Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Metal Sonic]

btw

Occam's razor says that frogmollie is scum for tunnelling me for 43 pages, being blatantly wrong despite 2 other players 9pieguy and zzzx) vouching that i'm strong town, having 0 reads outside of me/wni/andy for 42 pages, 0 scumhunting outside of the tunnel vision, and failing to back up her scumread on me with evidence even after multiple requests.

please lynch mollie today.

[Frogging Mollie]

It was obvious that there was a vig in the game, because

Pool 2:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

There would be a confirmed vig in the game,

because mafia needed a bulletproof

.

Because mafia needed a bulletproof? BECAUSE MAFIA NEEDED A BULLETPROOF?

But mafia doesn't need a bulletproof. They could have a rolecop instead (from pools 1 or 4). You cherry pick pools 2 and 3 for what reason? There doesn't have to be a mafia bulletproof. at all.

[Plum]

Then explain it.

Because right now there is just "mollie is town because she looks town"

"sonic is scum because mollie says so"


your adamant refusal to vote mollie is unfounded and not logical in the slightest.

what makes you townread them? have they been scumhunting, giving reads, contributing to the gamestate...?

I'm adamant in my refusal to not vote a whole lot of players, if it comes down to it. Ika, Grib, Elusive, ZZZX are all people I wouldn't consider voting for except to prevent a No Lynch as things currently stand. You're not trying to make an ultimatum about me explaining a Townread on any of them. You never answered what changed between your initial Townread of me and saying you thought I was so scummy you wanted to powerlynch me after Yukari. Which happened while I was still V/LA. That seems a lot more salient, but who cares?

You're scum for a lot of reasons. Sadly you're the sort right now who's basically scum regardless of alignment. If you are Town, you've poisoned the game several times in succession for no fucking reason and are maintaining an attitude that is counterproductive at best. If you're not Town, you're doing a great job sowing confusion, dissent, and generally contributing to the Mist.

Preview edit re Yukari: Maybe. Or maybe Yukari asked to be killed Night 1 because they thought that asking that, via reverse psychology, would make them less likely to get killed. I'm saying I'm not sure how to apply Occam's Razor regarding them because I don't think they're at all reasonable or sensible. That said, overall the notion that they're scum who don't know how to play it is pretty plausible.

Also I actually think what MS said is fair. The presence of Mafia Bulletproof in the pools suggests that in the fixed, non-Open component of the setup there is some role or factor that would make Mafia Bulletproof a role with actual utility, and the most likely scenario would involve a Vig or something similar. However, I'm trying to consider whether we can make assumptions about how much utility Mafia Bulletproof can be expected to bring to the table for the scumteam vs. Mafia 2-shot Rolecop based on the composition of the pools. The pools with Tracker both have Mafia 2-shot Rolecop in them, and the ones with 2-shot Doctor both have Mafia Bulletproof in them.

[Metal Sonic]

It was obvious that there was a vig in the game, because

Pool 2:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

There would be a confirmed vig in the game,

because mafia needed a bulletproof

.

Because mafia needed a bulletproof? BECAUSE MAFIA NEEDED A BULLETPROOF?

But mafia doesn't need a bulletproof. They could have a rolecop instead (from pools 1 or 4). You cherry pick pools 2 and 3 for what reason? There doesn't have to be a mafia bulletproof. at all.

read the first page again god damn it.

2 possibilities for the scum's randomised role: rolecop or bulletproof

my reading comprehension says that the roles that are not in the pools are fixed. aka independent of whatever randomisation goes on in the pools.

so.

whatever the pools roll do not affect the pre-set roles.

so.

if the pools rolled a mafia bulletproof, does he become a mafia goon?


i mean, its all and well if there was mafia rolecop. but whatever is rolled in the pools is independent of the preset roles?

am i wrong? this is a case of reading skills here. nothing up with alignment.

[Metal Sonic]

If you are Town, you've poisoned the game several times in succession for no fucking reason and are maintaining an attitude that is counterproductive at best.

this is all molliescum's fault... i tell you...

[Plum]

The things I'm thinking about aren't things you can blame on Frogmollie either way. And you're still refusing to answer that question.

[Frogging Mollie]

we are also the spirit tree in case any1 is interested.

[Metal Sonic]

The things I'm thinking about aren't things you can blame on Frogmollie either way. And you're still refusing to answer that question.

what question?

mollie has refused to answer grib's huge ass bold red font question

i missed a tiny question, is that illegal?

[Plum]

MS

Spoiler: Every time you've mentioned or interacted with me this game

Hello Plum!

Andrius seems very excited about you being in the game. I don't know you at all, but I hope you are as fun as he says.

I'm going to sort you, of course, but mostly I'll fall back to his read on you.

That's my plan!

MS, care to clarify your cryptic statement to WNI?

No.

on phone now as usual so can't respond to stuff


singer town
Andy town
Ika town
Pieguy town
Elusive town
Grib leaning town
Plum leaning town
Frogging leaning town
Hydrangea null
Bookitty leaning scum
Yukari scum

I am here but I don't think you want to talk to me

Ill talk to you as long as its not about fucking molie. cus ill state right now, you are do drop her untill i sort her myself

how about this, talk to me about andy, yukari, plume, booitty, hydra

if you cast mollie is bad light about trying to lynch you after she unvoted i will move my damn vote back

Andy is Mia. I want to see his comments about all this

Yukari is a scummyscumfuck. I looked at their meta already but I can only post full length on com. Just simply their town play is more like able and confused about who is town or scum. Here they seem like faking confusion about lame stuff like the setup. They also have been doing fuck all the whole game except tunnel on me. No reads in their ISO. In their town games they have townreads. No townreads over here. They are scum basically


Bookitty is my 2nd top scumread. Their 2nd post just hit my scumdar quite bad but I don't know how to explain it. And her recent posts are 0 content so not fantastic.


I like hydra for Sheeping me on yukari so my answer is probably biased so don't ask me. Ps: I think they are town

I agree with plum. I thought that they were partners with you. Was planning to powerlynched them after you flipped scum. Fine.

Unless andrius is scum with plum.

I still think you are scum though :/

Just because you unvoted me does not mean I must townread you!

Tinfoil theory is Andy/plum/bookitty

Just in case. This can be seen when I am dead with spoilers and groan about how I wish I followed this later

My last post in the thread before I went V/LA was #313. Prior to that, you had most recently listed me as 'leaning town'. From after I went V/LA, you first ignored me and only me among a list of five players ika asked you to talk to him about. Then you agreed with your former hard-scumread Yukari that I was scummy, going so far as to claim you were planning on power-lynching me 'after [Yukari] flipped scum'. So. What the fuck

changed

, eh?

You never answered what changed between your initial Townread of me and saying you thought I was so scummy you wanted to powerlynch me after Yukari. Which happened while I was still V/LA. That seems a lot more salient, but who cares?

[Metal Sonic]

jesus christ. that was in tiny print, i missed it, i'm so sorry!

what changed was that i was getting townreads on some other people, so you dropped on my list due to relativity. and because i could see you as possible partners with yukari, i made those comments.

[Plum]

Uh, dude, I'm not sure I'm buying it.

[Yukari]

Rofl, mollie is obvscum and that last post was really horrible.. so horrible we don't even know where to start, so we gonna eat first. Please lynch mollie over ms. Obvscum is obvscum kthanx

[Metal Sonic]

what do you want me to do about that?

[Metal Sonic]

Rofl, mollie is obvscum and that last post was really horrible.. so horrible we don't even know where to start, so we gonna eat first. Please lynch mollie over ms. Obvscum is obvscum kthanx

they think that you and me are scum

they also think that wni is scum

we are the only 3 pple on her wagon. seems like they are better honeypotters than us eh!

[Metal Sonic]

MS

Spoiler: Every time you've mentioned or interacted with me this game

Hello Plum!

Andrius seems very excited about you being in the game. I don't know you at all, but I hope you are as fun as he says.

I'm going to sort you, of course, but mostly I'll fall back to his read on you.

That's my plan!

MS, care to clarify your cryptic statement to WNI?

No.

on phone now as usual so can't respond to stuff


singer town
Andy town
Ika town
Pieguy town
Elusive town
Grib leaning town
Plum leaning town
Frogging leaning town
Hydrangea null
Bookitty leaning scum
Yukari scum

I am here but I don't think you want to talk to me

Ill talk to you as long as its not about fucking molie. cus ill state right now, you are do drop her untill i sort her myself

how about this, talk to me about andy, yukari, plume, booitty, hydra

if you cast mollie is bad light about trying to lynch you after she unvoted i will move my damn vote back

Andy is Mia. I want to see his comments about all this

Yukari is a scummyscumfuck. I looked at their meta already but I can only post full length on com. Just simply their town play is more like able and confused about who is town or scum. Here they seem like faking confusion about lame stuff like the setup. They also have been doing fuck all the whole game except tunnel on me. No reads in their ISO. In their town games they have townreads. No townreads over here. They are scum basically


Bookitty is my 2nd top scumread. Their 2nd post just hit my scumdar quite bad but I don't know how to explain it. And her recent posts are 0 content so not fantastic.


I like hydra for Sheeping me on yukari so my answer is probably biased so don't ask me. Ps: I think they are town

I agree with plum. I thought that they were partners with you. Was planning to powerlynched them after you flipped scum. Fine.

Unless andrius is scum with plum.

I still think you are scum though :/

Just because you unvoted me does not mean I must townread you!

Tinfoil theory is Andy/plum/bookitty

Just in case. This can be seen when I am dead with spoilers and groan about how I wish I followed this later

My last post in the thread before I went V/LA was #313. Prior to that, you had most recently listed me as 'leaning town'. From after I went V/LA, you first ignored me and only me among a list of five players ika asked you to talk to him about. Then you agreed with your former hard-scumread Yukari that I was scummy, going so far as to claim you were planning on power-lynching me 'after [Yukari] flipped scum'. So. What the fuck

changed

, eh?

You never answered what changed between your initial Townread of me and saying you thought I was so scummy you wanted to powerlynch me after Yukari. Which happened while I was still V/LA. That seems a lot more salient, but who cares?

hey plum

why do you find it so angst that I did not answer a tiny question that you hid at the back of a paragraph that was part of a huge wallpost? which was to explain my scumread on you

yet when mollie ignored grib's extremely large red bold text font question. to explain a scumread on me. you don't call her out?


even if you think that they are town, thats far beyond extreme hypocrisy.

[Frogging Mollie]

read the first page again god damn it.

I've read it 10 times

2 possibilities for the scum's randomised role: rolecop or bulletproof

Correct

my reading comprehension says that the roles that are not in the pools are fixed. aka independent of whatever randomisation goes on in the pools.

Where does it say this? I understand there's a fixed component, but I don't see any rule that says there HAS to be a bulletproof in the fixed component. If there is, point out that exact rule from one of the mod's posts and I will happily eat crow on that point.

so.

whatever the pools roll do not affect the pre-set roles.

Correct. But that doesn't mean bulletproof has to be a pre-set role.

so.

if the pools rolled a mafia bulletproof, does he become a mafia goon?

What?

i mean, its all and well if there was mafia rolecop. but whatever is rolled in the pools is independent of the preset roles?

Correct. But it does not mean a preset role is bulletproof.

am i wrong? this is a case of reading skills here. nothing up with alignment.

I might be a retard who can't read, I'll concede that. But I still can't see how it's guaranteed there is a bulletproof. Unless you know something I don't...........

[Frogging Mollie]

This game has a semi-open element to it. It works as follows:

a) One role from each pool will be randomly chosen. If there are multiples of a role, each pool will be rerolled.

So four roles will be randomly chosen.

b) Exactly three pools will roll a town role and exactly one will roll a mafia role.

This means there will be exactly one mafia role (from the pools). Either a bulletproof OR a rolecop.

c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

This does say the other fixed roles will be the roles from the pools.

Spoiler: the pools

Pool 1:

1) 2-shot Tracker
2) 2-shot Voyeur
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

Pool 2:

1) 2-shot Doctor
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Voyeur
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:

1) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
2) 2-shot Doctor
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 4:

1) 2-shot Tracker
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

I keep rereading the rules, and I don't see anywhere where it says there's guaranteed to be a bulletproof. It says one from each pool will be randomly chosen. So if the semi-open part randomly chooses a rolecop, why would there be a guaranteed bulletproof?

I could be the biggest idiot in the world because I'm new to theme games, so I apologize. But to me it seems there does not have to be a vig, as metal claimed there is.

There would be a confirmed vig in the game, because mafia needed a bulletproof.

Either way. Yukari is scum.

[Metal Sonic]

dude. i said there's guaranteed to be a vig. not a bulletproof!!

because a bulletproof is apossible role that the scum get, it must be beneficial

and a bulletproof is only beneficial if there is a vig in the game

ergo, a vig is necessitated.

[Metal Sonic]

guaranteed to be a bulletproof

confirmed vig

okay this is a very serious reading comprehension issue!

its so sesrious that i hope its not you misrepping me because that is just low

[Frogging Mollie]

Derp my bad. Because it's possible there is a bulletproof, there must be a vig.

Ok, got it.

[Frogging Mollie]

Now i feel dumb. Either way. Yukari is rolecop.

[Metal Sonic]

Derp my bad. Because it's possible there is a bulletproof, there must be a vig.

Ok, got it.

you see, we can get along just fine <3


when talking about non alignment indicative stuff and with no agenda.


sigh. look at what this game has done. mollie

[Metal Sonic]

Now i feel dumb. Either way. Yukari is rolecop.

i am thoroughly not convinced.

maybe if mollie wasnt humpbanging me since page 2 for no apparent reason with an extreme inability to justify her points, i would still be on yukari right now

[Frogging Mollie]

I'm convinced Yukari is scum. The other option is the neighborhood really is all town, and the other scum slot/s is/are hiding among ZZZXXXX, Hydrangea, Bella, Boo (but I think boo is town).

[Frogging Mollie]

Now i feel dumb. Either way. Yukari is rolecop.

i am thoroughly not convinced.

maybe if mollie wasnt humpbanging me since page 2 for no apparent reason with an extreme inability to justify her points, i would still be on yukari right now

DUDE. WE ARE VANILLA TOWN. I SWEAR TO GOD.