Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Shakira Confirmed]

Also, rereading my posts, I may have sounded harsher than I intended towards Mastin. Sorry if it came out unpleasant.

[Mac]

my two scents on mastin:

probtown for now, but i'd love for her to go into more detail on her read on me. < in anything goes, mastin townread me strongly until day 5/6 and managed to mislynch me despite the fact i was confirmed as not doing the kill.

that also still remains one of the most frustrating yet incredible (in terms of how mastin and katsuki won that game) plays i've seen on site.

[Mac]

i'm wary of mastin, to sum up the purpose of that post.

[mastin2]

Mastin is not sonic's favorite brand names

Well I can understand not being THE favorite, but not being *a* favorite, I can't.

[mastin2]

I've read all of mastin's posts

and I'm not sure who she's scumreading. Although she's townreading half the game. Can you post a reads list mastin?

Liar.

It's pretty abundantly clear who I'm scumreading, especially since I've multiple times hammered it in. The readslist I already made in particular.

I just find it funny how she says she's the most useful player to the town when she doesn't do anything but buddy a couple people, do a bunch of gambits that don't accomplish anything, and scum read at least one person who is town.

Normally I'd have some sort of better response here. But this is just so wrong that there's literally nothing that can convey my thoughts more than that emote.

Mastin- just because someone who knows you doesn't take your word on reads doesn't mean they're scum. I don't always trust you.

But it's the WAY in which it's done which is so concerning. If I say I have a strong townread on someone, let's say 80-95%, then disagreeing is not impossible, but it's something worth having a long discussion about--not flagrantly ignoring mind you, but having a talk about. If I have a read which is 96-100%, then even the talk shouldn't happen; it should just be an, "Okay, Mastin, if you're wrong, this one's on you" thing. The only case where it'd be okay to blatantly ignore my read is if the read is weak...and even THEN doing so is not ideal; there should instead be them trying to persuade me I'm wrong.

Again. None of this happened.

Also, I'm roughly 80% on Sonic and Z not being scumbuddies, so I think they deserve a reread.

Well I have ZX as town, so.

[ZZZX]

Feeling good about LC

Wicked is town.

this is basically the tl;dr of what changed in my reads after reading as I am busy but I can explain why later on if you guys want .

[mastin2]

Just the fact that you have to tell her that people not instantly sheeping her reads is not a scum tell makes me bang my head.

Big gigantic misrep of the whole situation.

Also, Lying Cat is wrong. I'm not sthar8. Nor am I Majiffy. I can and have worked well with them. There was a point in time when I could perfectly synch up with Majiffy if we shared the same alignment in a game, and Lying Cat is no slouch in working with me either (as shown by us having basically the same reads/reasoning this game). But I am not them. Nor am I mollie, who I also once worked well with. Nor am I Nacho, who was the first person I hydraed with to the point where I at one time could make a picture-perfect imitation of his posting, confusing people as to which head had posted. Nor am I AP, the poster closest to being me at many times throughout our career. Nor am I ETL, who I helped teach. I'm CERTAINLY not Bulbazak, nor a player like F-16.

I am me. I mean, everyone is their own person, but nobody is moreso than me, being me. Literally. nobody. else. Changes as much as I do. (The closest player to being me? DrippingGoofBall, with all the bad and good that comes with it. Alternates between spamposting and wallposting, mistress of VCA, arrogance, humbleness, crazy, charismatic, wildly inconsistent, you get the idea. So if you want to get a handle on my alignment, go read a DGB game or ten.) Tells for other players don't work on me, though vice-versa isn't always the case. (Basically, a tell which works on me can and will work on others; there's a reason I use things

I

would do as scum as a metric to read others, because I know that I have an A+ scumgame that is in top-form. A tell which works on others doesn't work on me, though, because I've outgrown such weaknesses, such limitations, in my game.) Heck, a good 90% of the "tells" people THINK work on me don't, and have been proven many times why not. (For instance, the lurking = scum tell has caused my death a great many number of games...with one of them being scum, yes, but dozens of them being town. For every scumgame I lurked, ten towngames with lurking exist, because lurking is a real-life tell, not an alignment-tell; if I am lurking, it means things aren't going well in my life and I'm busy. I could go into a great many deal of links to previous games of mine to demonstrate why this is so. It's a trend that existed back in the days of Mastin, continued into the early days of mastin2, and exists to this day as me. So in any point in time, I can show it.)

The townread is correct, but his reasoning is almost certainly wrong.

[Ankamius]

Mastin: If there's a small part of the game that I should go back and reread, what would it be?

[mastin2]

She can't beat me.

Maybe not by official records, but I still claim the moral victory for the first Antihero game where I nailed your entire scumteam. (Shame I was a mason so my death wasn't noteworthy.)

Here, she's refusing to provide anything that resembles a fully fleshed out read.

Really now? I'm pretty sure I've explicitly said why I've held my stances this game, on both town and scum.

With one or two exceptions, of course, but mostly it's there.

She is refusing to get on Hiplop for no reason. She thinks his posts are terrible but refuses to vote.

Yep! Blatantly so!

That town game from Mastin looks just as awful in that game as this one. She seemed to be just as wrong in that one too.

Yup, confirmation that you didn't pay attention to that game at all. I scumread ika, Shaft, PeregrineV, vonflare/theamateur, Marquis (note that if the town had listened to me we would have had a perfect victory by lynching Marquis), and slightly Aeronaut. Plus 4nxi3ty (a 3p, but not harmful like Marquis/Aeronaut). The only scum I didn't scumread was Flubber, but he was a nullread not a townread.

My reads were god-tiered that game.
I'd happily accept a repeat performance of THAT game here.
(Thing is, though, that

was

the exception to the rule. I'm normally not

that

good. If I was, you'd be seeing me nomed for a best scumhunter scummie, yet here I am without one because nope, not a scumhunting god. That game shows what I CAN be. It is an absolutely horrible representation though of what I AM. That's a mediocre scumhunter: I get good reads, especially if I say explicitly that they are to be followed. I also get bad reads, reads which I typically don't push that hard because I don't have absolute belief in them. Sometimes it's higher, with a great amount of accuracy save for a few faults. Often, it's lower, with a few good things worth listening to but having gotten off-track. If I was consistently that good, then the game would be much easier for me. But I'm not. So I make do with what I've got.
...Still nail scum more often than not, though.)

If she's made herself a reputation of being super arrogant, she's obviously going to act the same way as scum.

Fun fact: I'm not actually that arrogant. I get delusions of grandeur, but I fully recognize them as delusions of grandeur, dreams of being the scumhunting god I know I am not. For the most part, I actually don't hold much confidence in my abilities. However, that means that the few times that I DO hold confidence, the few times I DO push things hard, I expect to be listened to, ESPECIALLY by those who know me well. (Thus, the Sonic Boom doubt, because both of them should recognize this. There was zero arrogance in MOST of my reads...but the confidence I got in some of them shouldn't have been ignored.)

Fun fact #2, though, you're actually right on this one: as scum, it's ridiculously easy for me to hide behind arrogance, but I hate arrogance with an absolute passion. You might see it in my posting, but that's because you haven't seen what my actual arrogance looks like. "Oh, yeah, they're scum" is basically the worst I've done this game, and if you think that's arrogance...you've got another thing coming for you later.

[Lying Cat]

Heh. That's almost exactly what sthar8 said. And then I explained what I meant and the tell and why it works. And he agrees with me.

[mastin2]

From what I knew of Mastin outside this game, she always struck me as humble, maybe a little self deprecating even. This seems so fake that I can't fathom a genuine thought process behind this.

Your impression is correct. I am humble, even self-deprecating.

But if you think 534 is arrogance?

I don't know what to say other than, lol.

I meant it when I said: not arrogance. experience. Arrogance is thinking that I'm infallible, that there's no way that I could be wrong, with no prior experience to back that up, no knowledge, no wisdom, that shows what I'm saying. Experience is knowing I could be wrong...but all the circumstances off of my prior experience are telling me, through my collective knowledge and wisdom, that what I'm saying is most likely true.

[mastin2]

*Clarification on the arrogance thing. Me not being arrogant only applies to my towngame. I am, 100%, absolutely, arrogant about the quality of my scumgame, for dang-good reason. Mac said it himself on this page as to why. I've pulled some incredible feats of amazing scumplay. Anything Goes, Left 4 Dead (I hardbussed all my buddies and them me and each other...but JUST soft enough that none of us would be lynched, then on D2 when I saw a guilty on me unclaimed from Molla but clearly existing I claimed scum in-thread to troll and throw the validity of said guilty into question, ultimately culminating in a free mislynch down the road and us being able to kill the unprotected cop), Attack on Titan (don't let the townwin fool you; all three scum were the three leading wagons D1 when I came in, and I managed to entirely reverse that around), Paranoia (where I had to deal with a modified mafia usurper [GreyICE, no less! With AP, yes, THAT AP, hunting me!] with ME as the target, all the while ALSO dealing with the town...and won), and other such things. When I am scum, I basically own the game. So I'm quite proud of my scumgame and will talk with extreme arrogance about it, but it's justified arrogance because I've EARNED that respect. (I may have not won, but I've once or twice been nominated for Don Corelone for good reason.) So while I'm not arrogant as town, and generally am not arrogant as scum (because I despise that tactic--it's so pathetically easy to make work it's laughable), I do TALK about my scumgame with arrogance.

Mastin: If there's a small part of the game that I should go back and reread, what would it be?

I dunno, don't really have any.

Maybe 30-40? I seemed to have a lot of content in there when I was catching up.

You can never go wrong with rereading the RVS, though, so 1-10 might be a good idea.

[Lying Cat]

Nah, mastin. There's definitely arrogance. Deserved arrogance, perhaps, but arrogance nonetheless. You just temper it with low self esteem. But its okay, we love you anyway.

But the thought that you can be good enough to have 100% reads that can never be wrong on d1.

[mastin2]

Well I've done it before and it served me well.

notscience in the second Antihero game being a good example of one I just kinda ~got~ and if I hadn't let go of would have let us win.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Marq, I need your help dealing with this one.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Marq un-lazying and un-lurking.

Marq reading... ;/

[Shakira Confirmed]

My hero <3

[Shakira Confirmed]

Oh is this another one of those times where Mastin overstates her influence/accuracy?

Hm.

She really overreacted near gamestart too. If it was just this I'd think "oh, typical Mastin being Mastin" - but... it's weird that she seems to be stuck on this ego trip then and even now.

Instinctive reaction is that this is scum!Mastin trying to emulate her recent town tendencies to praise/publicly crave for her scumgame, as well as brag about herself as town in the past which is why we should all be following her and recognizing her One True Readslist... except here it feels like she's overdoing it, even for herself.

Would vote if I didn't think Sonic Boom was still the best wagon.

I also feel like this is going to be like the first Antichem game, where I correctly call Sonic-scum all game relentlessly but don't do so well on my delivery of reason because a lot of it's meta and tonereading that other people don't like to hear about because it's not Proper Scumhunting.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Instinctively read hiplop's last two posts last page as town. Second thought is that they're null probably. idk.

[Lying Cat]

Hence the deserved bit.

[Sonic Boom]

@Lying Cat/Mastina, Why am I supposed to belive Mastina being OMG super right when I threw her off the majority of Signs and Void? Why shouldn't I think that one of you two is scum and buddying the other?

@Mastina, Yeah, I get it, you lurk because real life. Irrelevant. If I see you avoiding this thread, I start to think scum. Can you stop with the diattribes? Until you give me a reason why you're not voting hiplop, I'm presuming you're buddies with hiplop.

Oh and ika's gone again.

~Titus

[mastin2]

@Lying Cat/Mastina, Why am I supposed to belive Mastina being OMG super right when I threw her off the majority of Signs and Void?

Because you didn't. You'd have the proof if we decide to release our PT. The townread on you was initially mainly because of needing an ally as I told pie, and then grew into frustration. I didn't townread you off of you, I townread you because I was frustrated at others ignoring me.

@Mastina, Yeah, I get it, you lurk because real life. Irrelevant. If I see you avoiding this thread, I start to think scum.

The two are one and the same. I lurk because of real-life. I avoid the thread yet post elsewhere as part of that. It's how my mind works. Period. When I said this was proven countless times...really do mean it, countless times. The first game, Organic Chemistry, in particular. I was so involved with Tales that I neglected that. People

thought

it was a scumtell, but it wasn't. It was me prioritizing very, very poorly because that's how my mind works.

I come to games when I come to games.
When I come to a game has no relevance on my alignment in the game.

Until you give me a reason why you're not voting hiplop, I'm presuming you're buddies with hiplop.

And I'll continue calling you scum for it. I'm not voting hiplop because in spite of seeing how bad he looks, it looks scummy yet I don't feel he's actually scum. Go brush up on my theory if you don't understand what the distinction means for me.

[Sonic Boom]

@Mastina, If you're posting in other threads but not here, I think you're scum avoiding the thread. Universal lurking, I don't factor in.

So basically, you're telling me I should excuse what is objectively bad play because it fits with your meta and your theory of yourself? And you're scumreading me for that?

Hahaha. You know my stance on meta better than anyone.

~Titus

[mastin2]

Basically?

Yes.

The text-based adventure in my signature I keep putting off because I always fear coming back to it. Mindstate.
Half-way through the speakeasy poll, I avoided reading it at one point because I was too busy and there were a number of pages. I posted in other speakeasy threads that were faster to do, and came back when I had the time. Mindstate.
I have alts that I sometimes neglect because there's too much work to do between them AND my main, so they get at risk of being prodded. Mindstate.
I post elsewhere but not here because I make the determination that either (1) I have enough time so I can do the game whenever I feel like it, or (2) I don't have enough time so I'll do things that I DO have time for so that next time I come there's less work to do. Mindstate.

Is it a good mindstate, no, but is it how I think?
Yes.

If you haven't figured that out by playing with me by now...then you really don't know me at all. Because, duh...it's there everywhere in my posting?

[Sonic Boom]

@Mastina, I don't excuse anti-town play because it's your mindstate. I can excuse faulty logic, irrational beliefs, I'm not going to follow your reads when you don't explain them and they are logically bad. You stating mindstate is the first thing I agree with. I just don't see any town coming from vote parking us all game, not reading, not having solid reads, not acting consistently with how you're feeling and then pushing those who highlight this.

You've told me that you've detailed your reads, when I said you haven't. Show me a detailed reading that's more than someone disagreeing with you. I don't think you're the mighty Lord and Savior ika does.