We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[BBmolla]

yeah probably idk, I wasn't that bothered about figuring it out cause I was bulletproof

[BBmolla]

which is why OC's kill failed on me

*shrug*

[Plotinus]

so far all of the counterpart roles we’ve seen have been same-aligned. death/boon, masons/neighbours, drixx/me though you’ll have to take my word on that, public tracker/facebooker. all the cops.

and then there’s the two commuters: oranje and brantz. i’m not postulating an sk faction i’m postulating to separate SKs one from each game.

[Plotinus]

wtf do i keep typing to instead of two.

[Plotinus]

how much of what vonflare said in twilight was trolling. did vyse janitor himself? was he really a janitor?

[Plotinus]

2:2:1:8 3:1:9 makes more sense than 2:2:9 3:2:8 because 3:2:8 seems scumsided. though i guess it depends on the PR distribution.

i don’t think BC makes sense for berlin mafia because they had narninian which was a cool role and that’s too many cool roles for one team. if molla’s telling the truth then i’m pretty surprised but it’s not literally the strangest setup i’ve seen.

the strangest was no mafia faction, 3 SKs who didn’t know each other, a player who knew their flavour names but not who they were who could choose which would attack each night. and a cult that required two shots to fully recruit. (one shot halfrecruited).

[Plotinus]

the player who chose which SK could attack on a night had a town win con. but if she died then all of the SKs would have been allowed to kill each night.

[Plotinus]

just thought of something though. brantz psuedocided on day 1, 2, and 7. nuke from orbit happened day 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10. if bbmolla is telling the truth, which i am not sure of, then brantz being by himself means he cant be it. literally can’t unless it’s day submit and sometimes he submitted before psuedociding. if bbmolla is lying then he was just doing no kill to hope to survive with his miller claim once his faction seemed dead, and the last person is then group scum, so brantz isnt ruled out.

truthful molla: BC scum
lying molla: Brantz or BC

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Wait. Wait. Wait.

WHAAAT?!

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL PLAYING?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

[Drixx]

If BB isn't just trolling, my earlier logic needs updating. Having a mafia faction that kills, a werewolf faction that kills, two solos who kill and another mafia faction who are really survivors ... that's messed up.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

And no, I don't give a shit if you think that's overreacting. How the fuck were we at 3-1-1?

[Drixx]

Well, the more important question is that if BBmolla isn't trolling ... the LYLO is gonna be {BC, Plot, BRantz} and I see twelve different sorts of disaster possible there, especially with the massive need to update assumptions.

Of course, BBmolla could just be trolling and at the end of the twilight we'll get a short night and then the town win announcement. I've seen mods do that before.

What BB claims makes sense in terms of how he could have the ability he had as scum, and he really did have that ability. Of course, he could be the nuker and it could be day submitted.

FWIW - Incinerated stopped happening before any scum group's most recent member died. If Incinerate were Berlin, then nights 4-6 have gigantic question marks as for why no kills. My guess is that BBmolla is full of shit. Incinerate stopped right at the time that he became the {presumed} last member of his faction. If he could either protect himself or Incinerate, then he chose to protect himself from then on. There was a claimed "I tried to kill him WTF" from the SK.

That would make a lot more sense then positing 5 anti-town factions (with two of them being single players)

Volcano Mafia - Incinerates and had 3 members
Werewolf - Eviscerate and had 2 members
Berlin - Nukes and has 3 members
SK - Devoured

In that case, we're looking for a Berlin Mafia member. That does require a 3:2:8 setup to be considered balanced, but that makes more sense than the bullshit BBmolla is peddling.

Of course, setup spec probably doesn't help much now. If there is scum alive, it doesn't really matter if it's from a faction we already know about or from a faction that wasn't apparent until now ... it just matters who it is.

For all the haters and doubters:

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

well, how do you define investigation proof? if you were modding a game and you designed an investigation proof character, their role name would be what, Godfather? something along those lines? Investigation Immune SK? in a theme game maybe an ability like Cloak of Invisibility or something?

Well, I feel more like "investigation proof" would be roles that screw over an investigation such as godfather, while "investigation immune" literally means they can't be investigated, period. If our role was a straight reflexive JK, then we'd be immune, but we're just semi-invs. proof. Yes, using "proof" in that quote instead of immune was wrong.

there’s a reason he didn’t push it on day 2 (he thought no result meant not werewolf) but you couldn’t have known that yet so you get a pass for that. The thing is you did know, or could have guessed, that at some point a cop might target you and get a no result and wonder what was up with that. did you crumb it? i’m not that great at crumb hunting — so far the only times i’ve noticed crumbs were from people who weren’t actually crumbing anything.

No, I didn't try to crumb, and I don't think Bulb or venus did either. If a cop got a no result on us and asked about it to the point that partial claiming was unavoidable, I would have explained then. I don't consider myself good enough to steer that kind of thing in a way to attract town but deter scum when nothing about my role's on the board.

Of course, setup spec probably doesn't help much now. If there is scum alive, it doesn't really matter if it's from a faction we already know about or from a faction that wasn't apparent until now ... it just matters who it is.

Maybe, but I'm not at all amused at the choice we'll have to make now.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

And if we seriously have to stew for an entire twilight/night period, I'm not happy cuttlefish. No hugs for you.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Ugh...Now I just feel burnt out...

[Drixx]

If you're town, it's a pretty simple choice.

Do you think Plot, who repeatedly suggested that I couldn't go into LYLO because I was conftown and who spent the whole day wall posting thoughts, much of them concerning players long dead ... is scum.

Or

Do you think BRantz, who has been a lurksack all game, is scum.

And if you are the scum, then poor Plot needs all the mental power he can muster to avoid the obvious you and he agreeing that BRantz is scum scenario.

I mean seriously ... there's a gigantic gulf between you and Plot, who could both reasonably be scum ... and then BRantz, who almost couldn't look scummier if he tried.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

That doesn't mean that Plot can't be faking, nor that Brantz is flaking town.

[Drixx]

Exactly ... if you're town you just have to discern whether what Plot has done this day phase is legitimate or a big play for town cred. There are some things that don't make sense in what he did. Why spend so much time evaluating interactions between dead and dead that weren't in any way relevant to the people alive? The point of doing a re-read is to be able to judge the living players. There's also the fact that he repeatedly referred to me as being conftown (as if he knew for sure, while you weren't) and predicted I would die. There was a pretty strong chance that scum would instead leave me alive to go into LYLO where people would be like "Why the heck is Drixx still alive?" ... so I'm not so sure it was necessarily obvious that I was gonna die.

The only real case against BRantz is that he's a total lurksack and speculation on his role. He has so few posts that you can read them in 5 minutes.

Assuming there really is a scum remaining and BBmolla isn't just being a troll for last minute anxiousness ... I don't envy the two of you who are town. I do wish you luck though. Bring home the win guys. I don't really have anything more I think I can add. My thoughts are in the thread and hopefully will be of some use.

"Good night, and good luck." - Edward R. Murrow

[Plotinus]

you had a “not mafia” on you from a deadcop. sanity guaranteed. i did say a few times that i thought you might be a godfather if you survived the night. but it just wasn’t worth pursuing it that day. pursuing “oh no what if drixx is Godfather” was a distraction.

I haven’t been posting much about dead people at all except when they were talking about the living. i’m reading what the dead said and looking at how the living interacted with it. i have started skimming dead vs dead stuff like titus vs trousers, but still reading enough to see if they said anything about the living again. to get back to the going with the flow metaphor, when you know almost everyone who posted’s alignment you can see the townies pulling things in one direction and then you see different scum teams pulling things in other directions and then you see the living and compare. There have been a lot of distractions this game. i was looking at who was benefiting from them, who was prologing them, who was trying to get the distractions to stop. BBmolla was one of the people consistently trying to pull people back on track and get them to vote scum. If mastin hadn’t have hammered him then I doubt I would have managed it tomorrow. He played very well and completely fooled me.

I agree that BBmolla probably did thought his best chance of winning was to just not incinerate anybody after vonflare died. and once he stopped he couldn’t start up again without looking guilty. if he’s telling the truth (a big if in my opinion) then vonflare hoping for lots of nightkills kinda makes more sense (but i thought it made sense anyway for someone on a small team in a 26 player game) and then it turns out that i’m only bp to one of the factions, just like drixx.

[BBmolla]

i dont incienrate

[Plotinus]

incinerate: Night: 1, 2, 3 (the last one was after vonflare was lynched!)
eviscerate: night: 1, 2 (stopped after vonflare lynch. werewolves make more sense flavourwise; maybe om and peregrine forgot to submit?)
nuke from orbit: Day 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10 (ongoing)
devoured: night 5, 6 (stopped after oranje was lynched, or after narninian was devoured but oranje makes more sense)

pirate ika shot day 2, narninian devoured night 6
vyse incinerated night 2, vonflare lynched day 3, bbmolla lynched day 10
elusive lynched day 4, peregrine lynched day 5
oranje lynched day 9

[Plotinus]

bbmolla you don’t eviscerate,d o you?

[BBmolla]

The only ate I do is masturfully bait

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

The only ate I do is masturfully bait

Inane question, but do you have any idea if you actually blocked kills?

Did Vyse try to target us?