Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[vezokpiraka]

its either sonic/shak are both town, but i have that small gut feeling
deeeep insdie
telling me that both can be scum.
Refusing that feeling atm but it is something i feel imo.

Mate. Look at sonic's post. This is town him. You can't mistake that.

[Flubbernugget]

Sigh I tried

VOTE: hiplop

Scum reading ika for not hammering is dumb

[Flubbernugget]

Hi Titus. Voting me is stupid. Also, sthar8 isn't really in this game. This is a Jingle game. I'll let you know if that changes.

So, there's no doc inventor in this game. I know this because we were the target of the protective invention last night, and it is in fact a commute.

Shak is now conftown unless SB is scum. I'm not super excited about either of their posting today, but I don't think we should be beating dead horses.

I'm dead tired tonight, but it seems to me like we can fairly easily jointly determine an optimal weak cop target from this point forward. No one else should target the player in question. Whoever the weak cop inventor is gives it to null reads, and they target as appointed. That way we're not losing conftown, and scum are incentivized into suboptimal nightkills. The commuter inventor is basically a doctor, and should target based on that. Does anyone see any flaws with this logic right now? I'm about to pass out, so fine toothed comb if you'd please.

I'd be more interested in copping SB tonight than lynching them tbh. Titus is great at VCA, both of them will scare town, and they're a pretty universal null/scum read.

Not 100% sure how commuter works but doesn't that create a follow the cop scenario?

Why didn't you offer a cop appoint?

I appoint Cerb. Double checking hiplop votes before i stack mine on

[Flubbernugget]

HAHA I ALREADY VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY

[Shakira Confirmed]

this is the dumbest wagon hiplop is obvtown af

VOTE: tere

i'll put my tunneling on hold if only because this is also tere's scumplay. that wagon hop was horrible and opportunistic

[Shakira Confirmed]

also the whole "because we should have done it yesterday" reasoning is shit and i feel like town is giving scum room to hide on this wagon just by the whole "well we agreed on this yesterday too so" bs

[vezokpiraka]

this is the dumbest wagon hiplop is obvtown af

VOTE: tere

i'll put my tunneling on hold if only because this is also tere's scumplay. that wagon hop was horrible and opportunistic

You're town. Run me through that. I want to belieeeeeve.

[vezokpiraka]

Right now I see people who fought for lynching bins against hiplop and bins flipped pr.

[Tere]

My scum play is actually that I am a lurky fucksack that says the minimum I can get away with in the main thread and talks up a storm on the scumboard, as Marquis knows full well since he modded the game in question (Pokemon U Pick), but whatevs. You can go check for yourselves.

[Tere]

BTW Cerb's L-1 was only just over 3 hours before end of Day and I think ika is working nights ATM so he may well have not seen it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6964136

[Tere]

Yeah, I don't mind a hiplop vote either. It felt like he was crumbing a bomb or something late in the day, which after claiming VT earlier is just eesh.

Vote hiplop

Vezok you might want to fix your vote tags?

Following up on this, here's hiplop's claim:

vt

and here's what he says later:

I'm plutonium! so if you lynch me something bad might happen! please dont

This, plus lack of reads despite lynch pressure, plus weird push on me, plus not reading push on SB slot today, all this makes me comfy with where my vote is.

Kari also needs to turn up and do something.

Shakira's a townread so the cop read looks OK. MS immediately outing it looks OK too, I guess (still wouldn't mind a cop result on that slot though).

Will have more of a look at people post weekend - have probably procrastinated indoors for long enough!

[Kari]

obligatory v/la until monday post

[Cerberus v666]

Hi Titus. Voting me is stupid. Also, sthar8 isn't really in this game. This is a Jingle game. I'll let you know if that changes.

So, there's no doc inventor in this game. I know this because we were the target of the protective invention last night, and it is in fact a commute.

Shak is now conftown unless SB is scum. I'm not super excited about either of their posting today, but I don't think we should be beating dead horses.

I'm dead tired tonight, but it seems to me like we can fairly easily jointly determine an optimal weak cop target from this point forward. No one else should target the player in question. Whoever the weak cop inventor is gives it to null reads, and they target as appointed. That way we're not losing conftown, and scum are incentivized into suboptimal nightkills. The commuter inventor is basically a doctor, and should target based on that. Does anyone see any flaws with this logic right now? I'm about to pass out, so fine toothed comb if you'd please.

I'd be more interested in copping SB tonight than lynching them tbh. Titus is great at VCA, both of them will scare town, and they're a pretty universal null/scum read.

Not 100% sure how commuter works but doesn't that create a follow the cop scenario?

Why didn't you offer a cop appoint?

I appoint Cerb

. Double checking hiplop votes before i stack mine on

I agree. Being kinda sorta conftown is awesome.

I find it unlikely a commuter could both commute and investigate someone. That's one of the big differences between the commuter granter simply being a doctor, and having an actual doctor in the game. That, and the person targeted is immune to everything, not just kills.

So, what do we have here so far?

SB gained weak cop AND got neighborized.
Lying cat received a commute.

Neither of these claims can be substantiated by anything, because bins is dead, and lying cat didn't die last night.

Jaqen: You posted in between my L-1 post and the day end. I have the same question for you I had for Shakira Confirmed. What is so town about hiplop that you preferred a no lynch over lynching him?

Tere: We'll just see what Ika says.

[Sonic Boom]

Back from emergency trip picking up friend from hospital. Seems like Sonic has things under control here.

Titus

[Cerberus v666]

Did anyone else receive any ability's, and if so what were they? Right now we have 3 claimed inventions at play...or not, hmm. Actually, upon looking over bins' pm and the setup stating that there may be other power roles in the game...would bins actually count as an inventor? Clearly the weak cop and the commute are inventions, but it doesn't look like sonic was gifted a one shot they could utilize, instead they were given access to a PT...so...yeah.

Would an inventor be called inventor for their role, or something else related to what their invention does?

[Ankamius]

Commute happens before everyone else, so a cop action would not go through.

[vezokpiraka]

Did anyone else receive any ability's, and if so what were they? Right now we have 3 claimed inventions at play...or not, hmm. Actually, upon looking over bins' pm and the setup stating that there may be other power roles in the game...would bins actually count as an inventor? Clearly the weak cop and the commute are inventions, but it doesn't look like sonic was gifted a one shot they could utilize, instead they were given access to a PT...so...yeah.

Would an inventor be called inventor for their role, or something else related to what their invention does?

bins was not inventor.

Inventors are called in the role name, like : Weak cop inventor.

[Shakira Confirmed]

I appoint Cerb

. Double checking hiplop votes before i stack mine on

I agree. Being kinda sorta conftown is awesome.

1. No it isn't. Being conftown sucks.
2. If you're town, wouldn't you want them to not go for you since you know it wouldn't be as useful as hitting mafia?

In my opinion, unless the inventions people get do anything useful, I don't think it's a good idea to announce, as mafia could back calculate who sent you stuff. Right? Was this talked about last game?

-Flum

[Shakira Confirmed]

Going to the dentist now. If I never come back, assume the worst.
-Flum

[hiplop]

this is the dumbest wagon hiplop is obvtown af

VOTE: tere

i'll put my tunneling on hold if only because this is also tere's scumplay. that wagon hop was horrible and opportunistic

yeah, this wagon grew insanely fast with no resistance at all whatsoever. Not a good sign.

My scum play is actually that I am a lurky fucksack that says the minimum I can get away with in the main thread and talks up a storm on the scumboard, as Marquis knows full well since he modded the game in question (Pokemon U Pick), but whatevs. You can go check for yourselves.

self meta is fucking bullshit and everyone knows it.

Did you read the setup? Inventors target during the day and their abilities resolve during twilight, before the flip. There was no joint pt until after the day had ended.

[/quote]
Did you read his role pm? Bins wasn't an inventor. Anyone talking down to me can fuck off because I was right

[hiplop]

Tere/Sonic are scum

[vezokpiraka]

Tere/Sonic are scum

Yes sure and my cigarette is plated with golden platinum.

[Lying Cat]

Not 100% sure how commuter works but doesn't that create a follow the cop scenario?

Not really, no. The person who gets given the cop invent needs to be fairly anonymous to prevent scum killing them and invalidating the investigation. We *could* have the person who is cop inventor claim, but that's fairly dangerous and I'm not really sure it gives us much value. Under no circumstances do we want the commute inventor to claim.

I wouldn't really have a problem with cerbs being the one to investigate SB, except for the fact that that invites a scum roleblocker or roleblocker like effect to fuck with our PRs. The person receiving the cop invent should be secret, and a null read of the cop inventor. If that person ever dies, the cop inventor can come into the thread and say so. Also, from now on, each invention recipient should claim at daystart.

[ika]

so i just got home form work and i quickly skimped up so i could make a breif post real quick and then maybe make something more substancal:

but to give a full diclsoure, i was not aware of the l-1 and i was at work during that time. When i am at work i have 0 acces to the game.

[ika]

that being said i have had 3 overnights (9 at night to 6 in morn) and little sleep and i jsut opened today.

so if someone needs me for something immitate make it known now