Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Tere]

OK, based on 1196 and 1339 I think Plum's voyeur target was Frogging Mollie. She's very adamant that Cho / Yukari was either roleblocked or is scum in those two posts.

[Fro99er]

Plums hesitation on sorting me and Cho yesterda makes sense now too

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 3.2

Hydrangea (3)

- Fro99er, Grib, Bellaphant

[L-2]

Bellaphant -
Cho -
dragonspawn -
Fro99er -
Grib -
ika -
Tere -
ZZZX -

Not Voting (6): Cho, dragonspawn, Hydrangea, ika, Tere, ZZZX

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-28 18:00:00), or June 28th, 5:00PM CST (GMT-6).

Hydrangea is V/LA until June 18th.

Fro99er is V/LA until June 18th.

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Fro99er]

can we leave bella out of vig pool for sake of my motivation? the fact mollie already left kinda made me shitty

Aww, Ika. I like you. I'm sorry I'm not as awesome as Mollie, but stay motivated for Froggy!

Also, I'm not on board with lynching Bella right now.

[Fro99er]

(Or having someone vig her)

[Tere]

Yeah, rereading Bella's ISO I am pretty confident she is town. Don't want to sort her today or have her vigged tonight. Would sort dragon and Z before Bella. She's been wary of Boo since Day 1, too.

[ika]

I believe Grib. Just wish

Yes, I did try to shoot last night.

It'll be kind of funny if both Frogger and my target last night are both town. Otherwise scum probably just tied the noose tighter for themselves, twice.

Waiting on the 18th I guess.

yes and im going to be upfront, plz shoot dragon/ZZZX

Just wish he had waited to claim by just saying something like "I have a role related reason to wait until everyone's commented", or at least trying something to get stuff out of Hydrangea before she knew she'd been caught (i.e., claiming to be a Voyeur who targeted me and got a "Cho was roleblocked/manipulated" result, and seeing how Hydra reacted to that).

(This is me saying I believe she's scum, yes.)

i dont think it would do much if he softed role related reasons cus of setup

So what happens if hydra flips town?

we vig grib for lying and then lynch from there

I know I haven't been invested in this game much. But if I was scum, why would I jump on bookittys wagon instead of pushing plum? Especially if ika is right and the scum have a role cop.

If hydra is a role blocker and I was scum wouldn't that make me the role cop? So wouldn't I know plum was a voyeur? So wouldn't it have been logical for me to push plum yesterday?

So assuming hydra does flip as we are thinking and you kill me and zzzx (who I'm still thinking is town) where do we go next?

bella, also if you were rolecop who checked and found voyer it would honestly be easier to just nk the slot due to the fact that we know the setup could have one

[Fro99er]

I'm a little concerned with the lining up of vig's and lynches. I do think we should lynch hydrangea today and discuss who should be vigged tonight. But I'm not sold on one of dragon or ZZZX being scum. I think we should hunt more into their interactions with both boo/hydrangea (assuming hydrangea flips scum) to be sure this is the direction we want to head. Some wagon analysis might be in order as well.

I need to review dragonspawn more closely, yes. I'm poorly still hanging on to a town read of singer in the back of my mind, and shouldn't let that hold me back from digging deeper into dragon.

[ika]

ok then frog lets do it like this:

alive:
1. Bellaphant
2. Cho
3. dragonspawn
5. Grib
7. ika
9. Tere
10. ZZZX

lets say girb gets shot and drgon gets viged to flip vt

1. Bellaphant
2. Cho
7. ika
9. Tere
10. ZZZX

you now have this to chose from (ive excluded you), it cant be cho cus now hes proven vig unles we argue that its scum.

so im going to presume its bella next outside of ZX?

[ika]

if thats the case we are still in most agreement but just not on who should be going first

[Tere]

My town read of Bella is much stronger than my town read of Z. Can't elaborate more at present, sorry!

[dragonspawn]

So what you guys are saying is that you are going to kill zzzx and I and that there is really no point in us continuing to play since we are dead anyway.

I don't see how just killing townies is going to help us win this game. But ill still do what I can still you kill me.

[Fro99er]

if thats the case we are still in most agreement but just not on who should be going first

Correct.

[ika]

So what you guys are saying is that you are going to kill zzzx and I and that there is really no point in us continuing to play since we are dead anyway.

I don't see how just killing townies is going to help us win this game. But ill still do what I can still you kill me.

we are in poe phase, if you have imput to add then add it but right now you have yet to really add anything substantial that would warrent a town read.

i mena most of your questions are pretty direct and stragitfoward too that dont lead to any real scum hunting

pedti: what do you think the order should be then? cus if it has same end results would it matter?

[Fro99er]

So what you guys are saying is that you are going to kill zzzx and I and that there is really no point in us continuing to play since we are dead anyway.

I don't see how just killing townies is going to help us win this game. But ill still do what I can still you kill me.

I'm not on board with lining up lynches beyond lynching Hydrangea tonight.

I think it's fair to give vig reads. Without a roleblocker (presuming that's what Hydrangea flips), Cho will need to pick a target.

But tomorrow lynches, I'd rather wait for flips and night play. It doesn't mean we can't speculate on interactions of Boo/Hydrangea with the rest of town (knowing Boo is scum, and likely Hydrangea is scum).

[Bellaphant]

New plan: don't vig me. If Z is scum, we need to look at the speed wagon of him earlier. It might be worth doing him before dragon, really.

P-edit, hmm.

[Fro99er]

pedti: what do you think the order should be then? cus if it has same end results would it matter?

As of right now

after we lynch hydrangea I'd rather vig ZZZX instead of Dragon.

But I'm not sold on those yet.

Definitely don't want to vig Bella.

I don't want to line up a lynch for tomorrow before seeing flips.

[Bellaphant]

I mainly agree with frogging

[Fro99er]

If Z is scum, we need to look at the speed wagon of him earlier.

This is a good point, but if Z flips town it's going to make you look awfully suspicious.

[Bellaphant]

Then either I'm stupid scum for bringing it up totally unprompted, or I'm town.

[ika]

So what you guys are saying is that you are going to kill zzzx and I and that there is really no point in us continuing to play since we are dead anyway.

I don't see how just killing townies is going to help us win this game. But ill still do what I can still you kill me.

I'm not on board with lining up lynches beyond lynching Hydrangea tonight.

I think it's fair to give vig reads. Without a roleblocker (presuming that's what Hydrangea flips), Cho will need to pick a target.

But tomorrow lynches, I'd rather wait for flips and night play. It doesn't mean we can't speculate on interactions of Boo/Hydrangea with the rest of town (knowing Boo is scum, and likely Hydrangea is scum).

im not exactly lining up lynches. i can see where that is coming form but right now im in POE where i have a set of town reads and i will lynch outside of that bloc and anyone inside it s on a no-lynch list

[ika]

bella frog:

assume hydra is scum, who would you want to see viged and who do you want to see lynched next and why?

i wan to sort this stuff out

[ika]

i feel like we are in agreemtn in general about everything btu the end product so lets sort it out now

[Fro99er]

As of now:

Vig: ZZZX
Lynch: I guess dragon. I think Bella is town. But I will need to evolve this read with more talk today and D4 if I'm not NK'd.

[ika]

As of now:

Vig: ZZZX
Lynch: I guess dragon. I think Bella is town. But I will need to evolve this read with more talk today and D4 if I'm not NK'd.

why would you be nked over someone like grib?

and yes there are reasons why im asking such and obvious question that has an obvious answer