Ok, here goes. I don't care if this gets us lynched, because it's going to help town in the long run, even if we get lynched in the short run.
Mollie and Frog, we might be two heads. We might have our own ideas. But we are one fucking town body. We are
Vanilla Town
.
When this game first started, Mollie and I decided pretty quickly on to go good cop/bad cop on people (no, I don't mean cop as in a role, just as a playstyle). Mollie offered me the option of choosing good or bad. I told her I'd be better playing the good cop role, and she agreed I was in a position to play good cop, so we agreed she would play bad cop, and I good. THIS WAS MY DECISION FIRST, AND MOLLIE AGREED.
So Elusive, I must apologize for Mollie's behavior toward you, because it could have been I that was bad cop. This started at post
143. I started good cop at post
153. It continued for a bit, and we took our roles seriously. Mollie even remarked to me in gchat that I was being so strong about my good cop role that I was starting to put her in a bad position. I'm sorry Mollie <3 ... Grib even commented on this as such in
179 about how we seemed to not be reviewing things as one head. Or was this stylistic. It was. Good job Grib.
We also kind of took on this split persona with Metal, but not in quite as a divisive way. We decided early on, because of Metal's buddying up to Ika, asking pointless questions, in lieu of scumhunting, blowing up a smokescreen, etc. I tried to appease Metal from time to time, however, like when I answered Elusive's early questions, and then when I went and pulled up Yukari's ISO.
But pulling up Yukari's ISO really convinced me he is scum in this game. Yukari was way too straightforward in the prior games, both times as town. Here, in my opinion (and I'll expand on this more), they are scum and don't know how to play as scum. They claim they've evolved, and they are playing different from their past meta because of time away, etc. Bunk. I don't believe it one bit. They played so basic in prior games that this kind of evolution is not a natural town evolution for them. They drew scum, and don't know how to play it.
SO PLEASE LISTEN TO MY NEWBIE FUCKING MIND FOR A SECOND HERE.
Yukari is the two shot mafia rolecop.
First, let's look at the setup.
↑ Ankamius wrote:This game has a semi-open element to it. It works as follows:
a) One role from each pool will be randomly chosen. If there are multiples of a role, each pool will be rerolled.
b) Exactly three pools will roll a town role and exactly one will roll a mafia role.
c)
This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.
[N] -> Usable at Night.
[D] -> Usable at Day.
[A] -> Usable Action.
[P] -> Passive Action.
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1) 2-shot Tracker
2) 2-shot Voyeur
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop
1) 2-shot Doctor
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Voyeur
4) Mafia Bulletproof
1) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
2) 2-shot Doctor
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia Bulletproof
1) 2-shot Tracker
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop
Exactly ONE of these pools will have a scum role. So when Metal is saying this
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:It was obvious that there was a vig in the game, because
Pool 2:
4) Mafia Bulletproof
Pool 3:
4) Mafia Bulletproof
There would be a confirmed vig in the game, because mafia needed a bulletproof. Vigs are the strongest role in mafia if you are a good scumhunter.
he is fucking blatant lying. There doesn't have to be a confirmed vig in the game. Because scum could have been drawn from pool 1 or pool 4 (2 shot mafia rolecop). This is Metal poorly covering for Yukari's dumb claim.
LETS THINK ABOUT THIS FURTHER
There are three options for Yukari.
1. [] Yukari is town PR (vig as claimed)
2. [] Yukari is scum
3. [] Yukari is town non-PR
I will present some arguments and you decide which Yukari is.
In post
116 Yukari claims to not understand the setup. But more importantly, he also ASKS SCUM TO KILL HIM N1.
IF he really is a town PR, and is asking scum to kill him N1, THIS IS GOING AGAINST HIS WIN CONDITION. Then he claims town PR day 1 (after hinting an investigative roll many times). This is NOT PRODUCTIVE FOR TOWN AND NOT A TOWN MOVE.
I fucking hate appeal to Occam's Razor, but I'm doing it anyway because we can appeal to it 3 times and it makes sense every time. Let me ask you all what is most logical?
[] Yukari is town PR (vig as claimed)
[] Yukari is scum
[] Yukari is town non-PR
IN MY OPINION...Occam's Razor suggests Yukari is not intentionally playing against his win condition. If he were town Vig as claimed, he would be going against his win condition by asking to be NK'd and by claiming this role D1 without any pressure whatsoever. He is also not vanilla town, because duh.
Occam's Razor also suggests Yukari has played such a bland style of mafia over his prior town games, that this blatant change in style is too complex a move for him to be doing so on purpose. The simpler explanation is he's confused how to play scum.
Occam's Razor also does not suggest Yukari was asking about other roles, asking Elusive about why bring up vig, then claiming vig as a plan all along. Instead it suggests the simpler explanation that he really was confused, found out other roles like vig were possible, then claimed vig after learning people were picking up on his investigative hints. He claimed he'd sort Metal (and others) D2. Now he's claiming he won't need to sort them D2 but instead with a night kill? Doesn't make sense. He is flailing rolecop, not knowing how to play scum straight up, because he can't.
MOVING ON TO OTHER PLAYERS:
Ika - in my opinion Ika is town. Also, in my opinion the neighborhood is real. After Metal's claim, Metal talked about posting in the neighborhood thread, and ika as well. Ika then later responded in
943 about Metal spamming the thread. I believe Ika really was sick of it. This is not scum!Ika doing this, but town!Ika instead. This also leads me to believe his take on the situation on the neighborhood, that Metal is scum. There's also no way they are both town with their "you are bad as a player comments" to each other in 939 and 944.
Metal - scum. At first I wasn't sure, even though I trusted my partner's read on Metal. But after the whole flip, Ika points above, Yukari stuff, and the recent cover up for Yukari, I am convinced Metal is scum too. I actually don't want to give this idiot any more attention, but I'll expand more if I need to (meeting is also about to start up again). Metal. You aren't winning any idiotic awards as scum or as town in this game.
WNI - Not sure, because Ika thinks WNI might be PR in his take on the neighborhood in 936. But I believe WNI's hostility toward Mollie and myself that they are scum. Metal's instistence that the whole neighborhood is town too is also reason I have my WNI doubts.
@Plum - This is why I was focused on and/or Yukari, Metal.
Bookitty is town IMO, and I love playing with her.
Hydrangea, Bookitty, Ika - those three were all having doubts about both Metal and Yukari. Please continue those doubts.
Grib, ZZZZZZZXXXXX, have been hard for me to read. Singer's slot is still town.
I implore everyone to either vote Metal, Frogmollie (yes ourselves), or Yukari.
If Yukari really is town PR (he's not), he's getting NK'd anyway, so a lynch now doesn't matter. If we get lynched instead, you all can really put stock in our reads. Mollie isn't dumb, and I'm not an idiot either, even though I'm relatively new to this game.
Fuck meeting time starting again. I could have posted so much more in depth, and can later.
