League of Legends (Old)

[animorpherv1]

if it's just removing ranks on her R and making QWE levelable 6 times (just like Jayce) then I will not riot

They confirmed it's not.

But seriously, do you want Elise to be Jayce? I don't.

[FakeGod]

What do you mean, "wanting Elise to be Jayce"?

[Iecerint]

In Jayce's case, there's currently a big newbtrap where players were leveling his R at the normal times. You can see it on champion.gg.

Elise doesn't have that.

[FakeGod]

People level R on Elise?????

[Iecerint]

People level R on Elise?????

Yep.

[Iecerint]

Compare to Jayce.

[FakeGod]

My mind is blown.

Leveling Elise R gives her extra 10 on-hit dmg in spider form and an extra spiderling.

That's like, literally nothing, when you compare it to hard maxing w or e second.

[Iecerint]

I dunno much about Elise, but what you're saying makes sense, especially in Cinderhulk meta where her spiderlings all explode.

[FakeGod]

Spiderlings really only matter in jungle where they tank the creeps for you, and when you are running away and using them as skillshot absorbers.

I've been hard maxing W second since I just started Elise and levels on W stabilizes her jungle clears, but I've been meaning to move on to maxing E second for the longer cd on her stun.

Maxing R seems like a huge noobtrap.

[animorpherv1]

Elise is a mage-assassin-tank who's TERRIBLE at all three of those jobs.

Elise fails when built full AP (mage/assassin) often because she has to jump into melee range to finish off targets, she's very squishy, and lacks a reliably escape (as rappel requires neutral camps to "escape" with). She goes in, kills one person (thanks to the dps her spiderlings put out), then dies. Meanwhile, leblanc can 100-0 squishies and get out, so she can participate later.

Elise fails when built full tank because a tank's job is to disrupt the enemy team through CC and be enough of a threat so they have to be focused. Elise cannot disrupt an enemy team and does not have enough base damage on her kit to be a threat without AP. Her lategame becomes "stun-bot which can miss her stun").

Elise fails when built a mix between the two because she proceeds to do all of the above in a mediorce way.

[Glork]

Leveling Elise R gives her extra 10 on-hit dmg in spider form and an extra spiderling.

No, her spiderlings also do more damage per rank. Her spiderlings also scale with 30% AP, just like Elise herself does. So it's actually a pretty sizeable DPS increase. They also get increased Armor and MR per rank.

[Iecerint]

Leveling Elise R gives her extra 10 on-hit dmg in spider form and an extra spiderling.

No, her spiderlings also do more damage per rank. Her spiderlings also scale with 30% AP, just like Elise herself does. So it's actually a pretty sizeable DPS increase. They also get increased Armor and MR per rank.

I think her spiderlings just get stronger with ranks in W?

Also yay mafiatigers.

[Glork]

Nope.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Elise#Pets
(EDIT: The four values correspond to each of the four ranks in R.)

[Iecerint]

Ah, at the bottom.

It's confusing that that's not in her description for R.

[Iecerint]

Still marginal if there's lots of passive AoE tho. I've read people suggest that that's what kept the anti-tank assassin thing from becoming meta during Cinderhulk (damage nerfs aside).

[Glork]

Yeah, it's not apparent to anyone but Elise players.

[FakeGod]

Ok, I'm going to max R and see if that improves her.

I only started Elise like 3 days ago, and I liked what I've been seeing.

[Glork]

She's really, really, really, really awful right now. Lowest win rate of any jungler, and she isn't viable in mid or top right now. And other supports do everything better.

EDIT: Anyway, expect to see some minor kit changes (maybe spider form W?) and some numbers changes for now. Possibly an actual base damage on one or both Q abiltiies. And ricklessabandon referred to her as a "puzzle" that will definitely not be solved by this iteration of changes to her.

[animorpherv1]

I only started Elise like 3 days ago, and I liked what I've been seeing.

That's great! Learning new champions is always amazing, and even if you don't keep them in your pool forever, you'll learn how to deal with them.

However

, don't go on a giant bitchfest like your favourite champion has just been gutted when

every single semi-rework has been AMAZING for the champion

. For that matter, don't go haywire period. It's fine to state why you dislike. However, shit like this:

NOOOOOOOOO WHY

Just feels like entitlement and that Riot has to do what you want them to. I honestly think the last rework to completely fail on it's intended purpose was 4.2 Skarner. Everything else since I'd call at least a moderate success.

[Psyche]

It's okay for people to be a little faux-histrionic sometimes about a game, right?

[Glork]

Oh man, that Skarner rework. So depressing, and I don't even play Skarner.

[Iecerint]

I liked Fakegod's silly post.

[quadz08]

Oh man, that Skarner rework. So depressing, and I don't even play Skarner.

yuuuup

he's basically just warwick except no survivability (i.e., completely terrible)

[ActionDan]

game is hard

[ActionDan]

but dota is harder