Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.23

Metal Sonic (4)

- ika, Plum, Hydrangea, Bookitty

[L-3]

Frogging Mollie (3)

- Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, Yukari

Bookitty (2)

- elusive, ZZZX
Yukari -
ZZZX -
Bellaphant -
dragonspawn -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
White Night Imagination -



Not Voting (4): Bellaphant, dragonspawn, Frogging Mollie, Grib

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Metal Sonic]

thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

go to the cave sister and then spot the difference between the shadows that you see and what actually takes form.

metal fucked his team over in a big way. like huge.

to the fearless reader:

if you haven't noticed yet, Mollie is pulling out all the AtE in response to pressure on her

[dragonspawn]

Btw forgot earlier

unvote

[Plum]

Whoever said this game was fubar was right on the money.

If anyone needs me to spell out the numerous ways a Moderator can dissociate flavor names from alignment, go ahead. Same thing with Neighborhoods. It's quite plausible that the setup had some number of nonspecified roles for each alignment, then the ones generated in the Open portion of the semi-open setup, and

then

flavornames were randomized to the roles themselves. Equally, the effective makeup of the Neighborhood could (and in the case I describe, would) be faction-random. I don't yet believe we have any good reason to treat the game in any way but this, after all. If MS is telling the truth, it fits extremely well with assumptions along these lines, inasmuch as he's Ori, the protagonist and player character and claims to be, aside from Neighborhood membership, Vanilla. Also, yes, we have plenty of reason to believe outing flavornames isn't such a huge problem that we should freak out about, okay, moving on.

Yes, VT claims are probably less likely from scum run up. I'm keeping stuff like that in mind. Memorably I myself (well, hydraing with my sister) rode a VT claim at L-1 as scum basically to endgame, so. Lot of complicating factors. MS, I do now appreciate that you weren't at L-1 and I was under the wrong impression. That you did claim fairly promptly when you believed you were at L-1 (and actually were) is noted. And sincerely appreciated. Also, along the lines of what people are asking - if you have to be Town because you're Ori, and WNI can be Town despite being the main antagonist because that character has a redemptive end or whatever, what characters would scum actually

be

?

WNI, I was hooked by the fact that you chose MS Town and thence Frogmollie scum as your cross to die on and that was just a bizarre assessment and line of play to me. To have gone to the point of 'I have such a strong Townread on MS that I'd lynch basically anyone else here to spare him' took the bizarreness to a whole new level. Trying to avoid lynching a Townread is one thing; expressing a prioritization of that over traditional goals in lynching is bizarre to say the least. That's an attitude one doesn't expect to see at all Day 1. Now, the whole Neighborhood thing is a complicating factor that has the potential to illuminate this. It does suggest a reason why your response to the MS wagon and at least some of those who pushed it might be so deviant - because there was hidden information informing it that until the claim no one outside the Neighborhood (and I guess the scumteam if there's scum in the Neighborhood) had access to. The degree to which you were willing to drag the argument with Frogmollie out, both of you repeating the same thing in increasingly shrill tones

without

you even considering lynching her was also bizarre, and kind of remains so to some degree. In any case you invested so much into something in such a way that we expect you have a really strong scumread on Frogmollie corresponding roughly to your really strong Townread on MS (to the degree that you'd be willing to lynch almost anyone else to preserve him), without pursuing such a scumread to its obvious conclusion warranted scrutiny. I'm considering what you're saying about Bookitty mild scumread and other factors (like Neighborhood) in trying to evaluate this.

Pieguy did not check in until after pregame.

Huh. He confirmed in the thread 9+ hours before the game officially started. It might mean nothing, but. Let's just say, noted.

Yukari, try to settle down and chill a bit.

Hydrangea warrants attention. Her reads don't make any sense in context of one another. Like at all.

maybe this is wishful thinking but i think this game will get less grinding once D2 comes around and we have tangible flips to work with. At the moment the problem is it's still all smoke and mirrors till we get something concrete.

You may be scum, you may not be scum, but you're absolutely right.

Also, WHEN we flip town, look for scum in Yukari and/or Metal.

And/or? I mean, right now I'm okay with Yukari, despite the fact that they need remedial mafia theory every other post. And I'll understand remaining suspicious of MS. But. First off. Being at all concerned right now about MS/Yukari scum

together

? Really? Well actually. You have plenty of company. Like Hydrangea and ika??? Uhhh . . .

Hydrangea, why did you initially Townread me? For that matter, your initial scumread of MS and Yukari??? And your read of Frogmollie? And what has changed for any of them since then in terms of how you're reading them and why? Besides something like 'I was scumreading both Yukari and MS but I don't know if they could both be scum and I can't get them both lynched today'.

also Ika if MS flips town are you willing or inclined to consider Mollie as possible scum? cause I think that is a very viable option. I ask because you seem to be hard reading Mollie as town.

Keep coming back to this. Ugh. On the one hand, Hydrangea enters the game with a pretty bland readlist. Then she proceeds to act on it as if it were a static document . . . except this. So Hydrangea, also answer please why your read of Frogmollie sounds like it hinges on the alignment on MS.

Bellaphant, what do you think of MS now post-claim?

ZZZX fine for now actually I guess.

For now not particularly interested in a Bookitty lynch.

I've been ignoring everyone accusing everyone else of aTe and people should stop throwing around the term because it's basically meaningless. Emotional appeal is a tool just like any other and can be used regardless of alignment.

UNVOTE:
Thinking.

[Metal Sonic]

My theory is that scum flavor are boring lame side characters or sidekicks

[Plum]

Or the Mod randomized roles to flavor names. Seriously. It's far from unheard of, and we already know the game has a randomized semi-Open component. Even if you are Ori and also are Town, doesn't mean that combo was inevitable, as it were, you know.

[Fro99er]

Sigh. I wish Mollie and I even crossed being on gchat today, but we didn't. I had a couple quick breaks to get my responses to her in here through the game thread.

I feel like I have A LOT to say, but I'm not even sure Mollie agrees with me on what I have to say, because I haven't gotten to talk to her. I also bring a very different perspective, and one that probably won't get listened to much anyway. But things are really starting to click here.

[Frogging Mollie]

Aaaand now from the hydra account.

Sigh. I wish Mollie and I even crossed being on gchat today, but we didn't. I had a couple quick breaks to get my responses to her in here through the game thread.

I feel like I have A LOT to say, but I'm not even sure Mollie agrees with me on what I have to say, because I haven't gotten to talk to her. I also bring a very different perspective, and one that probably won't get listened to much anyway. But things are really starting to click here.

[Frogging Mollie]

And for the record, I'm in all day meetings tomorrow and Friday as well. RL job and all.....but I'll post in the evenings and lunch breaks when I can.

[dragonspawn]

Andrius, tell us: who are the players in this game are you most familiar with? Who do you make it a higher priority to sort first? And how good/accurate are you at sorting those players?

Not a third of the way through here. Probably won't get further tonight. Read more tomorrow.

[White Night Imagination]

will post tomorrow; not in a clear state of mind to post right now

[Frogging Mollie]

Sigh. I wish Mollie and I even crossed being on gchat today, but we didn't. I had a couple quick breaks to get my responses to her in here through the game thread.

I feel like I have A LOT to say, but I'm not even sure Mollie agrees with me on what I have to say, because I haven't gotten to talk to her. I also bring a very different perspective, and one that probably won't get listened to much anyway. But things are really starting to click here.

froggy say whatever you want! it doesn't matter if I agree or not, I think it wld be great if you cld just get your thoughts out there. and I will probably agree with anything you say cos at this point the game is just fucked for me so plz do. any insight you have wld be incredibly valuable. I am trying hard not to go into crash and burn mode. but I feel pretty obligated to lay out my thoughts, I am just going to try to do it in a constructive way.

so here we go:

thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

go to the cave sister and then spot the difference between the shadows that you see and what actually takes form.

metal fucked his team over in a big way. like huge.

to the fearless reader:

if you haven't noticed yet, Mollie is pulling out all the AtE in response to pressure on her

^ posts like these just make me go cos metal started aTeing

the very second

when pressure was applied to him. does he acknowledge it? no, and it really bugs me that zzthing is not noticing how he did this exact same shit in the nightless game. <---- this is the only thing that is giving me pause to metal being scum at this point. cos zzthing shld be following up on this considering how it took an unreasonable amount of time and mislynches to finally get scum!metal lynched in that game.

all metal is doing is goading and baiting and yet somehow not only does no1 want to look at it pple are somehow townreading him for it.

I am not sure where i stand on metal at this point. too many pple are being sooper dooper weird about this.

@ pie

I think/treat you as a good player cos other pple tell me you are. and these are pple that i respect. I don't reach out to you cos in previous games you simply ignore it even tho it wld have helped you had you at the very least entertained the idea that I am not a complete idiot.

in touhou I had a giant fight with 1 of my hydra partners until we copped muffina who was guilty. when we got the guilty majiffy gave up (who is a brilliant player btw) cos he was hard defending muffina the whole time. borky was like FUCK THIS SHIT WE ARE RESOLVING THROUGH COP RESULTS and we did and somehow town ignored it even tho we crumbed the shit out of it. danny was a scumread based flipped town!serene cos often when dgb's and my reads intersect are usually pretty accurate. he was the sk!

in post game you were pretty hard on yourself and I told you not to be. we all make mistakes.

in touhou2 you had sakura/nacho as town and hard defended them to the bitter end. they flipped scum. and won. there was other fuckery going on as guy had this brilliant idea to put 2 scum in a hood by themselves. <------ this is 1 of the many reasons as to why I hate hoods.

in gm's card game we were a vig and fakeclaimed a hider role which scum believed. there was only 1 person in that game that I was sure was town and that was the person we fakeclaimed to have hid behind (strangecoug). I just wanted every1 else dead including nacho/thorella hydra cos thorella was being a pain. in lylo you voted him and town lost. again.

if you really think that it wld help you to remove us from the game then okay. while some pple are crabbing about our exchange I actually obtained great value from it as in, I think that there is a fundamental breakdown in how we communicate but I don't know how to fix it.

we will flip town, end of story. all I ask is that you just reevaluate your approach if you happen to be town.

@ elusive and grib

I am putting you both as a couple cos you come from the same site and it is pretty clear that you 2 are closing ranks. elusive plz read plato's the cave and just

think

about it.

grib, I don't know what to say, I am all out of steam.

in this game you are striking me as 1 who gravitates to what is familiar to you when you are confronted with an unfamiliar environment. fix it cos when I reassess things you keep landing in the null category which shldn't be the case .

@ boo

I love you. and I am truly sorry. if you are town I am truly sorry.

@ plum

why the unvote.

cos you didn't really explain it.

and I think that is all. except to say I am good with our mislynch but I apologize for leaving a muddy trail.

froggy will have comments and dear lord listen to them.

[Metal Sonic]

i love you when you're scum, mollie.

instead of posting useful and boring nobody-wants-to-read scumhunting stuff when you're town,

over here you tell us fascinating stories that are completely unrelated to the game but are fun to read. makes good mafia theory stories for frogger too.

in your iso i can spy a lot of fairy tales that would make good bedtime stories for baby frogs.

for example: "the valiant battle of scum metal sonic!"

"plato's cave"

"mollie's incredible adventures"

"why neighborhoods are a bad role"

" fun with trust tells"

and so much more!

______

like guys, if you didnt notice that 2/3 of the above post was actually the story of "pieguy's dog days"

makes a fun 5 min read, though!

[Metal Sonic]

thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

go to the cave sister and then spot the difference between the shadows that you see and what actually takes form.

metal fucked his team over in a big way. like huge.

can you explain how I "fucked my team over in a big way?"


i want to hear another cool story!

[Metal Sonic]

mollie is NOT a complete idiot

she could fite

muffina

1v1

AS SCUM

@elusive: sweet tasty mollie scum meta for you

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

scum qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eHRgPDt8sUSEb

it was pretty freaking painful.

I think I fucked up with night actions and I seem to always do this as scum on this site. I simply don't understand the rhythm here as scum.

I nearly cried when cephrir was nked.

it put me in a position where I was facing 10 town. <--- this isn't impossible I have done it before

but not with this timeframe. and not without help from the sk. (aegor )

I think scum were a bit underpowered, mebbe I am biased in that I think only a charismatic player can pull off a neighourhood. I am really not that charismatic. I am not adept at persuading people to go against their better judgment. like I am still trying to figure out how to convince town players to go against their bad judgment. <---- I am still pretty inept.

some day I will get it I hope.

I would have loved the sk role in this game omg.

thank you for the flavour borky <3

and thanks for modding the game! it had its fun pieces

if we lynch her today and she flips scum it will be an award winning wagon.

do a bit of swift pattern matching and count how many stories she had there and she has here. her MO is supreme tunneling, and talking bullshit and lying. also, she is capable of pulling the AtE too.




if she is scum, also, we will be able to perfect win. i promise. tons of clears will happen if we manage to get it.

[Metal Sonic]

i seen scum mollie twice only. she beat me in both games, i was hard townreading her. and FAILED.

in xenosaga, her team got exterminated and she was 1 scum vs 10 town... and she was the last to be lynched. she survived 5-6 mislynches.

in capcom, her team was overpowered as fuck and she won.


mollie is GOOD at SCUM and i wouldn't blame ika for townreading her. but i DO blame ika for being incorrigible and ignoring role-related info and even saying that if mollie flips scum he refuses to talk in the hood ???

the wagon can comprise of the following players (Grib, elusive,

WNI

,

Yukari

, ZZZX, DRAGONSPAWN) + me and WE CAN GET A MOLLIE LYNCH TODAY

these are the candidates to join the award winning wagon.

[Bookitty]

I love you. and I am truly sorry. if you are town I am truly sorry.

<3 I don't think this is your fault.

[Frogging Mollie]

but i DO blame ika for being incorrigible and ignoring role-related info and even saying that if mollie flips scum he refuses to talk in the hood ???

you mean the role flavour related info that has you as a protagonist and wni as an antagonist in a hood that you have somehow managed to ignore?

you can't cut this shit both ways. I think if town lynches 1 of you the rest will topple out.

you can't argue that you are town cos of you flavour role claim and then argue that your antagonist is somehow town.

I think what you have done in this game shld be ban worthy.

and I am going to campaign for it post game cos you are breaking the spirit of the game.

I

want

us to be lynched so I can gracefully step out. and with our town flip some peeps will do some hardcore reevaluation.

if any of you/wni/ika flips anything other than a neighbor then all of you shld probs die. it is why I am at peace.

I wld very much like froggy to post when time allows cos I think he has some things he wants to say. I don't even know what he wants to say but I wld like to hear it.

[Frogging Mollie]

having said that, if a hood exists then metal is the 1 who is scum in it. there shldn't be 2 in it otherwise the game is bastard beyond belief and I just don't ank wld do that to us.

[Metal Sonic]

Kuro is the main antagonist but at the end of the game Kuro sacrifices itself to save the forest. So its a spoiler and plot twist.

However, again I'm having difficulty with the flavor is not equal to alignment argument. The sample role PM that Anakamius put up flavor does equal alignment but the game rules state the opposite. In either case, how does that info mean anything? A mod cannot lie that flavor is not equal to alignment.

Read.

[Metal Sonic]

i am at peace because i finally accepted that you are scum and not "wrong town humping sonic".

[Fro99er]

I

want

us to be lynched so I can gracefully step out. and with our town flip some peeps will do some hardcore reevaluation.

This. At this point, I believe our lynch isn't even a bad thing for town, even though it's better to lynch scum. I'll post more tonight.

[Fro99er]

if we lynch her today and she flips scum it will be an award winning wagon.

You care too much about winning awards instead of playing with integrity. And you won't be winning an award for this game.

(Frog)

[Frogging Mollie]

God dammit. Sorry for posting from the wrong account.......AGAIN

Spoiler: frogs two posts above

I

want

us to be lynched so I can gracefully step out. and with our town flip some peeps will do some hardcore reevaluation.

This. At this point, I believe our lynch isn't even a bad thing for town, even though it's better to lynch scum. I'll post more tonight.

if we lynch her today and she flips scum it will be an award winning wagon.

You care too much about winning awards instead of playing with integrity. And you won't be winning an award for this game.

(Frog)

[Yukari]

Okies.. sorry bout before, back to our happy place. This just a game, so we really don't think it needed to throw around personal insults at each other. Anyways..

Doesn't rly matter which 1 gets lynched, cuz we the vig and we plan to shoot someone1 tonight. Sort em out permanently. Just hope we hit at least 1 scum cuz otherwise we could be 7 town to 3 scum 2moro.

I

want

us to be lynched so I can gracefully step out. and with our town flip some peeps will do some hardcore reevaluation.

if any of you/wni/ika flips anything other than a neighbor then all of you shld probs die. it is why I am at peace.

I wld very much like froggy to post when time allows cos I think he has some things he wants to say. I don't even know what he wants to say but I wld like to hear it.

^ Yes lynch mollie so we can move forward please, or waste a buncha time convoluting things just so we can vig her face 2nite. Either way she dies so can we please just pick path of least resistance and keep our vig target at least a slight mystery?