading the game, you would know why what you just said is blatantly wrong

but you don't care - you're scum spouting bullshit in order to distract

[White Night Imagination]

what benifit does scum!mollie get from pushing MS all day over anyone else?

1. it gives her something to do to look like she's scum hunting when she really isn't (you'll notice her apparent Andrius read is literally the first read she had outside of MS/me. COINCIDENCE?)

2. she can likely get MS lynched - for proof of this, see MS' "replace out" which is just about the easiest angle ever for scum to push *if* he is town here

frankly, pushing him as scum despite supposedly being able to read him 100% is a perfectly viable course of action. I don't really think it's a good idea to just assume she wouldn't push MS-town if she was scum here.

it looks like you disagree with this entirely on principle, though, so whateverr

pedit2: she has been stating it all damn game tbf, i can understand 100%. i dont get how you dont see it. shes tryig her damn best to artiulate it but you keep going "nope nope nope"

she has been stating it all game, yes. she has *not* actually explained why in any of the times she's stated it - when she does provide reasoning, it is usually entirely unsubstantiated or is smth that is not inherently scummy.

so

[ika]

she has though?

like she has been stating it and your shrugin it with "its bad play"

[White Night Imagination]

where?

every time she's called him scum, she either just doesn't back it up with anything or she doesn't actually explain *how* MS' play fits what she's saying or why it's scummy

[ika]

mollie tell me when your caught up plz i would like to sync with you on ppl

pedit: -.-

I am caught up now!

metal is confscum at this point. like no really he is confscum.

re: ank locking the thread:

in molliegeddon scum!mastina tried to pull this same bs by saying he contacted the admins. anti and I locked the thread and then I contacted all of the admins to ask them to speed up the process of sorting the situ cos guyett WAS in every manner crossing the line with mastina and anti (co-mod) and I were already in the process of talking about what we shld do. it was my decision that both slots shld be replaced since the game was a bit compromised. the admins had no idea what was going on but upon investigation suspended guyett for 2 weeks.

fyi - buymechocolate was 1 of the hydras I used for flavour cos I <3 metal and he knows this. <----- this shld tell the nature of our relationship. when he is scum he tends to play the victim card with me cos it the only mileage he can get; sympathy from others cos of my abrasive playstyle. metal loves playing scum but I am pretty sure by now he hates being scum against me cos I understand him. he knows I love him and he loves me too but he still has to play to his wc and will try to do what he can for his team.

I think ank had to double check some things to make sure that everything was within the rules (which they are) and to make sure he was reading the situ correctly. which he did hence the unlock. when a player bypasses the gm to go over their heads and bring in the listmods you simply have to verify that cos as a gm it is your ass that is on line and you are held accountable for maintaining control of the game.

I have seen the tactic that metal is using from scum 4 times, etl even won a scummy for it. I think it is despicable personally but whatevs.

metal is scum here and if you pple try to lynch any1 other than him then I am just going to get bitter about mafia again cos I am sick to death of town dithering over lynching obvscum.

IF metal happens to flip town (and I have srs doubts here) he is throwing his town meta to support a scum 1 cos I have not said 1 single antagonstic thing towards metal, elusive yes, metal no, I read him as scum, have made a case and voted him.

I am not budging from his lynch. cos either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town. and metal's town is not bad, he can actually be quite good when he wants to be.

VOTE: metal

^this sums it up nice IMO

[Frogging Mollie]

Bad townies happen, and scum will take advantage of that. That's true. But aside from doing our best to determine one from the other, there isn't anything that can be done about it.

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

If this weren't Day 1 and you had more town credibility or something, I'd be more inclined to believe you. As it happens, it is, you don't, and I really, really would like for you to walk me through his posts so I can see for myself. 'i know him and he's scum, i promise' is just setting off red flags for me.

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

I am not going to repeat what has been evident in the game which you keep trying to find excuses to handwave away and decide to be stubborn about it cos it was not your idea in the first place.

I am talking to you like an equal, period, end of story.

I am fairly certain that I have this repellant that makes pple do the opposite of what I want them to do. nuwen said this morning when she was dropping me off that I am charismatic enough to get a nerd job in a gaming store cos really that is what I want. I want to hang out with nerds all day and talk about gaming.

[ika]

I have seen the tactic that metal is using from scum 4 times, etl even won a scummy for it. I think it is despicable personally but whatevs.

im going to empathis this

4 times. are you going to discount that as well pie?

pedit:

mollie do you need me or would you like to do it?

[Frogging Mollie]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?

and I don't want to revisit a 1000+ iso.

scum!metal is capitalizing on your not wanting to look at it, it is why scum spam post in the first place. it dirties up a metadive.

what metal has done in THIS game shld be enough to lynch him.

[Grib]

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

[...]

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

I am not trying to handwave your read, I'm trying to understand it beyond your familiarity with him.

Yes, you're talking to me as an equal, that's great, I heard you the first time. I don't think I've ever implied that you were being condescending or anything, nor am I trying to discredit you based on the tone of your post.

I also want to hang out with nerds all day and talk about gaming. But first I want to understand your scumread on Sonic.

Also, which four games did he do it in and do you believe he'd go for it for a fifth time? Especially with you in the game?

ika, that thing you quoted is what we're trying to talk around at the moment.

[Grib]

It probably wasn't clear, but I quoted the parts of my post I would like answered. Like, just pick ~8 posts. I didn't go through his entire ISO, so I'm not trying to ask anything that would be unfair to you.

[Frogging Mollie]

mollie, talk to me plz i need someon to talk me out of my anger right now

CAAAAAAAALM

if town wins this game it will be a 9/10 town win for me and hell yeah I am being pretty fucking egotistical about it. except that I acknowledge and KNOW that it is NOT something that I can ever do on my own, a town win takes group town effort, it is just a matter of getting town there in the first place.

it is just exhausting trying to get this to happen.

[White Night Imagination]

^this sums it up nice IMO

the only actual reasoning in that entire post is that MS is scum for supposedly faking a replace out

the rest of it is, again, all noise - saying MS usually plays the victim card with her when scum (without explaining how this applies to this specific game), continuing to push this "MS is throwing his town meta to his scum meta" which still isn't a reason for MS being scum to begin with, saying MS is "confscum", and calling for more people to lynch MS

it's as I said. that is literally the only time this entire game she gave any reasoning at all for MS being scum - and it's so fakeable it's not funny. if you're scum and someone pulls something like that as town, you will naturally never let up on it bc of how fucking awful it looks. that kind of behavior is typical of scum taking advantage of town making a mistake. (not that I think she's scum for it - just that the way she's pushing it is not town)

there is no reasoning given anywhere outside of that post. seriously, go back and check. IF you can show me where she gave any kind of case at all that wasn't just "this is MS's scum game" - and actually backed it up with evidence as opposed to just stating shit and hoping people accept it as truth without cross referencing it - I'll drop this, but she fucking hasn't.

[White Night Imagination]

I am not going to repeat what has been evident in the game which you keep trying to find excuses to handwave away and decide to be stubborn about it cos it was not your idea in the first place.

ITT:

mollie: "ms is obvscum"
Grib: "spell out why he's obvscum"
mollie: "I'm not going to bother spelling it out bc he's obvscum!"

[Frogging Mollie]

Bad townies happen, and scum will take advantage of that. That's true. But aside from doing our best to determine one from the other, there isn't anything that can be done about it.

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

If this weren't Day 1 and you had more town credibility or something, I'd be more inclined to believe you. As it happens, it is, you don't, and I really, really would like for you to walk me through his posts so I can see for myself. 'i know him and he's scum, i promise' is just setting off red flags for me.

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

I think metal is scum. that is why I am voting him.

I have already said as to why I think he is scum in this game itt.

I am telling YOU exactly what I think, I don't think it shld be this hard to lynch a liar.

if it is then jesus christ site meta took a nosedive. just when we were about to get to places.

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