Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.16

Bookitty (5)

- Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, Yukari

[L-2]

Metal Sonic (4)

- singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant

Yukari (2)

- ZZZX, Hydrangra

White Night Imagination (1)

- Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
ZZZX -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until May 25

singersigner is V/LA until May 26th

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Frogging Mollie]

I mean, I know. "Sonic is nice as town and mean as scum".

no, you are an asshole when you are scum a complete and total asshole. you joined in the shitstorm in nightless with abr and grey and never let up.

and you know what? I am so done with the assholes in my life like i am burnt to a crisp and have so much hatred in my heart right now and it is very sad cos hatred is very unnatural to me.

you lied about the listmod bullshit, there were not 5 listmods online when you did what you said you did and no way did they respond w/o consulting ank who was not around at the time which is very fucking obv considering when he locked the thread. and no way wld they say, "you can't replace out" no matter what the circumstances are. every1 reserves the right to replace out of a game if they want to on this site and the listmods support that but lets ask a listmod

YO SINGER

this is the last game we will ever play together metal. I hope it was worth it.

[elusive]

I need to reread but the whole Metal Sonic thing is making my stomach turn.

Bookitty is scummy based on her ISO.

[Grib]

okay. he is somehow town when he lied about not only the mod but the listmods as well.

my god he is such a fantastic player we shld save him right now.

plz explain to me the town motivation for lying about the gm. I am going to ask this question until you give a plausible reason for it fyi.

have you explained the town motivation for him lying about the gm and listmods yet? before I get to the end of this post I hope that you will have done so even if it is a plausible deniability disclosure.

jesus christ. I love how acting as if that is the main part of argument at this point and ignoring that metal lied about the mods.

if he is town and lying about the mods then THAT IS GIVING SCUM ROOM TO HIDE COS IT IS SCUMMY AS FUCK THING TO DO AND I AM GOOD WITH LYNCHING THE SHIT OUT OF SOME1 WHO DOES THAT.

how are you able to nuance his reads w/o acknowledging the lying about the mods? like no really gms sometimes get in trouble for losing control of a game word of mouth is a thing about a mod and I am wondering how the fuck you are endorsing this behaviour.

still waiting for the townie mindset to be explained about lying about mod interaction.

I bet it won't come forth.

if metal is town then I am still good with his lynch for that reason and that reason alone. cos I will not stand for 1 second some1 casting shade on a mod whom I personally support and will do everything in my power to disabuse that shit. cos that is what it is, it is shit.

[...]

I am drawing a line here right now and saying I don't think that shit is okay. I see metal doing it to be scum-motivated and it largely comes from that I don't think metal wld be that much of a douche if town. and if he is town then he is giving scum room to hide and dragging the gm and other players down in the process.

which wld be shitty. and I am A-okay lynching shitty players on d1.

Your read on him is driving me crazy, because it's like you want to lynch him for this shit alone and are retroactively giving reasons why he's scummy. This isn't a scumread, this is a 'oh Sonic did a shitty thing let's lynch him for it btw he's also kind of scummy' policy lynch disguised as a scumread.

Straight up, I'd have less of a problem with you openly endorsing a policy lynch instead of doing exactly that

but also giving shitty reasons for why he's scum outside of that

. Because that's the part that feels fake.

I understand you think that not lynching him is /~*rewarding*~\ him for his behavior or whatever the fuck, but it obviously wasn't bad enough to warrant a modkill, and I don't think he's scum, so I'm not interested in killing him.

Please link to one or two of the four games where Sonic has done this replace-out shit before. Or at least talk about how it was resolved post-game, and how he got away with it multiple times afterwards.

[Bellaphant]

Elu, talk me through the boo-read? The MS thing is starting to feel icky on all sides.

[pirate mollie]

I never said that metal has done this before I said that I had seen this before from scum!etl and scum!mastina and I am pretty sure metal viewed the molliegeddon game since our hydra featured a starring flavour role. etl did it in the first sabotage game (micros) and mastina did it in my game. I am not going to bother to post links cos I really don't think you are interested.

I just texted kuribo, "I get why you want to retire"

why? cos you are not reading my posts grib before spouting off bullshit if you were you wld have seen what I wrote and not make up some bullshit.

I am gonna compile a readslist and then probs peace out unless something drastically changes in the next few

[Grib]

I have seen the tactic that metal is using from scum 4 times

Okay, I misread that. My bad.

I'm sorry you feel I'm spouting or making up bullshit, because that's the exact opposite of what I'm trying to accomplish here.

[Grib]

Whatever. I want this resolved one way or another. It's starting to poison the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Metal Sonic

If this has been TvT the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME I am going to be beyond pissed.

[elusive]

Mollie,
Linking to games that you are asked of to prove things is a good thing. I'm having the same problem as Grib that it doesn't seem like you are actually scum reading Metal Sonic but instead are bringing massive out of game reasons to want him dead. He's flailing all over the place and may likely die but honestly, both of you are acting very similarly with the AtE and just general sniping over out of game things.

Bellaphant,
in the Delicious mafia game Bookitty lurked a lot and had the similar posting style "catch up later, am busy" or "so and so are suspicious" without and follow up or strong logic. As compared to DOA where she was a town leader and helped lynch scum after scum. So her entry and her play since then fits better with her scum meta which is lurker\avoidance\lack of follow through.

[Grib]

Mollie,
Linking to games that you are asked of to prove things is a good thing. I'm having the same problem as Grib that it doesn't seem like you are actually scum reading Metal Sonic but instead are bringing massive out of game reasons to want him dead. He's flailing all over the place and may likely die but honestly, both of you are acting very similarly with the AtE and just general sniping over out of game things.

[Bellaphant]

@elu, yeah I was following one of her games in Rome and I agree about her town meta...

[pieguyn]

Is terrible. As is the continued asking for froggingmollie to back their shit up, when it's kinda obvious what's going on. Cancel my town-read on that slot for now.

what is terrible about it?

honestly, MS is probably the only player I'd allow something like that from - as has been alluded to several times over the course of the game, he has somewhat of an ... anti-town ... playstyle. it's a meta read based specifically on MS. put bluntly, I think MS just fucked up and mollie is scum latching onto it because of how awful it looks. she knows there really is no logical explanation for what MS-town did, so she keeps pressuring him and pulls this up whenever she wants to push him as scum in order to discredit any kind of argument for him being town.

this kind of behavior is extremely typical of scum - and in fact, I have actually had scum do this exact same thing to me in a previous game when I had similarly fucked up on how I used a PR. they kept pushing me over that while ignoring my actual response to their arguments, which they did because they knew I had no good-looking explanation for it, and so it functioned as an easy excuse to discredit me.

you will notice her latest wall post to me pulls it up in response to literally every point I made. she's not actually backing up her viewpoint here; she's just using it over and over again as a reason to discredit potential arguments for him being town

in short, I think mollie is BS'ing here. and the best way to pressure this is to actually force her to explain further why she's pushing MS as scum. but she instead goes "nup, lol MS lied" and "nup, I've explained it already" every time she's asked.

This focus on his votes is really survivalist and weird. He's not even using it to make comments on the people voting him, it's all about the votes. Also, the post almost acknowledges the lack of content...ugh. Is this pinging for anyone else?

yes

@White night, Do you see scum mollie if MS is scum? Or more likely if MS town?

they're likely not both scum

full disclosure, I likely wouldn't give that much of a shit about defending MS here if the way mollie wasn't pushing him wasn't this fucking awful

[White Night Imagination]

Is terrible. As is the continued asking for froggingmollie to back their shit up, when it's kinda obvious what's going on. Cancel my town-read on that slot for now.

what is terrible about it?

honestly, MS is probably the only player I'd allow something like that from - as has been alluded to several times over the course of the game, he has somewhat of an ... anti-town ... playstyle. it's a meta read based specifically on MS. put bluntly, I think MS just fucked up and mollie is scum latching onto it because of how awful it looks. she knows there really is no logical explanation for what MS-town did, so she keeps pressuring him and pulls this up whenever she wants to push him as scum in order to discredit any kind of argument for him being town.

this kind of behavior is extremely typical of scum - and in fact, I have actually had scum do this exact same thing to me in a previous game when I had similarly fucked up on how I used a PR. they kept pushing me over that while ignoring my actual response to their arguments, which they did because they knew I had no good-looking explanation for it, and so it functioned as an easy excuse to discredit me.

you will notice her latest wall post to me pulls it up in response to literally every point I made. she's not actually backing up her viewpoint here; she's just using it over and over again as a reason to discredit potential arguments for him being town

in short, I think mollie is BS'ing here. and the best way to pressure this is to actually force her to explain further why she's pushing MS as scum. but she instead goes "nup, lol MS lied" and "nup, I've explained it already" every time she's asked.

This focus on his votes is really survivalist and weird. He's not even using it to make comments on the people voting him, it's all about the votes. Also, the post almost acknowledges the lack of content...ugh. Is this pinging for anyone else?

yes

@White night, Do you see scum mollie if MS is scum? Or more likely if MS town?

they're likely not both scum

full disclosure, I likely wouldn't give that much of a shit about defending MS here if the way mollie wasn't pushing him wasn't this fucking awful

bah.

[White Night Imagination]

i'm pretty ok with rolling over and lynching MS on one condition: when he flips town, we flashlynch the fuck out of mollie tomorrow with no second thoughts

*if* he flips scum, i'm open to suggestions on what i should have to do. although keep in mind i'm not the only one in this slot so don't suggest anything too unreasonable!

[White Night Imagination]

also, for people scum reading Boo, Boo is likely not scum with MS

her read on MS looked opportunistic - as if she was scum reading him bc she thought she could get away with lynching him later. especially the bit about MS/elusive being partners, which felt more like bullshit she was pushing in order to go with the flow despite there being no logical reason for it

[pirate mollie]

ika - I think this is town!ika he feels good and seems actually interested in winning. if town wins it will be cos of him.
elusive - I think she is town here. in doa after her lynch which didn't happen she chilled for a bit and showed promise as a player. I think it will be a long hard road before she gets there tho.
grib - also a townread. I didn't get a sense of him in the 1 game we played together but I feel like he is genuinely trying to figure things out.
singer - huge disappointment here. unsure.
bookitty - ditto
andyslot - the replace out was weird. unsure
plum - I think she is town. I feel like I know what she is doing and god I wish every game cld have her in it. I like her. if she is scum then gg.
zzthing - unsure lean town even tho he is failing miserably in playing to his best.
wni - how pie is ignoring what metal is doing is beyond me which is why I think he is scum. I am not seeing brian in the hydra at all.
yukari - unsure. his 180 on metal is throwing me for a curve.
hydra thing - comes across as newbish so for me is hard to read.
metal - scum or playing like scum to pad his scumgame.

I think lying about mod interactions is terrible and pple shld be autolynched for it. it totally goes beyond the pale and breaks the spirit of the game which used to be a rule.

I don't want to be in a game where this is an accepted style of play plain and simple. and he was defo lying but unfortunately it is not against the rules. THAT is what poisons a game, not the reaction when you spot the lie IMO.

[Bellaphant]

WNI - I think a lot of the you v mollie is frustration at not being understood. The defense of the replace out seemed really odd and forced to me, but it's happened in a few games recently where someone has defended something I see as scummy and given as 'just because' reason for it.

If some of your defense is prompted by mollie (and I kinda like the honesty), would you have a reason to scum-read MS?

Also, do you think ms v mollie (via you) is anti-town? 'Coz, like Grib, I can kinda see the advantage of lynching ms just to shut that down...

p-edit, you kinda addressed some of these. Also, 'coz I've forgotten, which one of you uses punctuation properly?

[White Night Imagination]

POST

also, believe it or not, I agree with just about everything here. this is actually a fairly good explanation of why a lot of mollie is posting about MS is just bullshit smoke and mirrors.

[White Night Imagination]

WNI - I think a lot of the you v mollie is frustration at not being understood. The defense of the replace out seemed really odd and forced to me, but it's happened in a few games recently where someone has defended something I see as scummy and given as 'just because' reason for it.

If some of your defense is prompted by mollie (and I kinda like the honesty), would you have a reason to scum-read MS?

I disagree that it's frustration at not being understood. like, look at the interaction with Grib earlier, which basically went like this (updated):

mollie: "MS is obvscum!"
Grib: "walk me through *why* he's obvscum"
mollie: "I'm not going to bc he's obvscum!"
Grib: "... yes, walk me through *why* he's obvscum"
mollie: "I'm not going to bc he's obvscum!"

it's not frustration about being misunderstood bc there is literally nothing there to understand in the first place. as I said, the only logical explanation she gave so far was the thing with MS replacing out (which I don't find compelling even *if* it's not just something she's latching onto in order to have an easy angle to push); there is still none with all of her other points.

Also, do you think ms v mollie (via you) is anti-town? 'Coz, like Grib, I can kinda see the advantage of lynching ms just to shut that down...

p-edit, you kinda addressed some of these. Also, 'coz I've forgotten, which one of you uses punctuation properly?

yep. that is kind of why I'm willing to lynch him if people agree to actually deconstruct mollie's push on him tomorrow and realize there's nothing to it

also, proper punctuation = Brian Skies, nocaps = pieguyn. every post in this entire game has actually been pieguyn. Brian isn't here

[White Night Imagination]

If some of your defense is prompted by mollie (and I kinda like the honesty), would you have a reason to scum-read MS?

o, and I'm not sure what you mean by this

[pirate mollie]

sabotage game where etl said she was replacing out

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32581

the shitty thing about that game is that I knew that etl was lyig about ap talking her out of replacing out s I had just spoken to ap and he was out for the night on a hot date. desp wanted her blood really bad but I thought that it was such a shitty thing to do and thought that etl was above that type of petty play but no she wasn't. she was scum and they used the second kill to nk bro (scum w/etl) and won a scummy for it. we were nked that night.

molliegeddon game in which mastina did it

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60602

it was my first modded game in which I was allowed to bypass the usual criteria cos I have a bunch of mafia experience outside of ms. mith gave the okay on me so there was a ton of pressure involved but the whole experience soured my taste for modding on ms. anti's write-ups were truly beautiful tho and mebbe moliegeddon2 will happen who knows but at this time with how I feel it is unlikely.

those 2 are the 1s I can grab off the top of my head cos of personal involvement. there are a couple of more but I am not gonna site dive for them cos I can't remember the exact games.

[ika]

we are not lynching mollie while im fucking alive you knwo that right pie?

[ika]

im also on break but this shitfest is the last of what i wanted to come home to.

elusive/grib fucking talk to me then about damn mollie, cus right now i trust her the god damn most

[Yukari]

We can trust mollie for now, but seras still got an eye on her.

[Grib]

Well, ika, I trust you and elusive the most. So if you're completely sold on mollie, then I will follow you.

elusive, what say you?