Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 2.8

ZZZX (3)

- Frogging Mollie, Hydrangea, Plum

[L-3]

Cho (2)

- dragonspawn, Grib

Bellaphant (1)

- ZZZX

dragonspawn (1)

- ika

Frogging Mollie (1)

- Cho
Bookitty -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
Tere -


Not Voting (3): Bellaphant, Bookitty, Tere

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-13 19:30:19), or June 13th, 6:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Tere]

I am just about to head to London for an event - will be sans internet for 24 hours. Will catch up when I get back.

[Frogging Mollie]

I just typed out a very big response to this post but it got lost and it is pissing me off cos this is not the first time that this has happened in this game.

ive been readin your post mollie, i just find it annyoing that you are kinda going (and understand MPOV right now), why is it my fault for MS lynch stuff and acting like nobody is talking to you.

you have to understand the burden and what I am preceving to undertand my frustration atm and right now i dont think you 100% understand or realize it yet.

take an iso of yourself and tell em what you see in reagrds to the MS/you thing. cus you have to undertsand that i was also in an influence of a neigborhood. its like HU2 where you basicly went after shos all game and i was shouting hes town but at the end you were like "well i dont care he didnt reach out to me"

im getting a repeat of that here now and thats whats unfolding

when I wanted to look elsewhere for scum other than metal cos of the claim you pushed it through so wtf, this is nothing like shos.

unless you are saying that you were townreading metal...at some point when you wanted him lynched? <----- I wld like this answered.

cos I don't remember that happening at all.

your angles are wrong. why are you asking why pple are assuming a rb? I mean it comes down to either yukari/cho is lying or we are unless there is a rb in play or in some vague universe far far away a protect. I am trying to figure out why you are staying away from the whole situ when it shld be your top priority to sort it out.

I wld also like you to give me a stance on zzthing and I do not wanna hear how he has not posted much so you can't give a read cos you seem to have this expectation that other pple shld be able to but not you.

and drop the emotional blackmail. you want space but when it is given you do nothing with it except...this. more aTe. I want to see you try to solve the game cos I am simply not seeing it.

my earlier response was better and more focused but I am tired and this will have to do for now.

[Bookitty]

I don't know what was so fluffy about my last two posts. I was answering a question in one of them. I mean, I was in a good mood so I might have had silly extraneous stuff in it, but I don't think it was fluffy.

This game is sort of oppressive. I hate it when things get bogged down into the personal and it's hard for me to motivate myself to reread when so much of it is so harsh. That said, I am STILL almost certain that Mollie is town. This feels like Mollie town, frustrated, honest and putting herself out there. I can't pretend to read Froggie but I don't need to, because I think I can read Mollie.

I don't trust Yukari and I haven't from the start. Cho seems abrasive too, and that's pretty out of character for the Marquis I know and love, so I'm looking for more interaction from Cho to try and figure out if it was just clashing between Yukari and me or if it was a genuine scumread, not a playstyle problem.

I don't want to lynch Ika today. I'd prefer to lynch ZZZX because I've been badly burned by his laissez-faire playstyle before and I don't want to let it get to LYLO again.

[Hydrangea]

Game-relevant and towny.

Makes sense.

Looks like I'm caught up for now.

@plum what do you think of zzzx now that he was pushed to L1 so quickly? What do you think of Bella?

@Bella your excuse for pushing zzzx to L1 was not being good at math? Seriously? Do you still think zzzx is scum? What do you think of plum?

@cho what do you think of plum and Bella? What about hydra?

@hydra what do you think of the above three? Who are your biggest scum reads?

@bookitty what do you think of the zzzx wagon and the above people.

@everyone mentioned plus grib what do you think of boo?

I think plum is town. Bella is a slight scum lean, as is yukari/cho.

my biggest scum reads would be cho, bella, and zzzx. Boo is kinda a question mark, but gut says town.

[Bookitty]

@bookitty what do you think of the zzzx wagon and the above people.

Okay. I missed this before.

I think the ZZZX wagon is completely understandable. I played with him in a game where he was town but he was so useless that we ended up voting him out in LYLO. He never did help us at all. Apparently this isn't a one-off situation either.

I feel like he was useful early on, but then just faded away and isn't much use at all anymore.

Plum is pretty obviously town imo. I understand her posts, they're clear and relevant and she's seriously awesome. I don't really agree with some of her reads (and no, I can't remember right now and I'm at work, but if you want to know I'll look and tell you later which ones) but I do think she's town.

Meh on Bellaphant. I feel like she's kind of going with the flow, but I don't know that I think that's a scummy thing in this game. It's far worse imo to keep spinning the wheel of whatever to ensure that people keep fighting with each other.

If by hydra you mean Hydrangea, I answered this to Mollie: Yes, she's something like Honey bee in DoA but I don't want to read more into it than that right now.

[ZZZX]

I feel like he was useful early on, but then just faded away and isn't much use at all anymore.

So if someone disappeared for 5 irl days he literally is of "no use at all"

okey.

Reading this tonight but this is some bullshit logic here.

[ZZZX]

Imho people on my lynch remind me of an old game. Trying to push me because "I was useless in one game and I have been useless for 0.25% of this game (aka the begining of this dayphase where I even wrote in detail how I couldnt be here at this time very recently) sounds as a really cheap shot at that. Also Bookitty the only game I remeber where you were there was the game where I got NK'd. Unless ur talking about the Reck's which was another situation anyway.

[Bookitty]

So if someone disappeared for 5 irl days he literally is of "no use at all"

Yes, I'll stand by that. What good were you to us during that time? What have you done that is helpful since?

I'm not voting you. But I want you to DO SOMETHING.

[Bellaphant]

@Bella your excuse for pushing zzzx to L1 was not being good at math? Seriously? Do you still think zzzx is scum? What do you think of plum?


@everyone mentioned plus grib what do you think of boo?

Yeah: I didn't realise it was l-1. With Ika in the game, l-1 is the new hammer, and I wouldn't have done it. I have said this: whether you accept it or not is up to you.

zzzx is still scummy. Like, have you read his iso? There's an awful lot of non content there: he town-reads mollie early on, votes yukari for his metal push (with a giant quote and a tiny summary 279), town-reads metal, kinda defends metal, posts a reads-list where half the players are null 411 - notable as this was after metal's replace out nonsense, but it doesn't affect his read: his scum-reads also include WNI who was voting him -, continually hedges his read on ika, focuses on those voting him (this survivalist feel basically never goes away), doesn't think the early boo wagon is very towny, but also has boo as a hard scum-read and doesn't vote, 681 is interesting, some fluff, omgus-s plum, has some valid points about his wagon being underexplained, but ignores previous reads (like, my first reads list he was in my scum-pile...). There's just not a lot of actual scum-hunting/extended thoughts going on. I'm leaving my vote right now 'coz Tere is right about speed-wagons.


Plum: I don't agree with some of her thoughts/reads, but I like that she's expanding on them...my read on her changes quite a bit, but I'm trying to work out if she's scum who wants to look like she's thinking, or town who's working on their thought processes. I do think she's avoiding some scrutiny, but this doesn't necessarily mean she's scum OR town as of itself

: mod, she's also due a prod

Boo: initially scummy, I liked the one on one responses they gave, still got a scum-lean on them but she's not top of my list right now.

[dragonspawn]

I don't know what was so fluffy about my last two posts. I was answering a question in one of them. I mean, I was in a good mood so I might have had silly extraneous stuff in it, but I don't think it was fluffy.

This game is sort of oppressive. I hate it when things get bogged down into the personal and it's hard for me to motivate myself to reread when so much of it is so harsh. That said, I am STILL almost certain that Mollie is town. This feels like Mollie town, frustrated, honest and putting herself out there. I can't pretend to read Froggie but I don't need to, because I think I can read Mollie.

I don't trust Yukari and I haven't from the start. Cho seems abrasive too, and that's pretty out of character for the Marquis I know and love, so I'm looking for more interaction from Cho to try and figure out if it was just clashing between Yukari and me or if it was a genuine scumread, not a playstyle problem.

I don't want to lynch Ika today. I'd prefer to lynch ZZZX because I've been badly burned by his laissez-faire playstyle before and I don't want to let it get to LYLO again.

Are you scum reading him or I this a policy lynch

[dragonspawn]

@Bella your excuse for pushing zzzx to L1 was not being good at math? Seriously? Do you still think zzzx is scum? What do you think of plum?


@everyone mentioned plus grib what do you think of boo?

Yeah: I didn't realise it was l-1. With Ika in the game, l-1 is the new hammer, and I wouldn't have done it. I have said this: whether you accept it or not is up to you.

zzzx is still scummy. Like, have you read his iso? There's an awful lot of non content there: he town-reads mollie early on, votes yukari for his metal push (with a giant quote and a tiny summary 279), town-reads metal, kinda defends metal, posts a reads-list where half the players are null 411 - notable as this was after metal's replace out nonsense, but it doesn't affect his read: his scum-reads also include WNI who was voting him -, continually hedges his read on ika, focuses on those voting him (this survivalist feel basically never goes away), doesn't think the early boo wagon is very towny, but also has boo as a hard scum-read and doesn't vote, 681 is interesting, some fluff, omgus-s plum, has some valid points about his wagon being underexplained, but ignores previous reads (like, my first reads list he was in my scum-pile...). There's just not a lot of actual scum-hunting/extended thoughts going on. I'm leaving my vote right now 'coz Tere is right about speed-wagons.


Plum: I don't agree with some of her thoughts/reads, but I like that she's expanding on them...my read on her changes quite a bit, but I'm trying to work out if she's scum who wants to look like she's thinking, or town who's working on their thought processes. I do think she's avoiding some scrutiny, but this doesn't necessarily mean she's scum OR town as of itself

: mod, she's also due a prod

Boo: initially scummy, I liked the one on one responses they gave, still got a scum-lean on them but she's not top of my list right now.

Is there something other than him lurking that is scummy?

How is plum avoiding scrutiny in your opinion?

[Plum]

Sorry, I've been away from home yesterday and today. Knew I would have internet access, didn't realize how tired I'd be; in retrospect I should have declared V/LA. Catching up before bed.

[Grib]

Man, it sure got quiet.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZZZX

Maybe a slightly bigger wagon will encourage people to post.

[dragonspawn]

How is putting him L2 going to make people talk more?

Do you think He is scum or is this just trying to get some discussion going?

I still don't like the speed of the initial wagon against him. I don't think the scum would bus buddy that fast.

[Plum]

@plum, that's fair(ish), but I was trying to figure out whether she was scum, a preferred wagon, or what. As she wasn't really posting, I ended up having to ask more people who'd had 1 on 1 interactions with her. After having a bit of back and forth, I feel better about the slot.

Meh.

Tere, for when you get back, I respect you and your slot but seriously you're not moving the game anywhere by saying I'm obvious scum, posting an intent to vote me, and leaving it at that. You want to dance, I'm cool with that. If not . . . ??? Whether you outright vote me or not, I don't think we're in danger of a flashwagon, so seriously. You're basically a consensus Townread, and opinions on me are decidedly more mixed, so, you know, stuff might happen if we went at it, whether or not what I had to say affected your opinion of me here or whatever. And the game needs stuff happening. We were all excited to start Day 2 with information! Brilliant! Except then we got ambiguous information and there's not only no consensus about going after either Frogmollie or Cho based on that, but also not much initiative now that we've realized that almost no one seems to have a super strong feeling about that.

@plum what do you think of zzzx now that he was pushed to L1 so quickly? What do you think of Bella?

Eh? It doesn't seem like it makes it much less likely that ZZZX is scum, to be honest. Weird wagons can happen all the time. Bella remains more than vaguely shady. Bookitty, whom you ask about at the end of the post, remains considerably more likely to be scum than baseline largely due to (or pinpointable because of) the way the wagons were Day 1. I'll be honest - I do feel like her last post was

relatable

. Like, a lot of hostile and almost-hostile interactions have really burned something out of the game here. And it's true in many respects that the last few pages have been a mix of mostly going with the flow or engaging in interactions that aren't that useful but might feed frustration between players. And that sucks. But to turn the question around: Dragon, what or who do you see in the ZZZX wagon that makes you read it as indicating Town-ZZZX or whatever? Who's the opportunist in the equation?

I'd prefer to lynch ZZZX because I've been badly burned by his laissez-faire playstyle before and I don't want to let it get to LYLO again.

Really? Really? Just because of that?

Bookitty, what did/do you think of the Day 1 wagon on you? Do you have any independent scumreads outside not knowing what to do with the Yukari/Frogmollie stuff?

[Cho]

Sorry for the absence. I should have declared limited ~playtime~ access earlier due to irl things, but things will be back to normal for at least tomorrow.

[Cho]

Sorry for the absence. I should have declared limited ~playtime~ access earlier due to irl things, but things will be back to normal for at least tomorrow.

[Cho]

Oops, forgot I already posted.

[Grib]

How is putting him L2 going to make people talk more?

Do you think He is scum or is this just trying to get some discussion going?

I still don't like the speed of the initial wagon against him. I don't think the scum would bus buddy that fast.

Well, if you'll notice, I voted and then people decided to post.

[Grib]

Also you basically asked me a question about something that's answered in the post you're questioning.

[ika]

1) when I wanted to look elsewhere for scum other than metal cos of the claim you pushed it through so wtf, this is nothing like shos.

unless you are saying that you were townreading metal...at some point when you wanted him lynched? <----- I wld like this answered.

cos I don't remember that happening at all.

2) your angles are wrong. why are you asking why pple are assuming a rb? I mean it comes down to either yukari/cho is lying or we are unless there is a rb in play or in some vague universe far far away a protect. I am trying to figure out why you are staying away from the whole situ when it shld be your top priority to sort it out.

3) I wld also like you to give me a stance on zzthing and I do not wanna hear how he has not posted much so you can't give a read cos you seem to have this expectation that other pple shld be able to but not you.

4) I want to see you try to solve the game cos I am simply not seeing it.

1) you never made it clear, there was a breif glimp where i thought he was town near end of day but i was at work wehn i considered it (i think about my games a lot when at work and board). it was also at the begining of the day. its just not really that much shown. but by the times it came to futition it was too late like 99% of the other times i realize it.

2) cus honestly the best way to sort it out is lynch yukari/you. we can sit here and speculate till the days ends btu it leaves notohign but wifom.

3) he can jsut fucking die in this game, you seem to think after our team game we should have some magic meta/connection but the truth of the matter is i/we dont. after the gaem we barly ever chatted scince then. i cant force a read i dont have.

4) cus hoenslty after the who shitfest i lost a lot of my urge to solve the game. right now i just want to have a moment to jsut take everythign in. i mean when i get univeraly town read i become apathetic and less gamesolvy cus its a vicious cycle of "im town, now everyone says nothing like im reactionary so when theres nothing to react to, i cant really sove games"

[Bellaphant]

Is there something other than him lurking that is scummy?

How is plum avoiding scrutiny in your opinion?

did you actually read my post: there's more to zzxx than just lurking - I explained my read, and you ignored it, while continuing to question me on it. Wut?

Also, it's not that plum, specifically, is doing anything to avoid scrutiny, but that other posters aren't giving her a lot of attention. It could be with all the oog stuff going on, there's a group of players who are just kinda getting null-read off the back of it. Maybe it's her slight tunnel-vision on me that's making me feel odd about it.

@ika, do you think zzzx is scummy? Can you give me your top three town and scum-reads?

[ZZZX]

zzzx is still scummy. Like, have you read his iso? There's an awful lot of non content there: he town-reads mollie early on, votes yukari for his metal push (with a giant quote and a tiny summary 279), town-reads metal, kinda defends metal, posts a reads-list where half the players are null 411 - notable as this was after metal's replace out nonsense, but it doesn't affect his read: his scum-reads also include WNI who was voting him -, continually hedges his read on ika, focuses on those voting him (this survivalist feel basically never goes away), doesn't think the early boo wagon is very towny, but also has boo as a hard scum-read and doesn't vote, 681 is interesting, some fluff, omgus-s plum, has some valid points about his wagon being underexplained, but ignores previous reads (like, my first reads list he was in my scum-pile...). There's just not a lot of actual scum-hunting/extended thoughts going on. I'm leaving my vote right now 'coz Tere is right about speed-wagons.

lets be honest. this whole mess isnt low content. Yea my content isnt perfect but what i have done so far is pretty decent imho.

[ZZZX]

did you actually read my post: there's more to zzxx than just lurking - I explained my read, and you ignored it, while continuing to question me on it. Wut?

reading back now but can you mention it again? I am pretty sure I cant remeber you saying anything true/making sense about it.