Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.24

Metal Sonic (3)

- ika, Hydrangea, Bookitty

Frogging Mollie (3)

- Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, Yukari

Bookitty (2)

- elusive, ZZZX
Yukari -
ZZZX -
Bellaphant -
dragonspawn -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
White Night Imagination -



Not Voting (5): Bellaphant, dragonspawn, Frogging Mollie, Grib, Plum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Frogging Mollie]

The setup seems a bit strange to us, trying to wrap mind around how to use it and proc of elimination to determine the actual setup. In particular there is this:

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

So could this be any extra role ever used on the site? Is there a possible extra role in each pool or extra hidden pools? Any clarification here or on the setup in general would be appreciated.

If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot

Don't like the way you said this. Vig isn't even in the list of roles given in the setup.

Anyways..

Doesn't rly matter which 1 gets lynched, cuz we the vig and we plan to shoot someone1 tonight. Sort em out permanently.

[dragonspawn]

Okies.. sorry bout before, back to our happy place. This just a game, so we really don't think it needed to throw around personal insults at each other. Anyways..

Doesn't rly matter which 1 gets lynched, cuz we the vig and we plan to shoot someone1 tonight. Sort em out permanently. Just hope we hit at least 1 scum cuz otherwise we could be 7 town to 3 scum 2moro.

I

want

us to be lynched so I can gracefully step out. and with our town flip some peeps will do some hardcore reevaluation.

if any of you/wni/ika flips anything other than a neighbor then all of you shld probs die. it is why I am at peace.

I wld very much like froggy to post when time allows cos I think he has some things he wants to say. I don't even know what he wants to say but I wld like to hear it.

^ Yes lynch mollie so we can move forward please, or waste a buncha time convoluting things just so we can vig her face 2nite. Either way she dies so can we please just pick path of least resistance and keep our vig target at least a slight mystery?

Was their a vig claim or something? Keep in mind I'm not half way through this yet. I just thought it odd that you're assuming there is one.

[Metal Sonic]

._____________________________________________.

[Frogging Mollie]

This gives me even more to say...really wish I wasn't in this meeting.........

(frog)

[Yukari]

The setup seems a bit strange to us, trying to wrap mind around how to use it and proc of elimination to determine the actual setup. In particular there is this:

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

So could this be any extra role ever used on the site? Is there a possible extra role in each pool or extra hidden pools? Any clarification here or on the setup in general would be appreciated.

If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot

Don't like the way you said this. Vig isn't even in the list of roles given in the setup.

Anyways..

Doesn't rly matter which 1 gets lynched, cuz we the vig and we plan to shoot someone1 tonight. Sort em out permanently.

Yea, it is confusing going into a game where role pm does not match the setup.. not a fan of unknown setups. The elusive comment seemed strange at the time, but we ended up just writing it off as a joke.

Okies.. sorry bout before, back to our happy place. This just a game, so we really don't think it needed to throw around personal insults at each other. Anyways..

Doesn't rly matter which 1 gets lynched,

cuz we the vig

and we plan to shoot someone1 tonight. Sort em out permanently. Just hope we hit at least 1 scum cuz otherwise we could be 7 town to 3 scum 2moro.

I

want

us to be lynched so I can gracefully step out. and with our town flip some peeps will do some hardcore reevaluation.

if any of you/wni/ika flips anything other than a neighbor then all of you shld probs die. it is why I am at peace.

I wld very much like froggy to post when time allows cos I think he has some things he wants to say. I don't even know what he wants to say but I wld like to hear it.

^ Yes lynch mollie so we can move forward please, or waste a buncha time convoluting things just so we can vig her face 2nite. Either way she dies so can we please just pick path of least resistance and keep our vig target at least a slight mystery?

Was their a vig claim or something? Keep in mind I'm not half way through this yet. I just thought it odd that you're assuming there is one.

See bolded in the post you quoted. ^ And yea we have been sofclaiming for a while when subtle hints failed to work.

[Metal Sonic]

Okay, Yukari, it was bad for you to claim. Because scum will NK you n1 (and then you can go back to playing simple matrix 6 setup...)

It was obvious that there was a vig in the game, because

Pool 2:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

There would be a confirmed vig in the game, because mafia needed a bulletproof. Vigs are the strongest role in mafia if you are a good scumhunter.

But yeah. problem solved.

lynch mollie today, if I'm wrong vig me tonight. then i will have a nice long chat with mollie in the dead thread.


thanks.

swift naked votes on mollie now.

[dragonspawn]

Why on earth would you claim? We're you at L1 or something earlier and I just haven't gotten to it?

[dragonspawn]

Okay, Yukari, it was bad for you to claim. Because scum will NK you n1 (and then you can go back to playing simple matrix 6 setup...)

It was obvious that there was a vig in the game, because

Pool 2:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

There would be a confirmed vig in the game, because mafia needed a bulletproof. Vigs are the strongest role in mafia if you are a good scumhunter.

But yeah. problem solved.

lynch mollie today, if I'm wrong vig me tonight. then i will have a nice long chat with mollie in the dead thread.


thanks.

swift naked votes on mollie now.

Now I'm more confused. How would you know about a mafia bp?

[Frogging Mollie]

Yukari, if truthfully claiming, is playing against his win condition just to get back to matrix6, and leaving town down a PR after the night phase. This game is even more fucked now.

(frog)

[Yukari]

Okay, Yukari, it was bad for you to claim. Because scum will NK you n1 (and then you can go back to playing simple matrix 6 setup...)

Yea rly hoping to get nked, cause duck this setup seriously. Regardless, we think there is plenty of wifom thrown out at this point that it doesn't matter. Hopefully we do not have to extrapolate further on this issue.

Why on earth would you claim? We're you at L1 or something earlier and I just haven't gotten to it?

Nope, never been L-1. See our first post in this game after confirming.

Yukari, if truthfully claiming, is playing against his win condition just to get back to matrix6, and leaving town down a PR after the night phase. This game is even more fucked now.

(frog)

Maybe maybe not.

[Frogging Mollie]

So you’re the mafia two shot rolecop as I suspected. Even told this to Mollie in our gchat.

[Bellaphant]

@ms, how do you know we are in those two set ups? Also, to those previously scum reading yukari, what are your thoughts now?

[Metal Sonic]

@ms, how do you know we are in those two set ups? Also, to those previously scum reading yukari, what are your thoughts now?

I think you should read the first page more closely.

We have a couple of fixed roles.

Then there are 4 roles that are ? and will be rolled according to the pools.

Since two of the pools contain a mafia bulletproof, it implies that there is a vig within the fixed roles. I've always had this thought, but I don't really care who they are, as long as they shoot correctly.


I believe Yukari's vig claim, because it was unprompted, and I strongly doubt that they have the experience or strong logical flow to deduce what I have came up with above. If they are scum, either their scumbuddy told them this pre-game, or they are smarter than they look. Otherwise, scum-yukari wouldn't have known there was a vig in the game.

[Metal Sonic]

Yukari, if truthfully claiming, is playing against his win condition just to get back to matrix6, and leaving town down a PR after the night phase. This game is even more fucked now.

(frog)

Sadly, I agree with this.

I like how there was bitching from your slot about "playing too much to my win condition" though!

[Yukari]

We gave up pretty early trying to glean any information from the setup.. just been pretending setup is completely hidden to avoid brain damage.

[Metal Sonic]

Yukari, I like you and I want to play with you outside of the game. Maybe after this game ends. We can have a game of chess or something.

[Yukari]

Yukari, I like you and I want to play with you outside of the game. Maybe after this game ends. We can have a game of chess or something.

Sure

[Plum]

Yukari is technically correct. Vig is not only an informative role, it's often the very best possible informative role. I don't know when I'll believe anything particular about Yukari's power claims, but I don't think it'll be anytime soon. If he's a Vig, fine. If not, I won't be surprised.

Frogmollie, not sure MS is still my top lynch choice or whether he'll remain a viable wagon. And I have time to consider. But I'll say this, I'd definitely lynch MS over you at this point.

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town

because of

, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

[Metal Sonic]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

[Yukari]

Yukari is technically correct. Vig is not only an informative role, it's often the very best possible informative role. I don't know when I'll believe anything particular about Yukari's power claims, but I don't think it'll be anytime soon. If he's a Vig, fine. If not, I won't be surprised.

Frogmollie, not sure MS is still my top lynch choice or whether he'll remain a viable wagon. And I have time to consider. But I'll say this, I'd definitely lynch MS over you at this point.

Thanks for at least not trying to openly unwind the wifom. Why does mollie seem like a bad lynch to you?

[Plum]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

You were like 'if flavor doesn't matter, why does the VT PM correspond to a good character'? But if none of the characters are real baddies, how could it be otherwise?

Also your so-called theory sucks and you should try to accept that.

[Metal Sonic]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

You were like 'if flavor doesn't matter, why does the VT PM correspond to a good character'? But if none of the characters are real baddies, how could it be otherwise?

Also your so-called theory sucks and you should try to accept that.

No, elusive said that. My point is that I am town, and pieguy as Kuro is town too.

The note in the rules "Flavor is game irrelevant" is just there as a default. In no game ever did the mod admit "Flavor is game relevant", so it's there.


Anyway, I think that the mod made role+flavor+alignment all together manually. Not randomised. He could have swapped up stuff for a twist here and there, for example made Kuro town, but there are inherent biases in human sorting... which means that Ori will be town no matter what. For fuck sake, he's in Anky's avatar. Anky obviously likes Ori, and would hate to see him scum.


EVEN IF you don't believe this argument,

can you see that mollie's last stand against me is a flavor argument? She has no more points to hit me with.

If you're town, lynch her.

[Frogging Mollie]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

in other words

town are probably gonna be trees

.

[Metal Sonic]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

You were like 'if flavor doesn't matter, why does the VT PM correspond to a good character'? But if none of the characters are real baddies, how could it be otherwise?

Also your so-called theory sucks and you should try to accept that.

By the way, all 3 players in the neighborhood had mod-confirmed flavor.

Kuro and Ori in the same neighborhood. Was obviously a blatant attempt to stir up WIFOM to make the game "more exciting".

The only argument that can be made for my Ori claim being scum is "he could be fakeclaiming ori! ori isn't actually in the game!"

But that's demolished by the fact that my Ori claim is mod-confirmed.

So.

I am conftown.

Seriously. Lynch. Mollie.