Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.15

Bookitty (4)

- Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination

[L-3]

Metal Sonic (3)

- singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika

ZZZX (2)

- Bellaphant, Yukari

Yukari (2)

- ZZZX, Hydrangra

White Night Imagination (1)

- Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until May 25

singersigner is V/LA until May 26th

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Grib]

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through [8 of] his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

[...]

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

Do you see 504? Do something like that. It is literally that easy. Pretty please. Take a deep breath and humor me.

I am WELL AWARE that you and Sonic have PLAYED TOGETHER A LOT and your READ ON HIM is probably LEAGUES MORE ACCURATE than mine, but if you WANT ME TO VOTE WITH YOU it is YOUR JOB to CONVINCE ME and REFUTE MY REASONING for finding him town.

I'm not yelling at you, it's just easier to shift than italicize.

[Grib]

either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town.

saying he is being bad town is how scum win games on this site.

Like. Please understand where I'm coming from here.

[Frogging Mollie]

^this sums it up nice IMO

the only actual reasoning in that entire post is that MS is scum for supposedly faking a replace out

the rest of it is, again, all noise - saying MS usually plays the victim card with her when scum (without explaining how this applies to this specific game), continuing to push this "MS is throwing his town meta to his scum meta" which still isn't a reason for MS being scum to begin with, saying MS is "confscum", and calling for more people to lynch MS

it's as I said. that is literally the only time this entire game she gave any reasoning at all for MS being scum - and it's so fakeable it's not funny. if you're scum and someone pulls something like that as town, you will naturally never let up on it bc of how fucking awful it looks. that kind of behavior is typical of scum taking advantage of town making a mistake. (not that I think she's scum for it - just that the way she's pushing it is not town)

there is no reasoning given anywhere outside of that post. seriously, go back and check. IF you can show me where she gave any kind of case at all that wasn't just "this is MS's scum game" - and actually backed it up with evidence as opposed to just stating shit and hoping people accept it as truth without cross referencing it - I'll drop this, but she fucking hasn't.

I have explained it

TWICE

.

your defense of him is an actual chainsaw defense and is diametrically opposed to what a chainsaw defense is in how the term has been used in this game.

YOU CAN LEAD PPLE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN"T FORCE THEM TO DRINK.

they have to come up with it on their own. it is the only way that they can feel good about it and feel like that they made a meaningful contribution.

[White Night Imagination]

k

now link me *where* you actually explained it

[Frogging Mollie]

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through [8 of] his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

[...]

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

Do you see 504? Do something like that. It is literally that easy. Pretty please. Take a deep breath and humor me.

I am WELL AWARE that you and Sonic have PLAYED TOGETHER A LOT and your READ ON HIM is probably LEAGUES MORE ACCURATE than mine, but if you WANT ME TO VOTE WITH YOU it is YOUR JOB to CONVINCE ME and REFUTE MY REASONING for finding him town.

I'm not yelling at you, it's just easier to shift than italicize

.

yessssss

I am tired and winding down. or at least trying to.

I don't know how to convince you more than what have I already have said. even if you think he is bad town (and I find it unlikely) then lynch him so that particular behavior can be exhumed from games. but I don't think he is bad town I think he is scum here.

I am tired of repeating myself. my approach to the game is moving town in and forcing scum out. I think you are town. elusive too, but the 2 of you seem more interested in clawing my hand off and I am like no really we are town no really can we just lynch scum already.

[White Night Imagination]

so Grib.

have you considered that mollie's constant refusal to give a more specific explanation of why MS is scum here when asked might just be bc...... she's scum BS'ing her push and doesn't actually have an explanation?

[Frogging Mollie]

so Grib.

have you considered that mollie's constant refusal to give a more specific explanation of why MS is scum here when asked might just be bc...... she's scum BS'ing her push and doesn't actually have an explanation?

erm

you acknowledged that metal lied.

you awkwardly tried to clear him for it.

recap: metal was sucking up to ika early game which is what he did to nacho in nightless.

refutation:

*crickets*

recap:

he is OMGUSing any1 who suspects him

refutation:

"BUT THIS IS NOT A SCUMTELL"

and it isn't.

except when you take in body of work.

recap: OMG METAL IS LYING ABOUT THE MOD AND THE ACTIONS HE TOOK COS MOLLIE IS BEING MEAN

refutation:

somehow this makes him not scum.

and all I have to say is like, really

[White Night Imagination]

you awkwardly tried to clear him for it.

except I didn't - I merely pointed out that in this case it wasn't a good reason for reading him as scum. this is not "clearing" him. my town read on him comes from other reasons.

recap: metal was sucking up to ika early game which is what he did to nacho in nightless.

OK. so, this is referring to him claiming at several points early game he was "sheeping ika".

the first problem with this is that this isn't really sucking up to him. how, exactly, is saying you're "sheeping" someone in RVS sucking up to them? why couldn't it be something simple like RVS shenanigans? there is nothing wrong here - blatantly sheeping someone in RVS is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. there is nothing about this that is more indicative of scum than town.

moreover, *if* he wanted to suck up to someone, what benefit would there be to doing it to ika as opposed to someone he is more familiar with (such as myself or yourself)? and even if he did see it fit to buddy ika for whatever reason, where was the follow-up on it? just "sheeping" someone in RVS really does not buddying make as it really does not do anything to gain credibility with someone in the long term - if that was his scum strategy here, he likely would have continued to buddy up to him after RVS was over, or at least done *something* else along those lines, but that's not what he did. the next mention of ika was 166 (reads list where he puts him as town) and then 282/285 (mentions him in passing).

there's nothing in his ISO up to this point that could be construed as buddying or sucking up to him. so you think his scum strategy was apparently to sheep ika in RVS in order to buddy him, bc he thought this would allow him to get on ika's good side for ..... ??? ..... and then completely drop it?

saying that he's scum for doing the same thing he did in his scum game, by itself, is also shallow, for the same reason. I'm pretty sure MS generally buddies ppl when he's town as well as when he's scum. saying it's part of his scum game feels more like you're twisting the evidence to fit the conclusion instead of analyzing it objectively - that he would likely do something like this as either alignment.

what you're doing here completely discounts the context behind his posts. as far as I could tell, he buddied up to Nacho in the nightless game bc Nacho was a strong force as town who would likely be adept at pushing lynches and they have a fair amount of experience with each other. ergo, gaining credibility with him would be useful bc he would be likely to strongly town read him as a result or otherwise not get him lynched. how is that the same as what he's doing here? no offense to ika but I really do not think he would be that high priority of a target for buddying here. it's as I said before. why, strategically, would he have buddied ika here?

it's not the same fucking thing. and you claiming it is reads more like you're pushing a throwaway reason for him being scum without actually considering the context, or the motivation, behind his posts.

recap: he is OMGUSing any1 who suspects him

except he isn't?

he pretty fucking obviously is not scum reading you. rather, he is attempting to convince you that your read on him is incorrect and that you are giving scum places to hide. this has been the case ever since the start of the game. rather than attempting to discredit you by calling you scum, or attempting to buddy up to/manipulate you, he's attempting to convince you that your push on him is misguided and appeal to you to vote along with him.

it's true that he is scum reading Boo, who is scum reading him - except his scum read on Boo started from 166, whereas Boo started scum reading MS in 284. so it is incorrect to claim that he did it in response to Boo scum reading him. he also explained the Boo read to some extent; he believes Boo's recent posting is devoid of actual content, which is actually a pretty accurate assessment of her posts. the same thing with Plum - Plum had suspected him early, but he put her as leaning town at that point in the game. his scum read on Plum did not exist until recently. so it is, again, incorrect to claim he did it in response to Plum scum reading him

the only person this actually applies to is Yukari. and at that point, you can't fucking say he is "omgus'ing anyone who suspects him" - it's only one person. this, by itself, is not more likely to come from scum than town. it is natural for town to look at someone pushing them and conclude that their push is not coming from a town place.

except when you take in body of work.

OK. so what, specifically, about the "body of work" makes him scum here?

you're, again, claiming this without backing it up. this entire angle needs more elaboration - you can't just claim "lol body of work" as a reason for thinking something is scummy. body of work can mean basically anything. what are you referring to here?

[White Night Imagination]

also, I hope you're aware that none of that has anything to do with what I even asked

if you supposedly think MS is doing all these things, you should be able to answer which posts, specifically, make you think this. but you aren't - bc you don't actually believe what you're saying.

[Bookitty]

I apologise for abandoning this on Friday night and not returning, but I have unexpected house guests because I stupidly mentioned to my mother on the phone that I didn't have plans for Memorial Day weekend. This is on me, but I'm going to be pretty busy this weekend now.

[singersigner]

I did the phone things! Unfortunately this is one of my busier days (I think, lol) so I will try not to get more behind than the 8-9 pars I already am. =/

I was able to read a couple of paws on other phones yesterday, though, so I at least have an idea of stuff that happened not in the last four pages. >_>

Anyway.

Cheers.

[Frogging Mollie]

pie posted:

except I didn't - I merely pointed out that in this case it wasn't a good reason for reading him as scum. this is not "clearing" him. my town read on him comes from other reasons.

okay. he is somehow town when he lied about not only the mod but the listmods as well.

my god he is such a fantastic player we shld save him right now.

OK. so, this is referring to him claiming at several points early game he was "sheeping ika".

the first problem with this is that this isn't really sucking up to him. how, exactly, is saying you're "sheeping" someone in RVS sucking up to them? why couldn't it be something simple like RVS shenanigans? there is nothing wrong here - blatantly sheeping someone in RVS is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. there is nothing about this that is more indicative of scum than town.

he sheeped ika out of rvs or did you forget that. when questioned he tried to pass off an "oh its ika" excuse and when questioned again he ignored it. funny how you seem to have forgotten this. like what he did is the very definition of buddying and I find it amusing how much you are pretending that isn't what he was doing.

moreover, *if* he wanted to suck up to someone, what benefit would there be to doing it to ika as opposed to someone he is more familiar with (such as myself or yourself)? and even if he did see it fit to buddy ika for whatever reason, where was the follow-up on it? just "sheeping" someone in RVS really does not buddying make as it really does not do anything to gain credibility with someone in the long term - if that was his scum strategy here, he likely would have continued to buddy up to him after RVS was over, or at least done *something* else along those lines, but that's not what he did. the next mention of ika was 166 (reads list where he puts him as town) and then 282/285 (mentions him in passing).

he continued to buddy ika out of rvs cos ika said he was out of rvs and metal continued to sheep him and said that was what he was doing.

metal never sheeps me as scum he does the exact same thing that he is doing here which is to bait, discredit and play victim.

plz explain to me the town motivation for lying about the gm. I am going to ask this question until you give a plausible reason for it fyi.

there's nothing in his ISO up to this point that could be construed as buddying or sucking up to him. so you think his scum strategy was apparently to sheep ika in RVS in order to buddy him, bc he thought this would allow him to get on ika's good side for ..... ??? ..... and then completely drop it?

saying that he's scum for doing the same thing he did in his scum game, by itself, is also shallow, for the same reason. I'm pretty sure MS generally buddies ppl when he's town as well as when he's scum. saying it's part of his scum game feels more like you're twisting the evidence to fit the conclusion instead of analyzing it objectively - that he would likely do something like this as either alignment.

I think you are twisting the evidence into a pretzel trying to make him somehow appear more town when he so isn't.

what you're doing here completely discounts the context behind his posts. as far as I could tell, he buddied up to Nacho in the nightless game bc Nacho was a strong force as town who would likely be adept at pushing lynches and they have a fair amount of experience with each other. ergo, gaining credibility with him would be useful bc he would be likely to strongly town read him as a result or otherwise not get him lynched. how is that the same as what he's doing here? no offense to ika but I really do not think he would be that high priority of a target for buddying here. it's as I said before. why, strategically, would he have buddied ika here?

cos ika has sway over the pple whom he invited from the site he plays on. its no big seekrit I listen to ika too.

have you explained the town motivation for him lying about the gm and listmods yet? before I get to the end of this post I hope that you will have done so even if it is a plausible deniability disclosure.

it's not the same fucking thing. and you claiming it is reads more like you're pushing a throwaway reason for him being scum without actually considering the context, or the motivation, behind his posts.

jesus christ. I love how acting as if that is the main part of argument at this point and ignoring that metal lied about the mods.

he pretty fucking obviously is not scum reading you. rather, he is attempting to convince you that your read on him is incorrect and that you are giving scum places to hide. this has been the case ever since the start of the game. rather than attempting to discredit you by calling you scum, or attempting to buddy up to/manipulate you, he's attempting to convince you that your push on him is misguided and appeal to you to vote along with him.

pretty sure he was scumreading me at that point which is why he was voting me?

if he is town and lying about the mods then THAT IS GIVING SCUM ROOM TO HIDE COS IT IS SCUMMY AS FUCK THING TO DO AND I AM GOOD WITH LYNCHING THE SHIT OUT OF SOME1 WHO DOES THAT.

it's true that he is scum reading Boo, who is scum reading him - except his scum read on Boo started from 166, whereas Boo started scum reading MS in 284. so it is incorrect to claim that he did it in response to Boo scum reading him. he also explained the Boo read to some extent; he believes Boo's recent posting is devoid of actual content, which is actually a pretty accurate assessment of her posts. the same thing with Plum - Plum had suspected him early, but he put her as leaning town at that point in the game. his scum read on Plum did not exist until recently. so it is, again, incorrect to claim he did it in response to Plum scum reading him

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

how are you able to nuance his reads w/o acknowledging the lying about the mods? like no really gms sometimes get in trouble for losing control of a game word of mouth is a thing about a mod and I am wondering how the fuck you are endorsing this behaviour.

the only person this actually applies to is Yukari. and at that point, you can't fucking say he is "omgus'ing anyone who suspects him" - it's only one person. this, by itself, is not more likely to come from scum than town. it is natural for town to look at someone pushing them and conclude that their push is not coming from a town place.

he OMGUSed me and then yukari when yukari spelled it out.

still waiting for the townie mindset to be explained about lying about mod interaction.

I bet it won't come forth.

if metal is town then I am still good with his lynch for that reason and that reason alone. cos I will not stand for 1 second some1 casting shade on a mod whom I personally support and will do everything in my power to disabuse that shit. cos that is what it is, it is shit.

I think metal is scum. sucking up to town is what scum!metal does and no you have not given good reasons as to the town motivation behind it. instead you are giving loosey goosey reasons and enabling really bad crossing the boundaries for what shld be acceptable in a game.

I am drawing a line here right now and saying I don't think that shit is okay. I see metal doing it to be scum-motivated and it largely comes from that I don't think metal wld be that much of a douche if town. and if he is town then he is giving scum room to hide and dragging the gm and other players down in the process.

which wld be shitty. and I am A-okay lynching shitty players on d1.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX (2) - Andrius, White Night Imagination, Yukari

so

And:has the vote since rvs and has said he town reads me before he replaces, so vote here has no value

WNI:I dont get it, explain the reason to scum reading me

Yukari: I dont get urs either, its a pure omgus with some "omg saying im saying bullshit is bullshit" without explain it... yea

anyway i skimed last few pages but didnt read in depth, wanted to say something but tbh i cant remeber what it was, checking back later

[Bellaphant]

okay.

I find it kind of strange that you think you wni's posts somehow are "logical" yet somehow miss his hard defense of metal, I mean did you think those posts were particularly logical when you think metal is "obvscum"?

and out of all that has been posted those were the only 1s compared to all other players?

this grieves me

I don't understand your third sentence. WNI seems, at times, to be frustrated that others aren't sharing their POV, which isn't a scum tell, but...

while I agree MS' "replace out" looks really bad, the problem is that I think he might actually do something like that as town - along the lines of legitimately wanting to replace out, deciding not to, and then making up the excuse after the fact hoping he won't look like complete shit off it

survivalism != automatically scum for someone like him

I'm not saying he's town for it; just that *if* I scum read him here, it won't be for that. the only reason I've found potentially compelling for him being scum is still the way he immediately reacted to mollie/Yukari out the gate.

I haven't checked Yukari's meta yet. will do that after catching up.

Is terrible. As is the continued asking for froggingmollie to back their shit up, when it's kinda obvious what's going on. Cancel my town-read on that slot for now.

ZZZX, Hydrangra, and ika. We suspect at least 1 or 2 scum among them.

Hi Yukari: can you talk to me about your ika read?

i'm going to presume this question was for me. If it wasn't for me my bad... probably a good idea for me to get in the habit of doing something along these lines anyway

@Bellaphant

1. Why do you find yukari townish? Is it because you consider MS to be ovs-scum? If it is that is there any other reason that you find them null-towny, or if it isn't that what are your reasons?
2. If you consider MS ovs-scum why aren't you voting him?
3. Your vote is still on ZZZX via Andrius who previously inhabited your slot... do you intend to move it to MS or keep it on ZZZX? If your keeping it on Z can you explain why you find them more scummy than MS?

1) Partly, yeah - mainly his response to it, in posts such as 293. Also, although I'm not always following their thought process, the 'flow' of it seems very natural and town-y. Their thoughts about the set-up and ms seeing their role pm are either a really clever manipulation, or something I'd read as town. If you disagree, why?
2. Have a terrible, but honest, answer - I was drunk last night and I don't drunk-vote. Will rectify this.
3. See above. I'm moving it.

However,

ZZZX (2) - Andrius, White Night Imagination, Yukari

so

And:has the vote since rvs and has said he town reads me before he replaces, so vote here has no value

WNI:I dont get it, explain the reason to scum reading me

Yukari: I dont get urs either, its a pure omgus with some "omg saying im saying bullshit is bullshit" without explain it... yea

anyway i skimed last few pages but didnt read in depth, wanted to say something but tbh i cant remeber what it was, checking back later

This focus on his votes is really survivalist and weird. He's not even using it to make comments on the people voting him, it's all about the votes. Also, the post almost acknowledges the lack of content...ugh. Is this pinging for anyone else?

However, for now,

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Yukari]

Just woke up n caught up with thread. Gonna make a quick post then do a cpl iso.

what benifit does scum!mollie get from pushing MS all day over anyone else?

1. it gives her something to do to look like she's scum hunting when she really isn't (you'll notice her apparent Andrius read is literally the first read she had outside of MS/me. COINCIDENCE?)

2. she can likely get MS lynched - for proof of this, see MS' "replace out" which is just about the easiest angle ever for scum to push *if* he is town here

frankly, pushing him as scum despite supposedly being able to read him 100% is a perfectly viable course of action. I don't really think it's a good idea to just assume she wouldn't push MS-town if she was scum here.

it looks like you disagree with this entirely on principle, though, so whateverr

pedit2: she has been stating it all damn game tbf, i can understand 100%. i dont get how you dont see it. shes tryig her damn best to artiulate it but you keep going "nope nope nope"

she has been stating it all game, yes. she has *not* actually explained why in any of the times she's stated it - when she does provide reasoning, it is usually entirely unsubstantiated or is smth that is not inherently scummy.

so

We mostly agree with this read on mollie, can def see her as scum, which is a scary thought since she oozes town vibes to us. We want to believe mollie is town.
@White night, Do you see scum mollie if MS is scum? Or more likely if MS town?
@Singer, what do you think about mollie?
@Mollie, who are your top scumpects?

[Bellaphant]

Yukari, I asked you about your ika read

[Yukari]

Yukari, I asked you about your ika read

We starting on his iso now

[Yukari]

Then will iso bookitty then mollie.

[Yukari]

Overall, we read ika as town. A cpl of things poke at us tho, like the mollie worship. Could see a mollie/ika scumteam but atm both of them as town seems more likely.

[ZZZX]

I do have a blood test and a few official papers that are being done today do I am a little busy . but I generally read people based on their attack of me or interactions. @bella

[Yukari]

Boo seems to have a pretty lurky iso, with small bit of mollie worship thrown in. Hard to put my finger on why exactly, but we are getting some bad vibes from what little has been posted.

Vote: bookitty

Think that is L-2 now. Would like to hear more from boo.
Will take a bit longer to get through mollie iso.

[Metal Sonic]

The chill pills wore off. I absolutely have to respond to mollie's bullshit, because if I just watched at how pieguy is breaking his back to defend me and help me, I'd be a dick.

Firstly, calm territories:

We mostly agree with this read on mollie, can def see her as scum, which is a scary thought since she oozes town vibes to us. We want to believe mollie is town.

I mostly agree with Yukari's read on the above. I too am afraid that mollie is the one that fell for the honeypot, not you Yukari. Which is hell of problematic, because I was adamant that you were the one.

I remembered that I have a weakness of disengaging on scum when they townread me after my interrogation. So do not think that you are in the clear yet. It's just that I'm away on de-stress non-spam leave.

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okay. he is somehow town when he lied about not only the mod but the listmods as well.

I find it absolutely deplorable that you're latching onto this action so strongly when 1) You don't even understand the situation AT ALL 2) You don't even bother to consider the obvious town motivations that I had for it, even though you "claim" to know me "best". 3) You know that I lie as both alignments. And (3) Isn't even applicable here because I wasn't lying about PMing 5 listmods.

How about I explain it right now so that you can shut up about it and drop it like how pieguy quickly dismantled all your other accusations against me.

Of course I knew that the listmods won't respond to me in 10 minutes. How fucking dumb do you think I am? You appear to think I'm a genius, here

I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp.

So why the hell would I ask 5 - FIVE - 5 listmods. Because of your very answer "They don't respond so fast".


I wanted them to clarify if I was breaking any rules with whatever I planned upon replace-out. It's

that simple

obviously not very difficult to imagine, because I've toed the line a number of times and you KNOW this. It's not something that I thought that Anky was at a position to answer, plus his response time was probably slower.

And let's get back to the point about "10 minutes response". Clearly, I had established contact with (one of) them before posting #362. If you'd actually cared or bothered to read the context, you'd be more cognizant that I already had the idea for quite some time. So, it wasn't a fucking 10-minute response, the PM was sent hours before my post.

Since you know the listmods so well, why don't you ask them yourselves about the veracity of my claim?

You're making an obviously biased accusation out of the gate without any consideration for the bigger picture and/or what the situation is really is like. Anybody with two eyes could see how cryptic I was being around that event, so your pushing of it despite your lack of understanding about the situation reflects more poorly upon you than on me.

And I love Anky and I've made that clear. So your accusation about me throwing shade on the mod? I can't believe I'm saying this to you mollie, but

fuck you

.

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I am not budging from his lynch. cos either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town.

And seriously this? Translate: Let's policy lynch Metal Sonic.

Your game here is fucking ridiculous.

Let's see here:

IF metal happens to flip town (and I have srs doubts here) he is throwing his town meta to support a scum 1

What kind of shit accusation is this? I've clearly intended for this game to be a fun one in an enjoyable playerlist, which was why I joined. Andrius, pieguy, Ika, Bookitty...

And you actually make this slanderous bullshit that I would throw my towngame on purpose.

Which player on this site would actually take this shit from you, mollie? Because in the nightless, the backlash from you replacing in was shocking, even to me as scum. And they weren't the only ones who had issues, since that period till now, every time I hear someone hating or unhappy with pirate mollie I get legitimately shocked. Because of this, I wish you're scum here, so that I can forgive you after the game.


So fine, I admit that I'm not playing this game to my top A game. Well, fuck that, this isn't Team Mafia, I don't expect to be held to the same standards as I did in those games. As long as I play nice, hunt scum, and give everyone a fun experience, I'm good. You're not only ruining my experience, but also making a huge collateral fuck out of all of this which I repeat: gives scum room to hide, and make me look like shit, and don't really give Froggy such joy after his poor experience in his newbie. Like, once again I hope you're scum here, because at least Froggy doesn't have to watch all this AS TOWN.

Elusive dislikes me now. Sure, you can deny all of it, saying that it's purely my fault for acting in such a poor manner. But I still blame you.

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I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp. he knows this and more importantly he knows that I KNOW HE KNOWS THIS. his scumgame is a conglomerate of nacho/mastina/etl/titus <------- these are his scum influences.

Seriously now. You praise my scumgame, telling the world about how great my scum meta is and how I cannot be allowed to live, but you are so arrogant as to think for the slightest second that you would be able to catch scum-me at page 2. That's pretty inconsistent, one of the main reasons that you were alive and managed to endgame me was because of my glorious WhiteKnight on your predecessor EddieFenix. I had no angle to hit you with, even though most players were in favor of lynching you. So fuck that, I would have been able to lynch you if I didn't WK Eddie, the nerve of you to think that you would be able to beat my scumgame there. Once again I reiterate, ooba was the MVP of that game. Also, fuck that game, I lost.

My point is: After playing a game so recently with you, EVEN IF I am scum here, you won't be able to catch me on Day 1. So don't give everyone that inconsistent shit about "Sonic's scum meta is good" "He is obviscum"


And you go one step further to talking shit about my town game:

at the very least bad town.

I don't think metal wld be that much of a douche if town

Notwithstanding the crap about me "throwing my town game to support a scum one". Like, that is literally libelous defamation right there, and I wouldn't take that shit from a player not named mollie.

Like. Here's the thing. If you just fucking suck at differentiating my town game and my scumgame, it's

your

problem. You are right that I know my town and scum game pretty well. I play "the differences between sonic's town and scum game" with myself whenever I can. There are indeed differences, and if you can't catch them, it's a lack of understanding on your part.

Or how about this, why don't I PM you the list of differences real quick, so that you can accurately sort me whenever you play with me in future? Or I could PM you a list of trust tells so that you know I'm town instantly. Because if you plan to suck the joy out of my games just to figure out what's different, by some brute force approach, I might as well give you the answers directly. No fuss, no hassle. Just spoonfeeding.


And the point comes where mollie insults me as a player directly:

my god he is such a fantastic player we shld save him right now.

I am A-okay lynching shitty players on d1.

if metal is town then this game will be used for wotc for putting ank in an awkward position and you know what? I am okay with that.

Why don't you keep your story consistent? Because either the above, or the below quote, is bullshit:

he knows I love him and he loves me too

So which one of it is bullshit? They're mutually exclusive.

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I've just showed you how you antagonized me by insulting my scumgame, insulting my towngame, and finally insulting me as a player.

So am I supposed to be townreading you mollie? Because Mollie is mean as town. I learned that after 5 games of your very sweet play that was mostly directed at other players.

Or are you scum who's subjugating my overly simplistic meta-view of "mollie is mean as town and nice as scum"? Are you teaching me a lesson that my poor generalisation is false? Because it's really easy to be become mean just for the sake of it as scum.

I mean, I know. "Sonic is nice as town and mean as scum".

Here, there's your first meta difference free-of-charge. Now you can read me better, cause you're just pretty bad at it when you think you're so great.

[Yukari]

We are a bit split on mollie For manu she is leaning heavy town, but for seras she seems more scumlean.

[Metal Sonic]

We're not lynching mollie today. We'll sort her in future days. Or you guys, if I'm not around. Whatever.


I'm going to take more chill pills so that I won't post in here.