Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Flubbernugget]

@jaquen

Weak cop investigates the previous weak cop

If nobody dies, that weak cop claims

This continues every night

Now we have a trail of conftown

You're willing to call me dumb for sheeping lc's plan without challenging it I think

Honestly the paragraph I'm responding to makes no fucking sense but that's what I got out of it

[ZZZX]

Jaqen. I have played with bins way more than a man. I never scum read bins that hard and was sure binz is town after reading as a man slowly.

YOU were wrong about bins who you were sure off as a man and you are wrong about me. And ibdont see you apologize or know you are wrong from either.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Ehh, still hesitant of Sonic scum. I've mainly agreed with all of their reads so far up until their derpy (scummy) as heck scan on us. Like I don't think I'll ever be able to get over that.
@Titus, what was your point of view on that scan. I only ever really hard Sonic's.

OK, brain check here, Hiplop should be today's lynch. Not checking them. I thought you were scum, Sonic thought you were town. Bins liked the check as well.

Seriously what the fuck is your issue? You ought to know Hiplop is the right play. Marquis should especially.

Well, my issue right now is this contradicts Sonic's story.
Sonic said Bins wanted Mastin or Cat checked. And Sonic definitely didn't think we were town.

[Lying Cat]

So your plan just narrows down the cop inventor every time someone claims they got a cop inventor.
Don't think so.

Says the person who, by claiming they got the cop invention, narrowed down the list of people who could be the cop inventor.

My plan isn't to go, "Hey, I got the cop invention, and I targeted X" either.
My plan is, BEFORE THE NIGHT HAS BEGUN, "Hey, if I were to receive the cop invention, I'd target X."
They die, then we've got a guilty.
They live, sure, them claiming will narrow down who the cop inventor is, but every. plan. suggested. today. is doing nothing different. If anything, my plan is helping to OBSCURE who the cop inventor is.

Ding Ding Ding. Give the girl a biscuit!

Titus' problem with the plan is quite frankly not a problem with the plan. I'll elaborate on the actual problems with the plan and pros and cons of each viable option after work, but that is like the one thing that mastin's plan doesn't lead to. In the slightest.

[Sonic Boom]

ok I just double checked the hood pt.

Bins was townreading you, yes. but we pushed to cop you


PLUS, she wanted you to be "conftown" so that we could have a "party" in the hood

[Sonic Boom]

not "conftown"

"inno"

[Sonic Boom]

the plan was, if you were inno, we neighborize you and we're a masonry

if you were scum, bins would report


we did not account for bins dying. especially when she was mislynch baited by jaqen and LC

[Lying Cat]

Ehh, still hesitant of Sonic scum. I've mainly agreed with all of their reads so far up until their derpy (scummy) as heck scan on us. Like I don't think I'll ever be able to get over that.
@Titus, what was your point of view on that scan. I only ever really hard Sonic's.

OK, brain check here, Hiplop should be today's lynch. Not checking them. I thought you were scum, Sonic thought you were town. Bins liked the check as well.

Seriously what the fuck is your issue? You ought to know Hiplop is the right play. Marquis should especially.

Well, my issue right now is this contradicts Sonic's story.
Sonic said Bins wanted Mastin or Cat checked. And Sonic definitely didn't think we were town.

quote, please? I'm being lazy today and I already have a bunch of notes about things I've gotta respond to.

Oh, and sorry about not getting to this last night but I had a migraine by the time I got home and I had to focus on dealing with that so I wasn't the grumpiest asshole in the world at work.

[Sonic Boom]

Yeah duh you're a scummy fuck

Titus was mistaken w.r.t. my read on SC

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic, we should paraphrase the hood when I can focus on just this or you can do it.

[Jaqen Hghar]

@jaquen

Weak cop investigates the previous weak cop

If nobody dies, that weak cop claims

This continues every night

Now we have a trail of conftown

You're willing to call me dumb for sheeping lc's plan without challenging it I think

Honestly the paragraph I'm responding to makes no fucking sense but that's what I got out of it

Yeah. That's dumb.

1. Scum would know the target so they can kill it

2. Scum would know the target so they can redirect it

3. Scum would know the target so they can kill it

4. Scum would know the weak cop so they can kill it

A man can go on if you are liking

[Jaqen Hghar]

3. Scum would know the target so they can block it

[Cerberus v666]

If scum have a jailkeeper, they can prevent results on whoever the designated target is, or they can cede control of their kill to town to prevent these investigations from mattering. What they can't do is roleblock or kill the inventor or the investigator because they won't know who either of those individuals are. The only public information being discussed is targets.

[ZZZX]

How about we simply do a mass (if I had cop) move. Even if we don't act and 2 kills happen we can use poe to get good stufd

[Cerberus v666]

That's what mastin was suggesting. Seems reasonable. Also not incompatible with the LC/SB plan. If I could investigate anyone tonight I would investigate Sonic Boom.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If scum have a jailkeeper, they can prevent results on whoever the designated target is, or they can cede control of their kill to town to prevent these investigations from mattering. What they can't do is roleblock or kill the inventor or the investigator because they won't know who either of those individuals are. The only public information being discussed is targets.

That works, but what those ones (flub and others) is suggesting is investigating the previous weak cop.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is targeting ZZZX if he is a recipient

[Cerberus v666]

Yes, I understand that they're suggesting targeting the previous weak cop. How does that expose the inventor or the new weak cop?

[Lying Cat]

Before night, everyone posts this:
"If I were to receive the weak cop, my target would be X", where X is a player that they decide on (if two players die, then we have a 50/50 shot at getting scum);
After each night, they post, "If I was the recipient of the weak cop, my target would have been Y" (Y may or may not be the same as X).

Does anyone see a flaw in that idea?

Okay. Flaw time. This plan does an excellent job of hiding the cop inventor, but that's the only thing it does well. It completely negates the chance of useful innocent results. It halves the effectiveness of guilties. If scum is competent, it gives them enough information to fuck with it. The ONLY benefit to this plan is that it hides the shit out of the cop inventor.

Sounds 'bout right to me. Small question, though. If an inventor gets the weak cop invention and fears their target is scum, do they deviate from the chain or risk their life?

Busted logic but highlights a possible flaw in my plan.

No. The inventor in my plan does not deviate from the chain, because:

If the target is town, there is no benefit.

If the target is scum, they now know the identity of the inventor. Which kills said inventor. Which doesn't give us information. And it fakes a guilty on scum. Bad.

So your plan just narrows down the cop inventor every time someone claims they got a cop inventor.
Don't think so.

Says the person who, by claiming they got the cop invention, narrowed down the list of people who could be the cop inventor.

My plan isn't to go, "Hey, I got the cop invention, and I targeted X" either.
My plan is, BEFORE THE NIGHT HAS BEGUN, "Hey, if I were to receive the cop invention, I'd target X."
They die, then we've got a guilty.
They live, sure, them claiming will narrow down who the cop inventor is, but every. plan. suggested. today. is doing nothing different. If anything, my plan is helping to OBSCURE who the cop inventor is.

Ding Ding Ding. Give the girl a biscuit!

Titus' problem with the plan is quite frankly not a problem with the plan. I'll elaborate on the actual problems with the plan and pros and cons of each viable option after work, but that is like the one thing that mastin's plan doesn't lead to. In the slightest.

I'd like a Titus response to this. Not an MS response, a Titus response. I'd also love that paraphrase you promised me. Pwease?




Okay, possible plans, and the pros and cons of each:

Spoiler: Mastin Plan

We each claim a target each day and a result the day after.

Hides the inventor pretty well, which is not a problem due to the whole, we have a cop thing. Doesn't give very good innos or guilties.

Spoiler: My Plan

Tonight, the cop-inventor targets whoever the fuck he wants, preferably scummy bastards. That person cops SB. That person gets copped tomorrow if they survive, ad infinitum. If we have a flip, everyone before then in the chain is hardconfirmed, meaning we can force scum into killing along that group of targets to prevent a critical mass of innocent results.

The commute inventor is literally a doctor, and targets accordingly. If a player recieves both the cop and the commute, they cop. If the cop inventor outs, the doctor targets them exclusively. Cop inventor should probably out tomorrow or the next day at the latest.

If at any point, there are two kills, we lynch the last person to have been cop. If at any point we have no cop claim, the inventor outs and we lynch their target. After having lynched the last person to be the cop, we have the next cop target the same person the lynched scum *should* have targeted, according to the plan, in order to actually confirm them.

The pros: Well defined guilties. Well defined innocents.

The cons: Can be interrupted by a scum JK. Can be manipulated to give false results by a scum busdriver. Presents a clear and present danger to the commute inventor if they receive a weak cop AND their target is scum.

Spoiler: Generic Plan

Cop inventor targets as he pleases. Cop targets as he pleases. At the beginning of each day, the cop claims his target.

Cons: There are no guilties. Period. And there's nothing to prevent scum from doing fuckall if they get the cop, so the innocents aren't very trustworthy.

I obviously prefer my own plan. If anyone has a different plan, say something now, but we most definitely need to come to a consensus, before the night phase. And there is none of this follow both plans shite, because that will help narrow down the cop inventor more than anything else.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Yes, I understand that they're suggesting targeting the previous weak cop. How does that expose the inventor or the new weak cop?

It doesn't but is completely wasting the investigate. If scum is knowing the previous cop is being targeted it is leaving the door wide open to

1. Scum killing the previous Cop the same night we are investigating

2. WIFOM mislynches when the previous Cop isn't dying

[Mac]

prod received, but i cant post til tomorrow night. Sorry guys!

[Lying Cat]

Yes, I understand that they're suggesting targeting the previous weak cop. How does that expose the inventor or the new weak cop?

It doesn't but is completely wasting the investigate. If scum is knowing the previous cop is being targeted it is leaving the door wide open to

1. Scum killing the previous Cop the same night we are investigating

2. WIFOM mislynches when the previous Cop isn't dying

1. NOOOOOOOO scum killing people we think might be scum! How will we ever cope?
2. fucking what?

[Lying Cat]

Yes, I understand that they're suggesting targeting the previous weak cop. How does that expose the inventor or the new weak cop?

It doesn't but is completely wasting the investigate. If scum is knowing the previous cop is being targeted it is leaving the door wide open to

1. Scum killing the previous Cop the same night we are investigating

2. WIFOM mislynches when the previous Cop isn't dying

1. Okay. So the scum are killing objectively scummy people instead of towny looking people in order to prevent innocents, further narrowing the lynch pool, and confirming everyone farther up the chain as town. I, uh... I don't see a problem with that.

2. What? That's not... Explain what the hell you mean, please.

PEdit: Gerroutta my head, me.

[Lying Cat]

shut up jingle i got this bitch

[Lying Cat]

Stop being mean to me. I'm telling mom on you.