Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 2.13

Bookitty (4)

- Cho, Plum, Fro99er, dragonspawn

[L-2]

ZZZX (2)

- Hydrangea, Grib

Cho (1)

- ika

Plum (1)

- ZZZX
Bellaphant -
dragonspawn -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Tere -


Not Voting (3): Bellaphant, Bookitty, Tere

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-06-13 19:30:19)

, or June 13th, 6:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[ika]

cho it madates an outside killing source, it does not madate it bign a vig.

its getting irritating to use your vig claim to be here

[ika]

cho it madates an outside killing source, it does not madate it bign a vig.

its getting irritating to use your vig claim to be here

[ika]

well actualy it doesnt madate an outside killing source at all if we really wanted to get smaticy. but thats just me now being a dicka bout it

[Fro99er]

Ugh. I'm feeling less easy about this Boo thing. Cho and Plum were the initial Boo voters, two people I feel uneasy about already, voting someone else I feel uneasy about. Then there's ZZZX, who I'm townreading thanks to dragonspawn and Cho, but who Boo slightly pushed (but not really), and who Plum voted earlier (and ZZZX voted Plum). It's all a mess.

I think I have to stick with Boo, for doing the least scumhunting, as well as some contradictory things. Just know I'm not too thrilled about this situation. It's all clear as mud.

But...we still have three days. People, let's try to be a little less apathetic about this game. D1 is done. The fighting is done. Let's have some fun playing this game!

[Fro99er]

well actualy it doesnt madate an outside killing source at all if we really wanted to get smaticy. but thats just me now being a dicka bout it

You're just being truthful.

I'm still super uncomfortable with the Chokari slot.

[Cho]

cho it madates an outside killing source, it does not madate it bign a vig.

its getting irritating to use your vig claim to be here

first you guys say i may not be sk but i could still be mafia because mafia could still claim vig

then it's i may not be mafia but i could still be sk because i could still be an other killing role

i'm going to lose my fucking mind

[Cho]

and not in a "this makes me mad" way but in a "melt away my brain cell by cell" way

[Fro99er]

I mean. If there were another vig, you'd have likely been CC'd if my theory is correct (still learning). I don't see why there'd be two town vig's in this setup. You weren't CC'd. So either there's no town vig or you are the vig. Plain and simple.

(someone please absolutely step in if my theory is wrong, but assuming it's right...) It's all speculation about the setup and WIFOM from there.

[Cho]

It's pretty much proven by setup spec now that can't be either mafia (mafia bulletproof possibility + no other killing role claim/counterclaim (yukari/i'd have been vigged n1 if someone else was the vig)), otherscum (lack of otherscum presence in the semi-open aspect and lack of second nightkill), or sk (mafia bulletproof possibility would destroy sk's chances at winning, a strongman sk would make mafia bulletproof pointless, only killing role that justifies mafia bp is a town vig/vengeful, this game was passed by a highly experienced 3-person team, etc.)

At this point it just feels like everyone just doesn't want to admit Yukari was actually fucking town after all and/or scum is taking advantage of the paranoia and town's reluctance to listen to sound logic.

[Cho]

I mean. If there were another vig, you'd have likely been CC'd if my theory is correct (still learning). I don't see why there'd be two town vig's in this setup. You weren't CC'd. So either there's no town vig or you are the vig. Plain and simple.

(someone please absolutely step in if my theory is wrong, but assuming it's right...) It's all speculation about the setup and WIFOM from there.

Yes, this is accurate. It all comes down to how much the mod wanted to fuck with assumptions regarding the Mafia BP setup possibility.

But then just looking at scum motivation to claim vig: if Mafia knew there was a Bulletproof, why would they claim vig at all, especially unprompted on Day 1? Why would SK claim Vig on Day 1 and risk getting cross-shot by Mafia and force themselves to be held accountable for every single one of their shots (they can't just shoot people who suspect them, they'll be forced to shoot "scumreads" or universal scumreads and that would have again made no sense for Yukari to do Day 1).

[Fro99er]

if Mafia knew there was a Bulletproof, why would they claim vig at all

Are you asking us to believe Yukari thought logically?

[Fro99er]

I mean, I don't want to vote you right now. I'm just saying, I'm not convinced yet. It's still all a CF around Cho/Boo/Plum/ZZZX IMO.

[Cho]

I'm asking you to believe scum doesn't play suicidally for the sole purpose of lynching one scumread on Day 1.

Hate on them all you want, but characterizing Yukari as some blind scum idiot like everyone seems to enjoy doing is pretty unjust.

[Fro99er]

if Mafia knew there was a Bulletproof, why would they claim vig at all, especially unprompted on Day 1?

Why would town claim vig unprompted?

[Fro99er]

I'm asking you to believe scum doesn't play suicidally for the sole purpose of lynching one scumread on Day 1.

Hate on them all you want, but characterizing Yukari as some blind scum idiot like everyone seems to enjoy doing is pretty unjust.

I'm not characterizing Yukari as some blind scum idiot. Idiot? Possibly. Scum idiot. I don't know.

I said I'm unsure. I was more sure earlier until you started put a halfway decent defense up for that slot.

[ika]

if Mafia knew there was a Bulletproof, why would they claim vig at all, especially unprompted on Day 1?

Why would town claim vig unprompted?

stupidity and newb?

[Fro99er]

There you go, ika. That's why I've started to lean town instead of scum on that slot. I said I'm not convinced. That's why I'm prying and asking, to see if Cho's points make sense.

[ika]

also at cho: i can easily see it being there for the argument of using vig as a fakeclaim.

like i can boil it down to modgameming/outguess mod but i will admit its stretching. but im not going ot push it.

im just more questioning vig vs BP+RB in general

[ika]

well hes right in the sense that its going to backlash ank if he goes "lol BP no vig/sk" (at least from me) but im just staing that acting like you being an unproven vig to make yourself confirmed town is shit.

[ika]

or to clairfy: chos logic is sound, but it falls short on sevral aspects that are debatable

[Fro99er]

or to clairfy: chos logic is sound, but it falls short on sevral aspects that are debatable

Agree

[Fro99er]

That's exactly where my mind is at right now.

[Cho]

im just more questioning vig vs BP+RB in general

Me too.

The one problem I have with my Frogger townread is mollie's replace out. I could easily see it as partially coming from the mollie that hates being scum because it also felt... weird and unprompted. But then idk because that slot's been so fucking town to me. :/

[ika]

oh btw cho, if your not proven tongiht im going full out lynch you

i can see rber existing only if its x-shot