Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Yukari]

Could Ika pls confirm this as well?

/Unvote
Vote: Frogging Mollie

[Frogging Mollie]

UNVOTE:

oh I have words. I have many many words.

[Yukari]

UNVOTE:

oh I have words. I have many many words.

Words with friends?

[Yukari]

Any of molly's scumbuddys wanna come try to defend her again?

[Metal Sonic]

^

[Metal Sonic]

UNVOTE:

oh I have words. I have many many words.

ya you have proven as much!

[Yukari]

^

[Hydrangea]

also Ika if MS flips town are you willing or inclined to consider Mollie as possible scum? cause I think that is a very viable option. I ask because you seem to be hard reading Mollie as town.

This is a very leading question. How will you feel if he flips scum? Why do you care if someone else reads Mollie one way? If FM is scum their alignment won't change, "you'd" just need to prove why. It looks like you're trying to get someone to agree to something that's not been proven, yet.
(I put "you'd" in quote for purposes of illustrating that it's true of anyone who's trying to get a lynch through, not like I'm implying hydrangea holds the burden of proving life >_>)

If he flips scum I will definitely reconsider how I view yukari.

I don't mean for it to be leading. I am outlining my stance and asking a question at the same time. I am not trying to lead ika to answer in a particular way.

I care how someone reads mollie because I am still having difficulty with that slot and as ika is a role I believe to be town i am interested in their read.

I am not trying to make someone agree with something and I think the way you are describing what I have said is simply tainting it rather than expressing fact.

[Frogging Mollie]

okay. I am going to froggy to see if I wanna even stay in this game. there are 2 giant dealbreakers going on that I am not comfortable with.

1. metal and the list mod communication.
2. this game has a hood and it was not advertised as such. I HATE hoods. and I am going to tell you why.

hoods are incredibly scum sided especially when they are of mixed alignment. nearly every large themed in 2014 contained a hood and oh lookee that was the year town lost most of the larges. there is a ton of wifom that surrounds the claim when it outed under pressure and pple don't understand that the best play for neighbour is to

out the info asap

so that does not read into false positives. it is considered a "speshul role" that has no significant value unless it is played correctly which 9 times out of 10 it simply isn't, this game being a prime example. it throws off a bunch of false associative tells which is hard to parse cos there is always some dummy who will hard defend their hood even if there is scum in it. god I thought we were done with the hood shit in touhou2.

here is a pretty great discussion on hoods:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ghborhoods

at the time this thread was started there was a strong grp of us who were fed up with them and dgb stepped up to give a public service announcement. I feel like they shld be advertised especially in mini themes but I am probs in the minority who thinks so. I feel like they shld be treated as a cult cos dear lord that is how the players themselves treat the role. I think hu2 is the only game that I was in where the hood was played out with any sort of competency.

when there is a hood in play there is a whole portion of the game that the rest of town does not have access to and it just sucks donkey balls. cos no really pple do not know how to effectively play the role. I feel like it shld be treated as a bastard role.

re: the still unresolved soap opera that is the metal/list mod drama:

god if you are going to replace out just do it. what metal did was to say that he wanted to replace out and that a list mod talked him out of it. when he initially brought it up he implied that he talked to 5 list mods. he later said he only talked to 1 after I pointed out that there was no way he cld have talked to that many in that short amount of time. it really shld not be a thing and metal made it a thing by bringing it up in the first place when if he wanted to replace out he shld have just done it.

so far, this game is reaching levels of fubar and I really thought it was gonna be a good game.

if any1 is confused about what trust tells are, lemme point to you a decent thread on it:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... rust+tells

there was another thread that I can't find where mith defined what an actual trust tell

is

; it is when you are guaranteeing your alignment in future games by saying you only do x as a certain alignment. I think there are things that pple only do as either alignment but they are pretty freaking hard to spot unless you really understand how the player

thinks

but this often falls on the deaf ears of pattern matching meta divers. which suits me just fine cos it helps my scum game. <----- self meta wifom here ohnoes! and yaye! I am pretty sure that no1 knows what I am doing half the time nor does any1 pay particular attention to my posts unless it suits them. which I am ironically kind of fine with.

this whole scenario reminds me of the quote, "don't let the facts get in the way of the truth" and I am still trying to find out what the truth actually is.

anyhoo enough of my bitching, moving on...

@ ika

why did you not make it apparent that you were in a hood with metal? cos I find it sort of skeevy that you wld push his lynch this hard when you had another medium to sort him out.

discuss.

after all of this and me talking things over with myself I still think metal is scum. but now I wanna sort ika in case I am wrong cos there have been a couple of things that don't quite make sense coming from you i.e. how you handle roles.

this is all for like a minute.

[Bookitty]

Please don't replace out, Mollie. I joined this game to play with you and with my unplanned absence this weekend I feel like I haven't gotten to at all.

I don't blame you if you do, but I wish you wouldn't.

[Metal Sonic]

many words, little content


par for the course


p-edit well i posted too late

i am trying not to be mean here but i blame her for everything 100%

[Frogging Mollie]

Please don't replace out, Mollie. I joined this game to play with you and with my unplanned absence this weekend I feel like I haven't gotten to at all.

I don't blame you if you do, but I wish you wouldn't.

I am not going to replace out unless froggy wants us to but the game is just getting

weird

. if he is okay with us flying batshit blind and bumping things in the dark and in the light then I am too. I regret saying, "be nice to him" cos I think it will make the game harder for him to work things out on his own.

[Hydrangea]

I think it would be a shame if you replaced out. You seem to have put a large effort into this game, would be a shame if you felt you had to leave that behind.

[Bookitty]

One thing I'm really not liking is the "If so-and-so flips town I'm coming after _____." It's like a threat without a purpose, because OBVIOUSLY when someone flips town we always look at the wagon on that person. I think you're town, for instance, Mollie, and if they manage to lynch you and you flip that way, I could make similar threats. Same with me: if I'm lynched, then the people pushing that are going to look worse too.

But the fact is that scum usually AREN'T the ones initiating wagons on town. They'll push it, sure, but they don't start it in my experience (rarely, I wouldn't say never). So acting like that's alignment indicative is somewhat suspicious to me all on its own.

(And yeah, I read that game, WNI, but it's pretty different imo than what's gone on here. MS has legitimately done things that people (not just Mollie) have found suspicious and that's a major difference right there.)

WNI has made me think they are town, though, by actually addressing some issues instead of just bandwagoning and yelling. I'm still really happy with my Yukari vote, even though no one else seems to agree with me.

I would like to hear from Ika about his views on neighborhood interactions with MS, please.

[Metal Sonic]

I think it would be a shame if you replaced out. You seem to have put a large effort into this game, would be a shame if you felt you had to leave that behind.

this is true, regardless of your alignment


therefore, i conclude that your replacement request is more fake than mine

[Metal Sonic]

the wagon can comprise of the following players (Grib, elusive, WNI, Yukari, ZZZX, Singer) + me and WE CAN GET A MOLLIE LYNCH TODAY

these are the candidates to join the award winning wagon.


i do not care much about what hydrangea or bookitty has said above^. so fluffy, so useless

[Frogging Mollie]

many words, little content


par for the course


p-edit well i posted too late

i am trying not to be mean here but i blame her for everything 100%

posts like this are why I still think you are scum.

plz explain as to why you think we are scum.

cos you just look like desperate scum flailing like you have been doing this all game.

I think lynching you is the correct play here for reasons that have been stated.

[Hydrangea]

One thing I'm really not liking is the "If so-and-so flips town I'm coming after _____." It's like a threat without a purpose, because OBVIOUSLY when someone flips town we always look at the wagon on that person. I think you're town, for instance, Mollie, and if they manage to lynch you and you flip that way, I could make similar threats. Same with me: if I'm lynched, then the people pushing that are going to look worse too.

But the fact is that scum usually AREN'T the ones initiating wagons on town. They'll push it, sure, but they don't start it in my experience (rarely, I wouldn't say never). So acting like that's alignment indicative is somewhat suspicious to me all on its own.

(And yeah, I read that game, WNI, but it's pretty different imo than what's gone on here. MS has legitimately done things that people (not just Mollie) have found suspicious and that's a major difference right there.)

WNI has made me think they are town, though, by actually addressing some issues instead of just bandwagoning and yelling. I'm still really happy with my Yukari vote, even though no one else seems to agree with me.

I would like to hear from Ika about his views on neighborhood interactions with MS, please.

I agree with you on yukari vote. If enough people vote yukari I will place my vote back there. When (and now that) i placed my vote on MS it is because after yukari they are my second lean and it really appears that yourself and ms are the only options. But I would pref yukari and would support a wagon if it gets going.

[Hydrangea]

the wagon can comprise of the following players (Grib, elusive, WNI, Yukari, ZZZX, Singer) + me and WE CAN GET A MOLLIE LYNCH TODAY

these are the candidates to join the award winning wagon.


i do not care much about what hydrangea or bookitty has said above^. so fluffy, so useless

fluff it may be, but i like to show support towards a player who has indicated they feel pushed to leave a game. One olive branch in their direction isn't going to hurt anyone.

[Metal Sonic]

many words, little content


par for the course


p-edit well i posted too late

i am trying not to be mean here but i blame her for everything 100%

posts like this are why I still think you are scum.

plz explain as to why you think we are scum.

cos you just look like desperate scum flailing like you have been doing this all game.

I think lynching you is the correct play here for reasons that have been stated.

i think you are scum because you are scumtunnelling me and being useless for what.. oh look! 35 pages.

just get lynched.

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.22

Metal Sonic (3)

- ika, Plum, Hydrangea

Frogging Mollie (3)

- Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, Yukari

Bookitty (2)

- elusive, ZZZX

Yukari (1)

- Bookitty
ZZZX -
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
White Night Imagination -



Not Voting (4): Bellaphant, Frogging Mollie, Grib, singersigner

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: singersigner

[ika]

if mollie leaves i leav as well just an fyi.

i do not deney the fact we have neighborhood in fact i was hinting it heavly but i think the scum is sonic in our hood and i want him fucking gone

heres a logic thing for us all:

if ms claims that flavor is tied, woulndt WNI be a scum sicne they are the main portagonist?

[Metal Sonic]

if mollie leaves i leav as well just an fyi.

i do not deney the fact we have neighborhood in fact i was hinting it heavly but i think the scum is sonic in our hood and i want him fucking gone

heres a logic thing for us all:

if ms claims that flavor is tied, woulndt WNI be a scum sicne they are the main portagonist?

i agree. but i did a bit more research, and they are actually good hearted in the end. so anky could spin it that way.

[ika]

@ ika

why did you not make it apparent that you were in a hood with metal? cos I find it sort of skeevy that you wld push his lynch this hard when you had another medium to sort him out.

mollie i was trying to shout it at the top of my god damn lung w/o publicly outing it.

me screaming i want ms gone was the main reason. i wanted tot alk to WNi in peace without spam-o-matic

like i said if you leave i leave. if ms isnt gone im refusing to even post in that neigborhood even if mollie flips scum (heres a hint i dont think so atm)

pedit: doent change it

[Metal Sonic]

and you're retarded, you just outed pieguy's flavor. fucking idiot. how bad can you be.