Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[ika]

well i think the universal consent is vig in ZX/dragon and lynch ohter

[Fro99er]

I want to hear what Cho thinks.

Cho was strong townreading ZZZX, and I'm inclined to believe Cho. I still feel like ZZZX and Boo thing was not this weird bussing deal, I really don't. I also didn't like the ramp up of the ZZZX wagon, but I think Hydrangea was the only scum on it. I do not believe Bella L-1'd unannounced as scum.

[Tere]

Yeah, I think the flashwagon was just one of those things.

[ika]

I want to hear what Cho thinks.

Cho was strong townreading ZZZX, and I'm inclined to believe Cho. I still feel like ZZZX and Boo thing was not this weird bussing deal, I really don't. I also didn't like the ramp up of the ZZZX wagon, but I think Hydrangea was the only scum on it. I do not believe Bella L-1'd unannounced as scum.

ill second it on hearing thoughts in general but i am still very for the plan of vig one lynch other. call me instant but as long as we still have that understanding that this is the plan atm im fine with other dicussion, i just dont want diviations at this point in time. we all have a consense here.

[Cho]

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Ank, Plum is still on your "Alive" list. The # is right, though.

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2. Cho
5. Grib

10. ZZZX

7. ika
4. Fro99er

1. Bellaphant

9. Tere
3. dragonspawn

6. Hydrangea

That's where I stand. Bella down is where I'm vigging. I'm not shooting ZZZX. I'm not lynching ZZZX.

Also, in case anyone missed the memo, Plum confirmed multiple times that she saw me get roleblocked. So either I'm SK or Vig. Up to you (unless someone actually wants to listen to the perfectly valid setup spec from earlier again), but I personally think everything I've pushed so far has been blatantly town-motivated.

[Tere]

I am not up for lynching Bella tomorrow.

Pedit Cho, why am I that far down your reads list?

[Tere]

Personally as I have already said, I think Plum viewed frogging Mollie not you. Can you point to the posts that make you think she viewed you please, Cho?

[Bellaphant]

Cho, re-read my posts today and see if you wanna vig me still, pls.

[Cho]

Roleblock speculation is on the table. Everything else is off.

Who's scum, Yukari or Frogmollie? Serious question.

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating.

That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum.

I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

It's the opposite of what you said, Yukari - Hydrangea defending Frogmollie increases odds of Hydrangea-scum if Frogmollie is Town, not if they're scum.

Mollie, why did you launch into speculah re who you'd have NK'd if you were scum? It's pointless WIFOM - like serious real WIFOM okay I'm using the buzzword for something meaningful here - so why?

personally I am going to look at who is on staying on the edges cos I am pretty sure there will be scum there. scum love 1v1s but scum are often uncertain on how to handle them during the aftermath so tend to hold back a bit to see where town herd mentality will go.

Correct.

And just because a couple of people have mentioned this, Andrius mentioned to me before the game even filled, in response to me saying something about my prior hiatus, that he didn't know how long he himself would be on the site, so I wasn't surprised when he replaced out. Could it have been influenced by his alignment? Possibly, probably had more to do with stuff unrelated to that, so &c.

One thing that strikes me looking back is the Day 1 Bookitty wagon. As it forms, even at four players {Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination} I don't think the unflipped there are scum and the flipped are both Town. This was when Bookitty was away V/LA. Still. So I was looking at the Bookitty wagon. Don't really trust Bellaphant via that. Started typing out what was wrong with her trajectory re Bookitty, but now I'm not sure at all. It's weird. Whatever. Basically the whole Bookitty wagon looks like it was Town-driven and either entirely or almost entirely (?) Town. Doesn't make Bookitty scum. But in light of the MS flip and the nature of competing wagons, it means something. Although to refocus on Bellaphant, her unvote and revote on MS seems a little bit sketchy to me. We never see what she processes of the info, which is why she unvotes in the first place . . . eh.

Based on Grib's view of how Yukari/Frogmollie Night stuff played out, at this point I think a Frogmollie lynch would be fine pending any exciting new revelations from Yukari's slot. Bookitty also looks like a good choice just based on wagons from Day 1, but I'll reread her regardless. The other under-the-radar players in due time.

Her first two posts of Day 2: Plum seeing Yukari got manipulated/roleblocked would narrow her possibilities down to me either being Vig getting roleblocked, or SK getting roleblocked. Plum's an experienced player who would know how to subtly crumb a result like this right off the bat.

[Fro99er]

Jesus christ people stop begging to to not be vigged or that low on the reads list.

[Cho]

Cho, re-read my posts today and see if you wanna vig me still, pls.

I'm not commenting on my vig choice further.

I don't think anyone else should comment on it further, either.

There are plenty of kill options for Mafia right now. Maybe they'll die without killing me. Maybe they won't and nip me too. It's up in the air, so let them suffer.

[Tere]

I found the exact same posts and IMO that was Plum crumbing Mollie was not bulletproof, rather than saying you were definitely blocked Cho.

[Fro99er]

Plum definitely checked that Cho was roleblocked. It makes sense why Plum didn't want to sort me vs. Cho on D2, because they KNEW Cho was roleblocked.

Plum is voyeur, so if they targeted me, they would have gotten no result (since Cho's attempt at me was blocked). Isn't that the case?

[Cho]

Then why would she say she's inclined to go along with Grib and lynch Frogmollie?

If she saw no kill targeting Mollie, that in no way would imply lynching Mollie would solve anything.

[Cho]

Plum is voyeur, so if they targeted me, they would have gotten no result (since Cho's attempt at me was blocked). Isn't that the case?

No result as in "no actions" (I'm assuming no actions otherwise she'd have reported something else weird if she had investigated you), not no result as in roleblocked.

[ika]

why is tere in vig list?

pedit: idc i will quetion it untill im satified

you have been alrgley absent form the game and we have been havign a lot of dicussion so i find it annoying to basicly come in and not even give any real imput on the said dicussion.

i can see some of it but you need to at least give us why on ZX cus that seems to eb the consense atm

[Fro99er]

I'm with Cho on this.

I think we should just lynch Hydrangea. I don't even care to wait. Cho will do what Cho will do

(BTW, it also sounds like we have consensus on Dragon).

Pedit: Cho, that's exactly what I'm saying. No actions.

[Tere]

Jesus christ people stop begging to to not be vigged or that low on the reads list.

I am not fucking begging not to be vigged. I just want to know the rationale. Last time I checked Cho was town reading me, so I want to know what changed. It's probably POE since Cho seems to consider Z untouchable, but I want to check that.

P:edit. Eh, you may be right. I will think about it more in the morning.

Pedit pedit good lord you people. Type less!

[Cho]

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating. That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum. I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

Is it possible Mollie was protected?

I'm going to go with no.

Okaaaaaaay.

Never mind, just found this gem.

[dragonspawn]

Plum definitely checked that Cho was roleblocked. It makes sense why Plum didn't want to sort me vs. Cho on D2, because they KNEW Cho was roleblocked.

Plum is voyeur, so if they targeted me, they would have gotten no result (since Cho's attempt at me was blocked). Isn't that the case?

If that's the case and hydra is the rb, was plum pushing hydra yesterday?

[Cho]

Bella moves up just under Grib on my list.

Final discussion. We're lynching Hydra and we all know it. There's nothing she could say to deter us from it, but even if she ends up flipping town and a PR, I'd still believe Grib is town. Scum on a 2/3 team doesn't enter Day 3 with a counterclaim-vulnerable positive result.

VOTE: Hydra

And I'm not going to wait another 3+ days for the inevitable.

[Fro99er]

Plum definitely checked that Cho was roleblocked. It makes sense why Plum didn't want to sort me vs. Cho on D2, because they KNEW Cho was roleblocked.

Plum is voyeur, so if they targeted me, they would have gotten no result (since Cho's attempt at me was blocked). Isn't that the case?

If that's the case and hydra is the rb, was plum pushing hydra yesterday?

Plum wouldn't have known who the RB was. They just knew sorting myself and Cho was not the right path.

[Fro99er]

Ika, can you wait for ZZZX to catch up, then hammer Hydrangea?

[Tere]

I feel the same way. Ika, you want it?

Pedit yeah good point, we should at least let Z catch up.

[Cho]

But especially in light of what Grib pointed out, which I agree with, I'm definitely interested in pursuing ZZZX.

VOTE: ZZZX

The only thing he pointed out was me and X not scum together and PoE.. how does that push you to vote me tho is beyound my understanding.
VOTE: Plum they call dis da great omgus. I wana see you talk w/me about dis so I can dissect you soul uh I mean you true allignment.

I agree with Grib that it's unlikely that all scum were on the MS wagon at the end of Day 1, and you're far and away the scummiest of those who fit that description and are currently alive, the others being dead Town. What's not to get?

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating. That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum. I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

Is it possible Mollie was protected?

I'm going to go with no.

Sorry, I'm not following this: what have I got to do with Boo? I never voted that slot...Also, I unvoted, thought about the claim, realised it didn't change much, and the stuff about being mod-confirmed seemed like a gambit. I did explain that.

You had Bookitty under apparent scrutiny, went back and forth to some degree Day 1 (including asking multiple people to discuss their scumreads on her), listed her as a better target than Frogmollie in the event MS flipped Town and today . . . I'm not sure. You never voted Bookitty, sure, but there was an awful lot of hedging regarding it while you stayed on MS. I'm not sure what to make of it. Still trying to think it through. Maybe it just looks worse at the beginning of your ISO and then by the time I'm finished ctrl-F boo in your ISO I'm not sure whether I was seeing something relevant or not.

Tere, nice to see you. I'm not scum. And, uh, you can go ahead and vote me, I'm nowhere near anything. Or continue to intend to vote me. If you'd like to talk about me or to me about it, that's cool too.

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating. That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum. I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

Is it possible Mollie was protected?

I'm going to go with no.

Okaaaaaaay.

Never mind, just found this gem.

Frogger, Plum voyeured you Night 1 and got a negative result.

I really hope you're town because me being roleblocked AND you being mafia bulletproof is still plausible, setupwise - though that would mean you+mollie as scum expected yourselves to be voyeured.