↑ ika wrote:4) cus hoenslty after the who shitfest i lost a lot of my urge to solve the game. right now i just want to have a moment to jsut take everythign in. i mean when i get univeraly town read i become apathetic and less gamesolvy cus its a vicious cycle of "im town, now everyone says nothing like im reactionary so when theres nothing to react to, i cant really sove games"
↑ Plum wrote:↑ Bellaphant wrote:@plum, that's fair(ish), but I was trying to figure out whether she was scum, a preferred wagon, or what. As she wasn't really posting, I ended up having to ask more people who'd had 1 on 1 interactions with her. After having a bit of back and forth, I feel better about the slot.
Meh.
Tere, for when you get back, I respect you and your slot but seriously you're not moving the game anywhere by saying I'm obvious scum, posting an intent to vote me, and leaving it at that. You want to dance, I'm cool with that. If not . . . ??? Whether you outright vote me or not, I don't think we're in danger of a flashwagon, so seriously. You're basically a consensus Townread, and opinions on me are decidedly more mixed, so, you know, stuff might happen if we went at it, whether or not what I had to say affected your opinion of me here or whatever. And the game needs stuff happening. We were all excited to start Day 2 with information! Brilliant! Except then we got ambiguous information and there's not only no consensus about going after either Frogmollie or Cho based on that, but also not much initiative now that we've realized that almost no one seems to have a super strong feeling about that.
↑ dragonspawn wrote:@plum what do you think of zzzx now that he was pushed to L1 so quickly? What do you think of Bella?
Eh? It doesn't seem like it makes it much less likely that ZZZX is scum, to be honest. Weird wagons can happen all the time. Bella remains more than vaguely shady. Bookitty, whom you ask about at the end of the post, remains considerably more likely to be scum than baseline largely due to (or pinpointable because of) the way the wagons were Day 1. I'll be honest - I do feel like her last post wasrelatable. Like, a lot of hostile and almost-hostile interactions have really burned something out of the game here. And it's true in many respects that the last few pages have been a mix of mostly going with the flow or engaging in interactions that aren't that useful but might feed frustration between players. And that sucks. But to turn the question around: Dragon, what or who do you see in the ZZZX wagon that makes you read it as indicating Town-ZZZX or whatever? Who's the opportunist in the equation?
Really? Really? Just because of that?
Bookitty, what did/do you think of the Day 1 wagon on you? Do you have any independent scumreads outside not knowing what to do with the Yukari/Frogmollie stuff?
↑ dragonspawn wrote:How is putting him L2 going to make people talk more?
Do you think He is scum or is this just trying to get some discussion going?
I still don't like the speed of the initial wagon against him. I don't think the scum would bus buddy that fast.
↑ White Night Imagination wrote:↑ Plum wrote:WNI, why haven't you voted Frogmollie or otherwise pursued her? If you're convinced MS is Town and Frogmollie is scum to the point that you can see lynch MS --> speedlynch Frogmollie working out, why haven't you put anything into cutting out the middleman? Yukari even suggested it. You're literally voting Bookitty basically to try to save MS and just nope. This whole bit is part of the reason I'm not trusting you at all here. Not buying Frogmollie scum for now, not interested in justifying it to you either. It doesn't matter. The argument between you two has devolved into something full of negative utility and I don't want to come near it.
because of people like you who don't want to lynch her for *insert shit reason here* and don't give a shit about justifying it
if the entire argument between us is negative utility, why is it surprising I'm not making a bigger deal over it than I am? I don't always try to lynch my top scum read - I sometimes aim for other ppl for strategic reasons (plus as I said I think Boo has a greater than average chance of flipping scum anyway). and I think I've done a pretty good job of pursuing it thus far in that although I didn't try to lynch her I'll have drawn a lot of attention to her *if* I'm right about MS being town here.
↑ White Night Imagination wrote:actually, the more I reread that paragraph of 871, the less sense it makes
>calls the mollie fight anti-town
>I've admitted as much in the game thread
>is surprised I'm NOT pursuing it HARDER than I am?
???
saying it's bad that I'm attempting to save a town read is also ???.
↑ ika wrote:↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
1) when I wanted to look elsewhere for scum other than metal cos of the claim you pushed it through so wtf, this is nothing like shos.
unless you are saying that you were townreading metal...at some point when you wanted him lynched? <----- I wld like this answered.
cos I don't remember that happening at all.
2) your angles are wrong. why are you asking why pple are assuming a rb? I mean it comes down to either yukari/cho is lying or we are unless there is a rb in play or in some vague universe far far away a protect. I am trying to figure out why you are staying away from the whole situ when it shld be your top priority to sort it out.
3) I wld also like you to give me a stance on zzthing and I do not wanna hear how he has not posted much so you can't give a read cos you seem to have this expectation that other pple shld be able to but not you.
4) I want to see you try to solve the game cos I am simply not seeing it.
1) you never made it clear, there was a breif glimp where i thought he was town near end of day but i was at work wehn i considered it (i think about my games a lot when at work and board). it was also at the begining of the day. its just not really that much shown. but by the times it came to futition it was too late like 99% of the other times i realize it.
2)cus honestly the best way to sort it out is lynch yukari/you.we can sit here and speculate till the days ends btu it leaves notohign but wifom.
3) he can jsut fucking die in this game, you seem to think after our team game we should have some magic meta/connection but the truth of the matter is i/we dont. after the gaem we barly ever chatted scince then. i cant force a read i dont have.
4) cus hoenslty after the who shitfest i lost a lot of my urge to solve the game. right now i just want to have a moment to jsut take everythign in. i mean when i get univeraly town read i become apathetic and less gamesolvy cus its a vicious cycle of "im town, now everyone says nothing like im reactionary so when theres nothing to react to, i cant really sove games"
↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
okay I see it now ty for the hug <3
do you think you can iso zzthing? cos that shld have been the first thing that you shld have done IMO before you decided to dismantle the wagon. I don't think anybody was going to quick hammer 2 lynches in a row but I wanted to apply pressure onto zzthing to get him to DO something. which he DID manage to cough up a readslist but it was sooper dismal combined with his iso. I thought after the nightless game he wld have gained some confidence and start really investing in games but I guess not.
I can see why you want to go after plum. my reticence stems largely cos both she and boo come from the ballroom dancing mafia time period and will stick out like sore thumbs with a backdrop of primarily conversational mafia players. so I have been trying to engage her in way that will help me sort her out. she was pretty strong town on d1 I felt like but eh, today I get the feeling she is holding back and waiting for where town herd will go. my personal struggle is cos I find myself liking her especially how she lays out her thought processes. so i find myself wanting to keep her around cos she is lovely to talk to.
can you also iso yukari, I looked up cho's threads that he has posted in cos I wanted to see where the familiarity was coming from and I think I have an idea. I was starting to lean town on yukari just cos I wld be surprised if scum was THIS butthurt over not getting their lynch choice lynched I mean holy cow but I don't like cho's "yeah I can see mollie's last 4 posts coming from scum! VOTE FROGMOLL" but eh, I can see town motivation in seeing who wld latch on if I squint my eyes real hard so I am defo split on that slot. froggy will be chanting to his death that he thinks yukari slot is scum. yukari saying that he cld sort out metal by vigging him makes zero sense I mean just lynch him already but he seemed to have an agenda as far as the priorities of the lynch order. I have only seen this kind of bs come from lynchers but I will hunt ank down IRL and murder him if he put a hood and a lyncher in a game w/o adequate town fire power so I am not going there.
cld you plz talk to grib? my fear is that and I might somehow some way wind up further in the game with him having inherited elusive's chip on her shoulder and that it will effect a town win. what irks me is that elusive has a history of doing this exact behaviour with other players on her homesite that he doesn't seem to be taking into consideration and I feel like it isn't very fair.
if either (or both which I don't want to even consider) boo or plum are scum it will depress me greatly cos those are the 2 that I like most in the game up to this point.
I feel better after updating the spreadsheet we had started, it is a touching stone for me to look at and figure things out. I was waiting to see if we made it through the night.
and I feel better after talking to you.
@ boo thanks for your input on hydraflower. I am not getting bad feels from her either but was wondering if I was being blindsighted.
↑ Grib wrote:↑ dragonspawn wrote:How is putting him L2 going to make people talk more?
Do you think He is scum or is this just trying to get some discussion going?
I still don't like the speed of the initial wagon against him. I don't think the scum would bus buddy that fast.
Well, if you'll notice, I voted and then people decided to post.
↑ Cho wrote:
Starting here - someone mentioned something about the last neighbor not killing other neighbors, which I want to agree with but I know I shouldn't before I reread it.
Not going to bother with NKA at this point because pie+Bri feels a lot more like a "not lynchable"/"town as fuck" kill just based on it being... them.
↑ Ankamius wrote:This game has a semi-open element to it. It works as follows:
a) One role from each pool will be randomly chosen. If there are multiples of a role, each pool will be rerolled.
b) Exactly three pools will roll a town role and exactly one will roll a mafia role.
c)This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.
[N] -> Usable at Night.
[D] -> Usable at Day.
[A] -> Usable Action.
[P] -> Passive Action.
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Pool 1:
1) 2-shot Tracker
2) 2-shot Voyeur
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop
Pool 2:
1) 2-shot Doctor
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Voyeur
4) Mafia Bulletproof
Pool 3:
1) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
2) 2-shot Doctor
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia Bulletproof
Pool 4:
1) 2-shot Tracker
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop
Spoiler: Ability PMs
