Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Sonic Boom]

@Jaq,

Can you knock off the third person stuff? It's making it harder for me to read you. It's also day 1, no one can have a case that's extremely solid. At least not to me. Yelling is not helpful. I've been in your spot before and really certain I had scum dead to rights. The problem is, you're tuning out the rest of the game. If you're not engaging the rest of us, it makes it harder to follow your reads

regardless of their merit

. Given you have stated you're a Waynegg alt, I do think I understand you a fair amount and see that you're either going to your pissed off place soon. Just take a step back and look at what the rest of us are saying.

FMPOV, I have grave concerns with your push on Bins, that are separate from your play. That wagon developed particularly fast and I don't have a strong read on your slot or on Lying Cat yet. The wagon on hiplop developed for reasons I do understand but there's large indirect resistance to it. While I'm not townreading Bins, the votes

suggest

that Bins and hiplop are not likely scum together. Is it foolproof? Nope, my VCA is weakest when scum are dually wagoned. I would expect that if both of them were scum, a second wagon (the first wagon is on me) on town would develop. The Vanilla Nightless was a particular eery example. There are downsides to this type of thinking as neither as flipped yet.

TLDR: There are four scum, we can both play hardball this way, or we can work together. It's much easier to disprove falsehoods than to prove the truth. There are 4 scums. Tunneling is bad.

Can you tell me what you actually think of hiplop? His recent play seems rather defensive.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That one is reading more Newb town than newb scum. A man is leaving his pissed off place behind years ago.

[Tere]

Im already confuzzled by anyone reading tere as scum

They can't read me for shit?

Hiplop's "case" reeks. Fabricated case and hasn't even got the vote pattern right IIRC. Quite happy with where my vote is based on that alone.

My town and scum game is quite different and that's easy to find out with basic ISO research. I think they saw join date and thought they would be pushing lynchbait. Bad bad choice.

[Tere]

she was on the flubbernugged wagon, cerberus wagon, sonic boom wagon, my wagon, and the bins wagon.

Yet has barely provided any reasons? just blatant wagon hopping

This is adorable. I say I am less happy with hiplop mainly based on the appalling ploppy vote on Sonic Boom and he comes out with blah blah fluff active lurking blah blah set up spec blah blah fluff and this gem.

This is horseshit. If you look at my ISO I voted Flubber for his RVS vote and run, which I immediately unvoted once he started actually doing anything, I was nowhere near the Cerb wagon, I voted Sonic Boom for reasons at least some of which is clear, if you, y'know actually read my ISO, unvoted because of hiplop's dreadful vote, and voted Bins because of reasons I can't discuss because it's ongoing how much more obvious do I need to be good lord.

This whole push looks like defensive opportunism to me. He hasn't even worked out what votes I have actually placed (can I reiterate I was nowhere near the Cerb wagon?), he just wants a convenient counterwagon. It reeks.

[Tere]

That one is reading more Newb town than newb scum. A man is leaving his pissed off place behind years ago.

With a March 2011 join date, why is a man giving hiplop a Newb town pass?

[Tere]

ohhh you're waynegg? that makes sense.

vote: hiplop

i'm going my own way just now pending bins' response to you, but i do see your more recent points about her having some sound reasoning behind them.

Sorry. Been a week without much internet access, and I'll be having less for the weekend still.
I re-read hiplop's iso and he seems opportunistic. I like him more for scum than Sonic right now.

-flum

Dang it.
VOTE: hiphop

VOTE: unvote

Least happy with hiplop, Bins and Sonic Boom at the mo, but not clear enough on a read to have a vote sitting there unattended. Will look again properly on Monday.

example: pressure on me begins, she votes me. Pressure dies down, she jumps off before it dies.

She spends like 20 posts talking to ika about hammering, another like 10 talking about the inventor setup.Rest are basically fluff or wagon hopping.

[@ ika (cut down slightly from original to try to avoid spam)

In post 2, Antihero wrote:
THE SETUP

There are three inventors in this game. They may or may not be all of the same alignment and there may or may not be other power roles in the setup.

Inventors can grant other players one-shot abilities. Inventors will use their action during the day and it will resolve at twilight, before the flip.

Inventors' targets will be informed of their abilities at the beginning of the night. Their ability is one shot and must be used that night. These abilities are also "free". That is, they can be used in addition to a power role the player may have. Should a player receive multiple abilities from inventors s/he may use all the abilities.


In organic IIRC there were 4 inventors and a backup. And one scum inventor flipped in the end, so yeah, there's less here.

I encourage everyone to have a look at Anti's set up posts and his last few posts with the role PM and whatnot. It's similar but clearly not the same.

Hi there! I am assuming this is Marquis? You're wrong What can I do to help you rectify this?

(if this is Paradise Lost related we should talk about it and shelve it because I wasn't in a good headspace in that game because of [redacted ongoing] compounded with being effectively a treestump with a person who wasn't conducive for me to be a treestump with. So I wasn't in a happy place in that game as is obvious I think in postgame.)

BTW you are officially in my neutral naughty step for the moment because while I wasn't reading as hard as I usually do in Paradise Lost because of extreme personal frustration you were townread solidly enough as Cho by me that I was willing to engage in damage limitation on your behalf, you scumbag. So pfft

Hi Titus! You aren't the boss of me ika will do what ika does and I am confident he is town. BTW, I have read Uncouth already, and I didn't feel that, but I will reread Uncouth after the weekend and have another look to see if I can see what you are seeing since I should reread you anyway. Feel free to poke me if I don't mention it, that feels like an OK nag. I don't know what the fuck your last sentence is about but maybe that will become clear later

on phone so hard to really go in depth, but basically shes just been spamming the thread (active lurker style) and occasionally giving crumby reasons just join/leave wagons.[/quote]

Double protip, I am not Shakira Confirmed. The first time I was actually on your wagon was late last night in disgust at this junk. The whole of this is just awful and screams of you not reading the thread and just wanting to make a case, any case. It reeks.

[Tere]

^ scumclaim

Explain, you peaked my curiosity.

"i can't possibly be scum because i never get lynched as scum, oh yeah i just jumped off your wagon but i uh totally still think youre scum"

what he just said. if that isn't blatant new scum falling to the pressure of a vote, i dont know what is.

Correct me if I am wrong but did tere not say that he is hard to lynch as

town

if he chooses to be?

Also the kind of semi-passive semi-agressive stance of tere is giving me the creeps. Expecting more action from town tere. You can say its a gut feeling that tells me Tere is not to be trusted. Not hard enough to scum read Tere tho.

Hey Z, you wanna clarify this "passive aggressive semi aggressive"stance thing that's creeping you out?

[Tere]

Out for Sunday relly duty.

[Cerberus v666]

@Jaq,

Can you knock off the third person stuff? It's making it harder for me to read you. It's also day 1, no one can have a case that's extremely solid. At least not to me. Yelling is not helpful. I've been in your spot before and really certain I had scum dead to rights. The problem is, you're tuning out the rest of the game. If you're not engaging the rest of us, it makes it harder to follow your reads

regardless of their merit

. Given you have stated you're a Waynegg alt, I do think I understand you a fair amount and see that you're either going to your pissed off place soon. Just take a step back and look at what the rest of us are saying.

FMPOV, I have grave concerns with your push on Bins, that are separate from your play. That wagon developed particularly fast and I don't have a strong read on your slot or on Lying Cat yet.

The wagon on hiplop developed for reasons I do understand but there's large indirect resistance to it

. While I'm not townreading Bins, the votes

suggest

that Bins and hiplop are not likely scum together. Is it foolproof? Nope, my VCA is weakest when scum are dually wagoned. I would expect that if both of them were scum, a second wagon (the first wagon is on me) on town would develop. The Vanilla Nightless was a particular eery example. There are downsides to this type of thinking as neither as flipped yet.

TLDR: There are four scum, we can both play hardball this way, or we can work together. It's much easier to disprove falsehoods than to prove the truth. There are 4 scums. Tunneling is bad.

Can you tell me what you actually think of hiplop? His recent play seems rather defensive.

Intent and willingness to vote hiplop here, for the highlighted reason, after the next vote count/when I wake up in the morning since I'd rather not leave a vote unattended.

[ZZZX]

^ scumclaim

Explain, you peaked my curiosity.

"i can't possibly be scum because i never get lynched as scum, oh yeah i just jumped off your wagon but i uh totally still think youre scum"

what he just said. if that isn't blatant new scum falling to the pressure of a vote, i dont know what is.

Correct me if I am wrong but did tere not say that he is hard to lynch as

town

if he chooses to be?

Also the kind of semi-passive semi-agressive stance of tere is giving me the creeps. Expecting more action from town tere. You can say its a gut feeling that tells me Tere is not to be trusted. Not hard enough to scum read Tere tho.

Hey Z, you wanna clarify this "passive aggressive semi aggressive"stance thing that's creeping you out?

Let me sum it in hte most simple (which is somewhat not the most accurate) way.

Opportunistic play not taking risks until I feel those risks do not really have that much town intent behind them.

[ZZZX]

I give cerb some space and hes gone again.

VOTE: Cerb

Also stop voting sonic,

hes

they're town.

Gone again? I've always been here. Is there something you'd like to discuss?

Unlwaa I have some emmeory lose the only reason I went off your wagon is because there was bigger fish to fish. But right now that its gone and you didnt give me the town vibes I want... I am back here.

but I found the fish I wana go for.

VOTE: hiplop/vote]

tbh i have no clue why i forgot to vote him

[ZZZX]

VOTE: hiplop

[Tere]

^ scumclaim

Explain, you peaked my curiosity.

"i can't possibly be scum because i never get lynched as scum, oh yeah i just jumped off your wagon but i uh totally still think youre scum"

what he just said. if that isn't blatant new scum falling to the pressure of a vote, i dont know what is.

Correct me if I am wrong but did tere not say that he is hard to lynch as

town

if he chooses to be?

Also the kind of semi-passive semi-agressive stance of tere is giving me the creeps. Expecting more action from town tere. You can say its a gut feeling that tells me Tere is not to be trusted. Not hard enough to scum read Tere tho.

Hey Z, you wanna clarify this "passive aggressive semi aggressive"stance thing that's creeping you out?

Let me sum it in hte most simple (which is somewhat not the most accurate) way.

Opportunistic play not taking risks until I feel those risks do not really have that much town intent behind them.

ehh, hiplop's the first strong scumfeels I have, scumreading isn't my strong suit, I am better at being town glue. I am still worrying about sonic and bins though (I may articulate Sonic read more on Monday and go find Bins in Pokemon so I can actually talk about it). But hiplop's a good starting point I think. I kinda feel if you are going to craft a scum case you should have read the thread and passed basic comprehension tests like which wagon the person you are scumreading voted on and when, not get them mixed up with completely different people, you know?

[vezokpiraka]

^ scumclaim

Explain, you peaked my curiosity.

"i can't possibly be scum because i never get lynched as scum, oh yeah i just jumped off your wagon but i uh totally still think youre scum"

what he just said. if that isn't blatant new scum falling to the pressure of a vote, i dont know what is.

Correct me if I am wrong but did tere not say that he is hard to lynch as

town

if he chooses to be?

Also the kind of semi-passive semi-agressive stance of tere is giving me the creeps. Expecting more action from town tere. You can say its a gut feeling that tells me Tere is not to be trusted. Not hard enough to scum read Tere tho.

Hey Z, you wanna clarify this "passive aggressive semi aggressive"stance thing that's creeping you out?

Let me sum it in hte most simple (which is somewhat not the most accurate) way.

Opportunistic play not taking risks until I feel those risks do not really have that much town intent behind them.

ehh, hiplop's the first strong scumfeels I have, scumreading isn't my strong suit, I am better at being town glue. I am still worrying about sonic and bins though (I may articulate Sonic read more on Monday and go find Bins in Pokemon so I can actually talk about it). But hiplop's a good starting point I think. I kinda feel if you are going to craft a scum case you should have read the thread and passed basic comprehension tests like which wagon the person you are scumreading voted on and when, not get them mixed up with completely different people, you know?

How can you be town glue if you voted and unvoted out of nearly every wagon?

[Tere]

Hardly every wagon (read my response or my ISO rather than relying on hiplop's misinterpretation k thanks). And yeah, I get better at pulling town together when I have strong town reads. I have a really strong don't lynch this ever read in ika and decent reads in peeps like Ank, and possibly Shakira (I can't read Marquis but flum's been looking really good for me lately). I don't feel in that kinda zone in this game yet really *shrug* need to look at it properly Monday.

[Antihero]

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Vote Count 1.11

Bins - 3 (Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, Lying Cat)
Cerberus v666 - 1 (Flubbernugget)
hiplop - 5 (Sonic Boom, vezokpiraka, Mac, Tere, ZZZX)
Sonic Boom - 3 (mastin2, Ankamius, Sharkira Confirmed)
Tere - 1 (hiplop)

Not Voting: Bins, Cerberus v666, ika, Kari

mastin2 is LA until June 16th.

9 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-17 23:00:25)

[hiplop]

Anyone else not liking ZZZX?

he just said that he really was intrigued by a case I made and then just now said "oh yeah i thought you were scum the whole time"

[ZZZX]

^ scumclaim

Explain, you peaked my curiosity.

"i can't possibly be scum because i never get lynched as scum, oh yeah i just jumped off your wagon but i uh totally still think youre scum"

what he just said. if that isn't blatant new scum falling to the pressure of a vote, i dont know what is.

Correct me if I am wrong but did tere not say that he is hard to lynch as

town

if he chooses to be?

Also the kind of semi-passive semi-agressive stance of tere is giving me the creeps. Expecting more action from town tere. You can say its a gut feeling that tells me Tere is not to be trusted. Not hard enough to scum read Tere tho.

Hey Z, you wanna clarify this "passive aggressive semi aggressive"stance thing that's creeping you out?

Let me sum it in hte most simple (which is somewhat not the most accurate) way.

Opportunistic play not taking risks until I feel those risks do not really have that much town intent behind them.

ehh, hiplop's the first strong scumfeels I have, scumreading isn't my strong suit, I am better at being town glue. I am still worrying about sonic and bins though (I may articulate Sonic read more on Monday and go find Bins in Pokemon so I can actually talk about it). But hiplop's a good starting point I think. I kinda feel if you are going to craft a scum case you should have read the thread and passed basic comprehension tests like which wagon the person you are scumreading voted on and when, not get them mixed up with completely different people, you know?

How can you be town glue if you voted and unvoted out of nearly every wagon?

also @Tere you talked about a topic totally differnt from what i talked about. I will simplify it even further later.

[ZZZX]

Anyone else not liking ZZZX?

he just said that he really was intrigued by a case I made and then just now said "oh yeah i thought you were scum the whole time"

Scumreading you doesnt mean that you cant be town and be making a case, Or be scum and make an aweasom case, Or perhaps bus and make a case on a partner.

Your play is scummy. your case held logic (i dont even remeber which case but I remeber something like that) anyway I am off to sleep now. BBye

[Tere]

Zzthing wrote:

"also @Tere you talked about a topic totally differnt from what i talked about. I will simplify it even further later."

Well given I know I'm town per role PM I dunno what else to say to you really. I can be terribly indecisive until I get a decent scumvibe, this is fairly typical wibbling for me. I'll probably put a reads list together now I've spreadsheeted up to get my head in order.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: hiplop

cherry-picked case on tere is awful

[Tere]

OK, time for a state of the Tere and reads and shit. I'm feeling a bit disengaged from the game at the mo, not too happy with my reads, they feel a bit flaccid somehow. Let's try and sort you bunch of scumlords.

Strong town.

Tere
ika - nothing has changed from my read at 328

Leaning town:

Ankiamus - solid ISO - I liked his reach out to get engagement in 910 and his cranky pushback on Sonic Boom's case on him.
Lying Cat - get well soon Jingle! Not been here much but I've liked the posts I've seen e.g. 942 and the PSA on inventoring.

Jaqen - I like Jaqen's ISO - not sure why people are scumreading him. Liked his wall re Bins.

(less ordered below here)

Mac - Mac can be town for now, the snark looks genuine but I will be keeping a close eye on him as a point of principle!
Shakira - mainly from Flum's ISO I think - I should probably go reread to confirm but I think town
Flubbernugget - minimalistic ISO but looks like snarktown to me, there's figuring out going on in his ISO
Vezok - another member of snarktown - IIRC he was town in Signs and Void (mock me if I'm wrong and I will go reread) and he feels similar to there to me.
Zzthing - the freeness of his reads and his reaction to Metal's push gave me townfeels.

Null:

Cerb 666 - Cerb has a wordy style that bugs me but I've gone and poked through his off game ISOs and it's sort of his style there too. I got a very slight lean to it being more his scum style than his town style there but to be honest the format is so different (small quickish timed games) that it's probably comparing apples to oranges. I am worried he's being used as lynchbait a bit.

Wickedest - I just reread his ISO again and there's not much of substance there. A bit worried about that.

Don't want to lynch today:

Mastin2 - although it feels like she's turned up, said something cryptic and not been about much there's been a few flashes of town in her posts for me and there's not really any point in sorting her until she's back from finals. I am hoping people with more experience with mastin can sort her because I suspect I can't :/

Sonic Boom -

Spoiler: this got long, sorry!

Relevant info - I have just finished a game with Metal and Mac as part of the scumteam in Pokemon U-Pick. I won't lie, I feel there have been a few scummy bits in their ISO. I was unhappy with Metal scumreading then townreading Ank in the same damn phone post at 474, and it also felt like he was trying to discredit my ika read a bit in the same post. 551 also doesn't answer my concerns about there being two reads in the one post and has an AtE that felt a bit icky. What also set my scumdar off was he then immediately engaged in the "ZXXX is scum all aboard the train" routine that lasted a couple of pages. I am just worried that was scum Metal noticing I'd noticed he'd not answered the question and then going "fuck Tere saw a scumslip DISTRACT DISTRACT DISTRACT". Apart from that Metal is null to me. He's more subdued than in Pokemon but that could be either the effect of the hydra or, if scum, an attempt to change meta from the trolling obvscum Mac and I saw in Pokemon.

My main concern with Titus is that even after reading Uncouth Mafia as she suggested I cannot for the life of me understand why she is scumreading ika here - he is reaching out and engaging and IMO the play is completely different from his play in Uncouth. It's just weird to me. I've played with and observed ika in a few scum games now and his town game is hugely different from his scum game IMO. I just don't see it.

However, I am now feeling better about them at least in part because my primary scumread attempted a plop vote on their wagon, plus I think I've seen a couple of reach outs from Titus that sort of look town. Given Titus is as far as I can tell from self references and others reactions to her much better at late game, I think it's worth taking them off the table for today. They aren't cleared for sure, but I don't want to lynch them today.

Needs to fucking post:

Kari - Kari and Flames have between them posted almost zero content. Flames can lurk like a mofo as town so I wasn't too worried about him but this slot needs to do something towny soon or eat rope now there's a replacement.

Prepared to lynch today:

Bins: The only thing I can talk about is Bins' performance as town in Pokemon with GIF (DFC_Etna) but she feels a lot more constricted and less free here. It's funny she says to me she's going to tryhard here because that's almost the opposite feeling from what I have! Bins is weirding me out.

hiplop~: Hasn't been reading from the start. Icky ISO. Horrible ploppy vote on Sonic. Horrible case full of misrep on me that reeks of defensive opportunism on what looks like a newbie slot after coming under some lynch pressure. It's just uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrgh. I may have to go find the disgusted Queen image just for hiplop.

[Tere]

VOTE: hiplop

cherry-picked case on tere is awful

991 reeks of "oops that wagon didn't work, best find another one" to me as well.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, do things and make people noises, or I might forget you're here, although you already seem to have started on that.

I hear ya. Admittedly, I'm struggling to read most of the people here. For instance, I had town reads on Sonic

and

everybody on their wagon that you quoted. It's not impossible for them all to be town, but I think it's unlikely which means I'm probably wrong about someone.

I need to start meta'ing people - that helped me a lot in Organic, should help me a lot here as well. Won't happen today, but I'll hopefully get working on it tomorrow.

[Tere]

I am also noting that hiplop didn't join the Sonic and Bins counterwagons, but instead tried to manufacture a completely new one. Useful data if hiplop flips scum.

Wicked, I'd love you to do a reread and so on and hear your thoughts!