Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Fro99er]

I also guess if Hydrangea flips town, we'd have to suspect one or both of Grib and Cho. But I seeerrrriiioouuuusssllllyyyy doubt this is the case. I also don't care to pick one or the other (or both) of Grib/Cho until there is a flip, because I think we're on the right track.

I agree, we should not hammer until we hear from Hydrangea. Especially given we didn't hear from them before the Bookitty lynch.

[ika]

how about we dont l-1 so they can self hamemr?

like im not that dumb grib

[Grib]

I know.

[ika]

I know.

yet you are telling me not to hammer if they go to l-1....

anyways need to revise setup sepc

[ika]

Spoiler: random setup speculations

Pool 1:

1) 2-shot Tracker

2) 2-shot Voyeur
3) Vanilla Townie

4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

Pool 2:

1) 2-shot Doctor

3) 2-shot Voyeur

4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:

2) 2-shot Doctor

3) Vanilla Townie

4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 4:

1) 2-shot Tracker

4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

this is the setup from our pool. i dont see them shooting plume unless rolecopped. i need to revise POE and see what the pool is narrowed to atm cus with plume gone the POE is easy

[ika]

ok we just vig dragon and lynch ZZZX after hydra. if one of them isnt final scum then i will be doing a lot of revising

[ika]

games done, im done here also

[dragonspawn]

So Cho didn't visit anyone night one?

Interesting. Hydra seems like a good lynch then.

I'd like yo see hydra respond though.

[Fro99er]

i dont see them shooting plume unless rolecopped.

I'll be the newbie who asks why...why?

[ika]

i dont see them shooting plume unless rolecopped.

I'll be the newbie who asks why...why?

seeing how plume was under heavy fire yesterday, and how the gamestate went down. do you think with all the shades thrown on plume that if plume was to be VT that she would of been easy to push as a lynch?

[Fro99er]

Ok, makes sense.

So who was pushing plum yesterday? I know myself, ZZZX, and Tere did at some point or another. I'd have to go back and read through D2 (ugh) to figure out who else was.

[Grib]

I'd lynch Bella over ZZZX.

[Fro99er]

@Mod: I am officially on V/LA from Monday through Thursday (6/18) because of all day work meetings but I will try to respond in the evenings anyway. Except Tuesday evening. USA women's world cup (GO USA!)

[ika]

I'd lynch Bella over ZZZX.

i enjoy bella, i rather have drag viged and lynch ZX first.

bella would be next though if its not over after them

[Grib]

Yeah, well, I enjoy lynching scum.

[ika]

Yeah, well, I enjoy lynching scum.

i know. i do too.

but does it make a diffrence on who gets lynched first? i mean do you agree on the vig shot at least?

[Grib]

It depends on how many vig shots Cho has.

But yeah, hopefully Hydrangea flips Roleblocker, and Cho can shoot [Bella/dragon/ZZZX].

[ika]

can we leave bella out of vig pool for sake of my motivation? the fact mollie already left kinda made me shitty and to be frank, the gamestae hasnt made me feel better (yes even given we have 2 scums right now) and right now bella being here is kinda what keeps me playing atm

[Cho]

I believe Grib. Just wish

Yes, I did try to shoot last night.

It'll be kind of funny if both Frogger and my target last night are both town. Otherwise scum probably just tied the noose tighter for themselves, twice.

Waiting on the 18th I guess.

[Cho]

Just wish he had waited to claim by just saying something like "I have a role related reason to wait until everyone's commented", or at least trying something to get stuff out of Hydrangea before she knew she'd been caught (i.e., claiming to be a Voyeur who targeted me and got a "Cho was roleblocked/manipulated" result, and seeing how Hydra reacted to that).

(This is me saying I believe she's scum, yes.)

[Tere]

Yeah, intent to vote Hydrangea here too.

I believe Bella is town btw, her interactions with ika yesterday were really good. Final scum in Z and dragon I think.

[dragonspawn]

So what happens if hydra flips town?

[dragonspawn]

I know I haven't been invested in this game much. But if I was scum, why would I jump on bookittys wagon instead of pushing plum? Especially if ika is right and the scum have a role cop.

If hydra is a role blocker and I was scum wouldn't that make me the role cop? So wouldn't I know plum was a voyeur? So wouldn't it have been logical for me to push plum yesterday?

So assuming hydra does flip as we are thinking and you kill me and zzzx (who I'm still thinking is town) where do we go next?

[Tere]

From a quick skim of Boo's ISO I am pretty confident she and Yukari / Cho aren't scum together. Mostly she townreads Mollie over and over, with a side order of Plum being town. She townreads Z a little bit before moving to push him almost as a policy lynch before LYLO later. Hydragea is townish at 1430. Neutralish read on Bella at 1480.

The fun and fabulous reads list at 1620 has dragon strong town for no real reason (she didn't really state a strong townread for singer before), Bella and Z in the meh would lynch slot, and Hydrangea in the scum slot with what looks a hell of a lot like "FFS scumbuddy, do something towny!"

From that I think dragon and Hydrangea come out the worst. We know our play today anyway.

[Tere]

Present for everyone else who wants, since I had to go look it up: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur

Off to see if I can find any Plum crumbs.