Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[ika]

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will respond when get home

[ZZZX]

@ zzthing - you are not voting metal that is what is wrong with you. heis pulling the same shit he did in the nightless game and I am not sure how you are missing that.

The thing is, metal's push in nightless was what he did a lylo, check his early game there and here, thats the thing.

[ZZZX]

zzthing my walls are glorious. aren't they? AREN'T THEY???

y..yes they are...


*quivers in fear*

[Hydrangea]

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will respond when get home

kk, I am finishing off an assignment so I will probably be up for quite a few more hours. Will try and remain on till you are back.

[ZZZX]

If I read this correct then you do tell that they used shit reasons to push metal,

Why did you scum read me when i said they were using shit reasons however? This is something I wana know.

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right so plz clarify if I'm not. Yukari's reasons for pushing MS were bad, but I didn't think it was scummy - I got the impression they legitimately believed most of what they were saying, or just wouldn't think to fake some of it as scum (the bit about the setup in particular comes to mind bc if they were scum they'd know it was just a huge load of bullshit and would likely not make them look good or convince anyone, on the other hand it makes more sense if they were just extremely misguided town).

with mollie's reasons, on the other hand, it's shit bc all of her "reasoning" for MS being scum is pointless noise that has nothing to do with *why* MS's play here is scummy. it's all stuff like "lol, MS is throwing his town meta if he's town here" and "lol, why is it so hard to lynch obvscum on this site". and when she *does* provide reasoning, it's all noise that either isn't scummy or doesn't relate to what MS is doing in the game. as I've been saying the whole time, the only reasoning she's given has been the part about MS replacing out - which is so fakeable it's not funny

I think the way you were pushing Yukari is scummy bc you just called their post "full of" misreps and then only cited one, which wasn't really a misrep. and when they pointed this out and asked you what other misreps you saw, you didn't answer it. it felt like you were just using "misrep" as a throwaway excuse here.

I dont believe my posts are throw aways, they are short and direct to the point, saying points that other express later after me in worthless walls while i give you the cold hard truth. I hate writing walls unless there is a gain from them. Walls are bullshit 70% of the time..

most of your "short and direct to the point" posts fail to take into account the motivation behind what people are doing and are instead generally weak reasons for people being scum

the post re: me I found scummy for this reason- scum-me has nothing to gain by saying something along the lines of "if MS flips town flashlynch mollie tomorrow". I'm pretty fucking sure I'd be able to ride the town cred I'd get on MS' townflip to lead a lynch on her the next day as scum here without needing to make a statement like that (and I literally would not care whatsoever about ika defending her here bc he has no reasoning behind it and given the toxicity of this game state no one would listen to him anyway). and I made that statement because I'm pretty fucking sure if mollie is scum here she'd be able to escape the lynch again tomorrow, given she's doing a pretty good job of BS'ing her way out of it so far, and I don't want to allow that to happen

this isn't to say I'm town for it or that you should have read it as town, just that kind of statement is null; but you didn't stop to think through this. it felt more like you just thought "lining up lynches = scummy" would be a good angle to push to look like you were doing something and pushed it without caring that's not actually what I'm doing here

you are right about the fact that many of the posts i make are not deep, but thats because I am not good starting cases from scartch, as long as I got a solid group to start with and someone to argue with about them I can improve my reads, thats basically how I do it.

I still dont like yukari, it just felt like that. misrep was the reason i can physically express. it also contains a huge ammount of gut. anyway..

[ZZZX]

@pieguy I feel that ZZZX is town though. A lazy angle like "lining mislynches = scum" is something that I could see town-him doing, especially when he does not appear to be invested in the game.

I am not that uninvested here, not perfectly invested but im trying my best to stay in the game!

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, fuckign vote MS already im not going to be happy if you dont listen for once. if you have to recall on nightless i was almost yelling at you to listen to mollie on listen to her about MS

Lets just say I dont like how much tunneling you have been doing, Even if metal has to die its not now,. thats all i can say.

also WNI is town after the last post sent to me,... I think?

VOTE: bookitty

[Yukari]

I think the way you were pushing Yukari is scummy bc you just called their post "full of" misreps and then only cited one, which wasn't really a misrep. and when they pointed this out and asked you what other misreps you saw, you didn't answer it. it felt like you were just using "misrep" as a throwaway excuse here.

This ^

I still dont like yukari, it just felt like that. misrep was the reason i can physically express. it also contains a huge ammount of gut. anyway..

Now that you are back we can put our vote back where it belongs.

Vote: ZZZX

Please point out the lot of misrep you claim to have seen.

The reason why I had to PM listmods was to clarify rules. Whatever I was going to do afterwards was going to conftown my slot, and could be construed as a trust tell. That was why I retracted the replacement request upon realisation.

I didn't PM them about the game, I just asked a hypothetical question. I could've asked singer too, technically, but since she's actually /in/ the game... Better safe than sorry. Ergo, mollie's assertion that "They'd have to contact Ank first" did not apply.

So, I chose to retract my replacement request, and I am making a choice not to replace out right now. I won't AtE anymore, I promise. I'm just going to shut out mollie because she is the cause of all of this. I hope that these were not mistakes.

What exactly was the question you asked?

[Metal Sonic]

I probably cannot answer that question, sorry.

[Yukari]

Want to see more from bookitty, else maybe prod/replace. Would also like to see more from hydrangea and plum please.

[Yukari]

I probably cannot answer that question, sorry.

Why not? Was it about replacing, rules clarification, both? Something else? Something just feels off about this, as if your story is a bit shifty for some reason.

[Metal Sonic]

I probably cannot answer that question, sorry.

Why not? Was it about replacing, rules clarification, both? Something else? Something just feels off about this, as if your story is a bit shifty for some reason.

It was rules clarification about replacing. I am being shifty here, correct, not to reveal too much information that might get me kicked out of here.

I don't think I can talk directly about moderator communications if it affects a game, even though I phrased it in such a way that it sounds like it isn't.

Singer, please clarify if I am correct, when you are back.

[Frogging Mollie]

Regardless of my own leans of MS, I am just not understanding all this drama around the replace out, fake or otherwise. What is the scum motivation behind that? Because I personally cannot see how a move to replace out, be it genuine or theatrics can help ascertain an alignment indication. What is MS's scum motivation behind this? I'm not seeing it.

- Am I just missing the obvious? Cause all this reading based on meta I have no knowledge of has got me pretty jumbled at this point.

the replace out in and of itself is not indicative of scum, it is how a player goes about it and how they deal with it once they retract it.

here is his replace out request:

OK,

I am replacing out. Hope this is better for everyone.

Enjoy the game, folks.

here is him retracting it:

Turns out I can't do that

I'm here to stay ._________________.

and here is what is bugging me:

I asked 5 listmods

cos there were not 5 list mods around at the time and I know this. and they sure as hell wld not tell metal that he cld replace out which is what he implied until post 597 where he presents something entirely different. 662 looks like it comes more from the town mindset that I wld expect from metal yet that isn't how he initially approached it. I feel like town!metal wld have made that post right off the bat but he didn't. anyways I am waiting on singer's input about the whole situ.

the scum motivation behind pulling such shenanigans is that it keeps town off of them cos town are like "scum wld never do that" and my point is that they do. they will lie about anything in order to further their wc it is simply what scum do or use IRL circumstances to try to steer town off of them in order to support their survival. I have literally seen it all, I have played that many games as others have on here. I agree with elusive in that the lying about the mod is despicable but I gave her 2 examples to look at where scum did it and was rewarded for it and that they went on to win the game.

I don't think metal is lynchbait, when I townread him I fight against his mislynch but I have not had 1 here so I am having to stack up as to whether or not what he did comes from more of a town or scum mindset. the posts I quoted look scummy to me but the follow up CLD come from town it is just ugh. metal is fully capable of aTeing as scum in a way that he will get townread it is what he did in nightless.

the 1 thing in his favour is yukari's 180 on him which is downright weird. cos yukari never really explained it. and I

did

like the putting you in his town pile cos was my initial reaction to your posts you are throwing off newb tells like mad and it seems to me that if your were scum your team wld be offering more guidance.

anyway I am shelving it for the mo.

[ika]

Zx i swaer if you dont help me lynch him.

i do not want boo lynched toDay, I want ms toDay

[ika]

yukari help us lynch MS first plz, we can talk abotu Zx another time

[ika]

Maybe it's just cause its getting late here, but what do you mean sorry? Meta on what?

Do you mean meta to disprove MS is scum? Because no I have no meta.

If we are talking meta then I should probably outline my stance on meta as tenuous. Meta can so easily be manipulated if a person is aware of how they play.

Yes thats what im talking about.

How about this: do you have him as town? if so what is the town case for him? if you do not there is no reason to not be voting him. Even if he is arguably a "lesser" scum read, scum is still scum. And im telling you right fucking now thta he is scum and that there is no way he would do this shit as town.

If you want to talk abotu meta, while yes people can maipulate it, they still follow a set trait.

[ika]

if MS isnt lyncht when deadline reaches about 5 days or so im going all out ika, pie consider this your warning.

mollie, dont even try to stop me if i do its for your own good as well

[ZZZX]

Now that you are back we can put our vote back where it belongs.
Vote: ZZZX
Please point out the lot of misrep you claim to have seen.

i can do that later. I still stand by the point that a single misrep was enough reason to me to write it down since i had that gut feelings since long.

[ika]

Zx move your damned vote to MS

[Yukari]

Now that you are back we can put our vote back where it belongs.
Vote: ZZZX
Please point out the lot of misrep you claim to have seen.

i can do that later. I still stand by the point that a single misrep was enough reason to me to write it down since i had that gut feelings since long.

Which single misrep? If you claim misrep but can't point it out, then who is really doing the misrep here?

[Yukari]

Plus, your exact words were: "My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here"

[ika]

Plus, your exact words were: "My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here"

Yukari can you just vote MS, we are not doing ZX today. We can sort him out another time

[Yukari]

Plus, your exact words were: "My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here"

Yukari can you just vote MS, we are not doing ZX today. We can sort him out another time

We are pretty confident in our ability to sort out MS after d1. Zzzx seems like the better lynch today. Bookitty and cpl other ppl need to post more.

@Mod Could you please prod bookitty?

[ika]

Plus, your exact words were: "My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here"

Yukari can you just vote MS, we are not doing ZX today. We can sort him out another time

We are pretty confident in our ability to sort out MS after d1. Zzzx seems like the better lynch today. Bookitty and cpl other ppl need to post more.

@Mod Could you please prod bookitty?

no, not after day 1, now.

[ika]

btw fuck this i get top