Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[ika]

Keep reading. Anti said I was right when given the basic prompt for NAR.

yet anti also stated that he does not use NAR. so using an NAR argument in an anti game is moot point

Right so roles that trigger NAR are less likely to be included.

not really?

[Wickedestjr]

I'm back and currently in catch up mode.

Heh. That's almost exactly what sthar8 said. And then I explained what I meant and the tell and why it works. And he agrees with me.

Not caught up yet but you just shot yourself in the foot for pegging sthar in all of your upcoming games?

Not sure I believe that

I really like this point.

Jingle

, do you have anything to say about this?

If your vote isn't on Hiplop or Bins right now, you should probably move it somewhere.

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Bins - 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
hiplop - 8 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius, Bins, Cerberus v666)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 1 (

Shakira Confirmed

)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

The day has ended in a No Lynch. It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2015-06-19 23:20:41).

???

1463 is what a man is in about when he is saying ZZZX is a better lynch today than Bins in spite of Bins being imscumigiveup in thread which is coming directly after a man is saying ZZZX is a better lynch- which is likely meaning Bins is Goon while Z is scum PR.

Have you ever seen scum-goons sacrifice like this before? Because I don't think I ever have...

Lol! A man is already advocating a flash lynch on himself if the rest of the town are finding it necessary. What more must a man give? Must he pluck his short curlies or chop off a pinky toe irl?

This is the third or fourth time you've brought this up (IIRC). Do you expect town to actually do this? Do you expect this to be in town's best interest?

Page 64 when I continue.

[Cerberus v666]

It just means the resolution may be different than what you'd expect.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Because bins flipped town and was pushed yesterday as a counter to hiplop. And hiplop is pretty much scum.

Or hiplop is having a town role as well and scum aren't wanting to be on a wagon of a claimed PR with little support. A man would be very surprised if any of those on Bins' final wagon are scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is abeing pretty sure at least two scum are on the hiplop wagon without regard to that one's role. A man is thinking vezok must needs to contemplate these things more.

[Sonic Boom]

Hiplop claimed vt.

[vezokpiraka]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Bins - 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
hiplop - 8 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius,

Bins

, Cerberus v666)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

The day has ended in a No Lynch. It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2015-06-19 23:20:41).

So you think there are at least two scum on the hiplop wagon. No scum on the bins wagon and two scum in {SC, Mac, ika, kari}

I think you're just bullshiting here. I think you;re scum, but I want to see hiplop flipped because I think he's a strong scum PR and you're deflecting from him.

[ZZZX]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Bins - 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
hiplop - 8 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius,

Bins

, Cerberus v666)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

The day has ended in a No Lynch. It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2015-06-19 23:20:41).

So you think there are at least two scum on the hiplop wagon. No scum on the bins wagon and two scum in {SC, Mac, ika, kari}

I think you're just bullshiting here. I think you;re scum, but I want to see hiplop flipped because I think he's a strong scum PR and you're deflecting from him.

I agree about the bs part.

If Hip is scum then logically scum would push bins, They can bs their way of "why would we be on PR wagon" but its logically logical.

If you wana NK someoen when you can literraly push his lynch and get away with it. WHY NOT?

It has been done before and it is being done until now.

[ZZZX]

personally I believe there are

2 scum on (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
1-2 scums on (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius,

Bins, Cerberus v666)
1 scum in {SC, Mac, ika, kari}

Tho I cant remeber the number of scum players that are supposed to be, I believe it was 4?

[ZZZX]

read rules again and yea its 4.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Bins - 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
hiplop - 8 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius,

Bins

, Cerberus v666)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

The day has ended in a No Lynch. It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2015-06-19 23:20:41).

So you think there are at least two scum on the hiplop wagon. No scum on the bins wagon and two scum in {SC, Mac, ika, kari}

I think you're just bullshiting here. I think you;re scum, but I want to see hiplop flipped because I think he's a strong scum PR and you're deflecting from him.

A man isn't bullshitting. A man is much more interested in those getting on and then back off the Bins wagon yesterday and is thinking those are the best lynch pool for today and the foreseeable futer until they are all being sorted. A man is making a list of those when he is off work.

If this one is having no faith in a man, then lynch him. His lynch isn't going to hurt the town too much.

[Sonic Boom]

Lynch hiplop. Lynch Jaquen. Lynch Mastina. Lynch Cerb. That should end the game or be damn close.

[Cerberus v666]

Lynch hiplop. Lynch Jaquen. Lynch Mastina. Lynch Cerb. That should end the game or be damn close.

in that order?

[Sonic Boom]

Except for Hiplop I am flexible on the order.

[mastin2]

Only got ten minutes, so we'll see what I can get.

Flubber's scum, for a start. His page 72 posting makes that clear by itself.

Kari at this point is just becoming a scumread by default too. That'd make a team look something like Sonic Boom, Flubber, Kari, and one more yet to be determined, but I can tell you rather a number of people it wouldn't be.

Under no circumstances do we want the commute inventor to claim.

Precisely, because--being unable to self-target--they're not exactly going to be a Bulletproof Doctor.

I find it unlikely a commuter could both commute and investigate someone.

I'm pretty sure Anti said that you could use all inventions at once. I'll check in a bit. The question's more on whether with it being a commute, if the weak cop would work. (Which, admittedly, I don't know about.)

yeah, this wagon grew insanely fast with no resistance at all whatsoever. Not a good sign.

True, and I'll need to check for a full list of members later, but Tere is certainly not a name on there that I'd call scum. (That'd more be like Sonic Boom.)

/72, and out of time. Sorry.

[hiplop]

Mastin, I would be fine with a flubber lynch. I dont think ANYONE sees him as town

[mastin2]

hiplop - 5 (Tere, vezokpiraka, Sonic Boom, ZZZX, Flubbernugget)
Sonic Boom - 2 (hiplop, mastin2)

Someone voted Tere for opportunism I think it was?

Well, they should look here.

Tere was the

first

vote.

Sonic Boom the

third

vote. (Imagine that!)

And Flubber! Flubber, there, is the FIFTH vote on hiplop.

You want opportunism, you've got it right there. That wagon also hopped up in an incredibly short timeframe, too. Tere, first vote, at Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:13 am, in post 1767. Flubbers vote? Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:43 am, in post 1776. That's a five-man wagon, in 3.5 hours and 9 posts. Not a chance in HELL that's towndriven.

[mastin2]

Jaqen is town as fuck. Almost conftown.

Eh, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch, but yes, Jaqen is in fact pretty dang town.

We just get the commute each night, and check whoever.

Yeah, the commute-inventor would have to be a real idiot to give YOU the commute.

Titus, I'm rather disappointed that you still don't know how I operate as scum.

(Psst. She's scum. She's [probably] not going to scumread the majority of her scumteam, so she's [probably] going to need to fake scumreads

somewhere

, and you're it*.)

*(Did I mention Ank is town?)

[mastin2]

One thing good coming from a bad Bins wagon is that a man is pretty sure all (with exception to hiplop since Bins was his counterwagon) on the Bins wagon are probtown because scum aren't wanting to be on or Bins would have been mislynched.

wut

Eh, I think it possible a scum is on there, but I see Jaqen's logic. Especially given the names. LC's not scum, I'm not scum, Jaqen's not scum, and hiplop's not scum. The only possible scum there is Wicked, and I don't really think he's scum. (Granted, I don't particularly think he's town, either, but that's beside the fact.)

The only thing that sort of bugs me about it is Mastin may be town if Cat is scum and I really hope her to be scum.

'Course I'm town. There's basically no scenario in which I'm not, especially when it comes to Lying Cat interactions for ~reasons~. (Incidentally, LC is as I said very likely town, soyeah.)

The commute inventor gives it to their choice every night, unless cop inventor claims, in which case they target them. As for the cop, my thought is this. We cop you tonight. We cop whoever cops you tonight tomorrow. Etc. If someone in the chain flips town, we've got a bunch of conftown. Person who cops #3 or 4 should be a strong townread of cop inventor.
And the massive flow of associative tells without flips is hilarious.

Sounds 'bout right to me. Small question, though. If an inventor gets the weak cop invention and fears their target is scum, do they deviate from the chain or risk their life?

[mastin2]

vezok/lying cat/ sonic scumteam

Sure thing!

So lynch the Sonic first.

Also, I thought of a strategy we could use to help with results:

Before night, everyone posts this:
"If I were to receive the weak cop, my target would be X", where X is a player that they decide on (if two players die, then we have a 50/50 shot at getting scum);
After each night, they post, "If I was the recipient of the weak cop, my target would have been Y" (Y may or may not be the same as X).

Does anyone see a flaw in that idea?

[Lying Cat]

In post 1390, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1359, Lying Cat wrote:
Heh. That's almost exactly what sthar8 said. And then I explained what I meant and the tell and why it works. And he agrees with me.

Not caught up yet but you just shot yourself in the foot for pegging sthar in all of your upcoming games?

Not sure I believe that

I really like this point. Jingle, do you have anything to say about this?

I'm not in the slightest worried about losing my ability to read sthar8. We live together, work together and I have never once been wrong about his alignment. I know him well enough to figure out if he's playing around the tell. And possibly more relevant, we avoid each others games to avoid an unfair advantage.

[Lying Cat]

Does anyone see a flaw in that idea?

Yes. Elaboration after work.

Also, after talking to sthar8,

VOTE: Flubber

[Sonic Boom]

Jingle, stop getting distracted by Mastina.

Flubber's town. I don't see any reason to scumread him or why any town would. In fact, I disagree with all Mastina's reads.

[Sonic Boom]

vezok/lying cat/ sonic scumteam

Sure thing!

So lynch the Sonic first.

Also, I thought of a strategy we could use to help with results:

Before night, everyone posts this:
"If I were to receive the weak cop, my target would be X", where X is a player that they decide on (if two players die, then we have a 50/50 shot at getting scum);
After each night, they post, "If I was the recipient of the weak cop, my target would have been Y" (Y may or may not be the same as X).

Does anyone see a flaw in that idea?

Roleblocker anyone?

Scum see that town want to target scum. Block the scum. Magic presto confirmed scum as town.

[mastin2]

(Also, Flubber continues to be hilariously scum with posts like 1888.)

Also, gut says Cerb's town, soyeah.

LC, why didn't the commute inventor gift bins, since bins claimed a day power which wouldn't be affected by commuting, and hhad a decent chance of being the first nk? Can you think of town motivations?

Dozens of motivations in fact, but listing so much as one would be anti-town.

I personally think SB might be scum, but I'm more than willing to let the cop sort them out.

If we get universal agreement that the recipient of the cop do so, short of the recipient being an inventor (because in my opinion, if an inventor gets the weak cop investigation, it'd be a bad idea to investigate near-certain scum), then yes I can agree with this. Otherwise, I figure just save the investigator's life and lynch them today, start a new chain tomorrow. (Ideally, the chain involves players that are decently likely to be town yet aren't going to get nightkilled. If someone is a scummy scumbutt, bad idea for them to be part of it, which is why the person who gave Sonic Boom of all people the invention has my deep ire.)

If you're voting sonic boom you need to explain why lc's weak cop idea is shit

I have concerns about it. If/when they're addressed then I'll change my vote. (To you in all likelihood, of course.)

/77.