Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[Aristophanes]

RBD, I like how you seem determined to either not read entirely or not understand my posts, picking whatever you feel like.

One of Titus or Jingle. Sure.
Have I not scumread Jingle? I believe so.

For this scenario, there is also a scum on Kthnx, which is either KJ or you, or Kthnx is scum.
Guess what, I have a scumread in that group too, and happen to be pushing it!
If I thought we could get a Jingle lynch today, I would be there. But since that isn't going to happen, I think I have my vote right where it is needed.
On scum.

[Rainbowdash]

RBD, I like how you seem determined to either not read entirely or not understand my posts, picking whatever you feel like.

One of Titus or Jingle. Sure.
Have I not scumread Jingle? I believe so.

For this scenario, there is also a scum on Kthnx, which is either KJ or you, or Kthnx is scum.
Guess what, I have a scumread in that group too, and happen to be pushing it!
If I thought we could get a Jingle lynch today, I would be there. But since that isn't going to happen, I think I have my vote right where it is needed.
On scum.

Again. Logic fail.

Where is the Driver there? Cant be Jingle. He is proven. Cant be me. I am VT due to you. So... its KJ or kthnx. Are you trying to claim that kthnx is a scum driver that has been fake claiming being a role cop? Or is it KJ for you then?

Seriously. You are saying Jingle + Two of [Pony/KJ/Kthnx] and there has to be a driver. Driver can only be one of those three (hint - it could only be KJ) and then voting elsewhere.

[Aristophanes]

Not at all.
This accounts for 2 of 3 scum (I.e. you and jingle)

Meaning scum could be entwined in the wagons and could be not (hint - it could still be Elbrin).

The more this goes on the more I want you to be scum and KJ to be town.
You are not helping your cases by making up/leaving out facts and possibilities.

I'm also perfectly happy to stalemate right now as a nolynch is fine.
(On one condition)
Hey Kthnx, did we ever find out for sure (though I assume so) that your stolen vote was just for today?

[Rainbowdash]

I love how it went from "Oh its two of these three" to "include Elbrin" when I pointed out a fallacy.

Just for the record too... now you are saying that Elbrin as a bus driver immediately started asking where Morty is out the gate to line up a neighborizer claim right?

[Titus]

RBD, good scum have good narratives. In Signs and Void, I left myself a VTish fakeclaiming in my narrative. People bought it but for singer.

[Rainbowdash]

RBD, good scum have good narratives. In Signs and Void, I left myself a VTish fakeclaiming in my narrative. People bought it but for singer.

I still have a super hard time buying that a bus driver decided to strongly crumb a searching neighborizer that's specific target may or may not actually even exist out the gate. Especially in the scenario that Aristo is floating, but I think most of us have him as somewhere in our scum group to start either way.

[Jingle]

Also, it's worth noting that there hasn't been a quickhammer. Meaning either kthx is scum or Aristo is. Or both, I suppose.

Actually, no.

It means either Kthx or someone on his wagon is scum.
And
That either myself or someone on my wagon is scum.

If there is a scum with a vote already on either or on both wagon, they would not have the numbers to quichlynch.
Alternately, if everyone on my wagon is town, as am I, then Kthnx is scum and thus they can't quicklynch.
(This all assuming you removed his vote but did not gain an extra one).

Think about the full picture Jingle.
That was just lazy.

No.

I'm town. Titus can only be scum if kthx is. One of you and kthx is scum. Could be both. One of kthx and RBD is scum too. I just didn't realize he was L-3.

If we had a mislynch to spare, I'd say we should hit kthx.

[Titus]

RBD, good scum have good narratives. In Signs and Void, I left myself a VTish fakeclaiming in my narrative. People bought it but for singer.

I still have a super hard time buying that a bus driver decided to strongly crumb a searching neighborizer that's specific target may or may not actually even exist out the gate. Especially in the scenario that Aristo is floating, but I think most of us have him as somewhere in our scum group to start either way.

And if scum are told no Morty exists and no neighborizer either? This is a game where scum have to be given fake claims.

You can keep trying to sell me a lynch I don't want to decide between or we can vote scum we agree on. I don't see why this is so hard for you.

[Titus]

If you're town, Ari's flip should clear you anyway.

[Elbirn]

Also, it's worth noting that there hasn't been a quickhammer. Meaning either kthx is scum or Aristo is. Or both, I suppose.

Actually, no.

It means either Kthx or someone on his wagon is scum.
And
That either myself or someone on my wagon is scum.

If there is a scum with a vote already on either or on both wagon, they would not have the numbers to quichlynch.
Alternately, if everyone on my wagon is town, as am I, then Kthnx is scum and thus they can't quicklynch.
(This all assuming you removed his vote but did not gain an extra one).

Think about the full picture Jingle.
That was just lazy.

No.

I'm town. Titus can only be scum if kthx is. One of you and kthx is scum. Could be both. One of kthx and RBD is scum too. I just didn't realize he was L-3.

If we had a mislynch to spare, I'd say we should hit kthx.

Can you explain all of this dichotomy bs? Thanks.

[Elbirn]

RBD, good scum have good narratives. In Signs and Void, I left myself a VTish fakeclaiming in my narrative. People bought it but for singer.

Hi titus. So here's the thing.

1. @ the above post: I'm not good scum. I know that's not an argument. I know it's a loaded statement and a biased one at that. But I'm not good scum.

2. Rip the bodyguard was tracked by flames to me on the night he died. Flames is confirmed town by his death. I can't see a reason for rip to be the nk target when he was mislynch bait and a claimed miller at that. The only reason would be for some kind of wifom that only works if flames tracks rip to a scum, and then announces it. That plan would suck because it gives town a confirmed Townie if rip *doesnt* target scum, which is what happened here, and if flames doesn't target rip then it doesn't work at all. There are too many "ifs" here for it to be a scum plan. Rip bodyguarded Me and I was the nightkill target.

3. This is confirmed by kiwis mod error in which I was listed as dead and rip as alive, which was hastily corrected.

So basically the only way I am scum is if I have the skill to pull off a risky ploy, and then nightkilled mislynch bait in hopes that it wiuld conftown me based on things out of my control, and that the mod error does not confirm that rip bodyguarded me, which it does.

[Antihero]

i'm back, baby.

Vote Count 3.4

Aristophanes - 2 (Titus, Jingle)
kthnxbye - 2 (Rainbowdash, Elbrin)
Rainbowdash - 1 (Aristophanes)

No Lynch - 2 (killerjester, lufan131)

Not Voting: Kthxbye

lufan131 has been prodded again.

5 to lynch.
deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-20 13:02:52)

[Titus]

Ok. Elbrin is conf downtown.

[lufan131]

VOTE: RBD

Since you didn't die last time, perhaps voting you might work.

[Titus]

Lufan, we can possibly verify RBD's alignment by eliminating Ari

[lufan131]

Lufan, we can possibly verify RBD's alignment by eliminating Ari

Ok. That seems much easier anyway.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ari

[killerjester]

ohmyfuckiung god we are not lynching aris

[Titus]

Why not KJ?

[Kthxbye]

so it appears as if Jingle didn't steal my vote but rather just made it so I couldn't vote....

[Aristophanes]

Okay, I'm at L-3 now.
Only a matter of time until we lose this.

All we can do is wait for the other two scum to vote me, since Jingle is already there.

I assume KJ would have voted me is scum.
I will concede that Elbrin is a good town candidate.
Exclude Titus and Lufan.
This leaves Kthnx. But then I will need an extra town on me to be lynched.
Elbrin, please do not vote me.

But Jingle wouldn't have stolen a teammate's vote, unless they really don't know what their power is and took a chance.
Meaning KJ could be waiting for a teammate to vote in order to hammer it home (RBD I am assuming).
The reactions don't point to that though, unless they are an excellent actor.

Basically, I expect to be voted by the last scum(RBD). If no town vote me, we will still have a chance by nolynching.

I'm trying to think as critically as possible here, thus the change in tone.

[Titus]

Ari who is your scum team?


Why are you excluding me and lufan?

[Aristophanes]

Lufan as bg/vig I believe.
I also believe you blocked a kill on KJ.
Thus I believe KJ is town.

This leaves Jingle, RBD, Kthnx, and Elbrin.

If I concede that Elbrin is likely town from the above stated info (I was being rather stubborn previously, I will admit) then Kthnx, Jingle, RBD.
If I am not lynched today, it is because RBD and Kthnx are the two scum not on my wagon, and Kthnx has no vote.
If I am (though this would mean a loss) it means RBD votes me and scum KJ hammers.
I don't think that will happen.
It would also mean no scum kill due to you jailing them.
So, I see scum as Jingle, RBD, and one of Kthnx/KJ, with much doubt that it is KJ.
If we can get rid of one of Jingle/RBD today, things will start to fall into place and we can sort the others later.
Only one who makes sense as an RB/busdriver is Kthnx though, since I believe you jailed KJ.
Thus that is my team.
Same logic as before, I am merely accepting Elbrin as likely town, which slips Kthnx rather nicely into that empty void as the 3rd scum.

[Titus]

Then why aren't you voting Kthx?

[Rainbowdash]

Then why aren't you voting Kthx?

Because he is scum with kthnx and kthnx is more valuable to keep around. If kthnx dies here it makes it much harder to mislynch me. If Aristo dies here nothing changes there.

But yeah. Kthnx + Aristo nearly 100% now. Due to lufan though kthnx lynch is the correct first one.

Are the ponies who aren't voting kthnx think that Aristo is scum just trying to posture to get kthnx-town lynched? And that scum either directly killed RIP or targeted Morty-Cop over role cop? Or that a town role cop would actually make the two investigations that kthnx did?

Aristo absolutely needs to vote kthnx in his next post.

[Titus]

RBD, I think Ari is scum regardless of your alignment. He could be hammer posturing on kthx, bad at scum with you, etc. An Ari flip where he is not vanillaizer scum firms you. A vanillaizer flip suggests but does not confirm you are town. You could be avoiding voting Ari because you are scum with him. All rational roads lead to Ari scum.

You are not defending Ari and refuse to vote him. That's a neon flag you're scum with Ari if your last comments about kthx Ari have any weight.